16:03:12 #startmeeting Fedora i3 SIG - 2020-08-11 16:03:12 Meeting started Tue Aug 11 16:03:12 2020 UTC. 16:03:12 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:03:12 The chair is jwf|mozilla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:03:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:03:12 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_i3_sig_-_2020-08-11' 16:03:13 jwf (he/him): Hey Matrix jwf :D 16:03:14 #meetingname i3 16:03:14 The meeting name has been set to 'i3' 16:03:33 #chair nasirhm x3mboy defolos 16:03:33 Current chairs: defolos jwf|mozilla nasirhm x3mboy 16:03:39 Woohoo, jwf (he/him) running the meeting today. :D 16:03:48 .members i3-sig 16:03:48 nasirhm: Members of i3-sig: aegorenk defolos jflory7 nasirhm siddharthvipul1 sumantrom @x3mboy 16:03:49 #topic Roll call 16:03:58 .hello2 16:03:58 .hello jflory7 16:03:58 nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' 16:04:01 jwf|mozilla: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 16:04:02 #chair jwf 16:04:02 Current chairs: defolos jwf jwf|mozilla nasirhm x3mboy 16:04:23 nasirhm oh hah I don't have bandwidth to chair! Just starting off roll call :) 16:04:59 I hope I got the #meetingname right 16:04:59 jwf (he/him): No worries, I have the agenda ready 😁 16:05:15 .hello2 16:05:15 Super 16:05:15 defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' 16:05:27 I am following along from mobile… will be back at desk soon 16:05:50 #topic Agenda 16:05:51 I unfortunately managed to get sick, so please only expect about ~50% brain power 16:05:51 Hey defolos :) 16:06:00 defolos: o/ 16:06:01 Oh no! Hope you feel better soon. 16:06:09 I sure hope that as well 16:06:10 #info (1) Announcements 16:07:27 #info (2) Assessment on the Workstation ks file to look for linux related changes. 16:07:40 #info (3) Follow up on bcotton's response for the Spin proposal ( 16:07:40 https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/11) 16:07:53 #info (4) Our Docs needs some love: https://pagure.io/i3-sig/docs 16:08:04 #info (5) Goals for the next respin to move forward with the proposal 16:08:22 #info (6) Any package ideas for the next respin 16:08:32 #info (7) Open Floor 16:08:41 #topic Announcements 16:10:15 #info i3-4.18.2-1.fc32 Pushed to stable, show your love to defolos with some cookies :D 16:10:27 defolos++ 16:11:08 thanks, but that was really not too hard 😉 16:11:16 #info Our Docs are up now, thanks to jwf and pbokoc. 16:12:17 defolos: Hehehe, Packaging something is not that hard but it's all about the commitment to maintain it. 16:12:38 defolos++ 16:12:43 Looking forward to building up our docs :) 16:13:14 We might even be able to write user-facing "quick docs" over time as we continue growing the SIG 16:13:39 nasirhm very true 16:14:09 Sounds Awesome jwf. 16:14:20 #topic (2) Assessment on the Workstation ks file to look for linux related changes. 16:15:32 Some context to refresh will help… I haven't reviewed the ticket fully yet 16:16:04 Here's the context, I was going through our ks file and found that somethings (EarlyOOM) are not present in our ks but is available on the Workstation. I am thinking to go through the Workstation ks and add linux specific and non-GNOME things in the i3 ks. 16:16:35 jwf (he/him): (I haven't created a ticket about it yet, will create them once we know what needs to be added / fixed.) 16:17:01 I am not super familiar with kickstart files, but isn't it possible to base one on another? 16:17:18 something like inheritance 16:18:13 Interesting idea (We can do it), but basing the i3 one on Workstation ks will really need a lot of cleaning which we've already performed on the XFCE one. 16:19:06 We need to break our ks file into 2 or 3 files and include them in a single one, like we have for other spins 16:20:20 well, it's juts an idea, we don't have to go down that road 16:21:22 How about I assess the workstation ks and find the changes and we can discuss the changes in out next meeting. 16:21:24 ? 16:21:34 sure, sounds good to me 16:22:12 well just have to continously watch out for changes wrt to the workstation ks 16:22:18 #action nasirhm to go through the workstation ks file to find changes and discuss them in next week's meeting. 16:22:47 Hmm, that depends on how we grow and what the users ask us to roll out. 16:23:14 #topic (3) Follow up on bcotton's response for the Spin proposal 16:23:26 #link https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/11 16:23:35 Thought: It might be nice to have the Workstation kickstart that we could rebase on time to time 16:23:41 I could add the idea to a ticket 16:24:21 LGTM :) 16:24:29 s/L/S/ 16:25:31 x3mboy: Do you have any ideas for our next steps for the proposal 16:26:20 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process 16:26:27 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Guidelines 16:28:02 * nasirhm just discovered we have something like `ksvalidator` to validate the ks files. 16:29:30 I think x3mboy is away today, they'll share their ideas once they're back. 16:29:50 #topic (4) Our Docs needs some love. 16:29:52 #link https://pagure.io/i3-sig/docs 16:30:05 jwf++ 16:30:11 pbokoc++ 16:30:34 For now, I think our docs are probably fine. We can think of new content to add as we go 16:30:55 nasirhm: A meeting template/script might help to add there, like the D&I Team has: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/diversity-inclusion/meetings/ 16:31:31 It will make it easier to hand-off meeting chair responsibility, so we can pass it on across meetings so it is not one person all the time :) 16:31:32 jwf: Thank You for the heads up, I'll add the meeting template there. :) 16:31:35 Super 16:31:38 .thank nasirhm 16:31:38 jwf thinks nasirhm is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please also type nasirhm++ since that is what gives them a cookie) 16:31:58 #action nasirhm to add to the meeting template to the i3wm docs. 16:32:08 Hello 16:32:16 give me a minute to go to Matrix 16:32:21 #topic (5) Goals for the next respin to move forward with the proposal 16:32:21 And sorry for the delay 16:32:53 @x3mboy o/ , You're right on time, The previous topic and this one are pretty related. 16:34:09 I was thinking about discussing things on what things we would like to be shipped for the next respin that enables us to start the change proposal ? 16:34:26 Agreed 16:35:03 Also I would like to know if you think the list in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/i3/Brainstorm is already final 16:35:20 If it's final, we can create that list in a docs page 16:35:54 Why? Because a thing I hate about spins and labs in general is that there is no way to know what software is included 16:36:43 The i3-core one looks good to me and can be moved to hte docs. 16:38:13 i3-core is fine by me 16:38:23 We need to choose: 16:38:23 nitrogen or azote 16:38:23 Gedit or mousepad 16:38:28 I think we discussed that one relatively extensively already 16:38:34 I think we decided gedit 16:38:41 But not azote or nitrogen 16:38:51 I will create a ks file with the i3-core along with passing that to Respins SIG and linking Test cases for the appropriate packages. 16:39:11 Can I drop the powerful hammer and choose nitrogen arbitrarily? 16:39:13 I have a question here do we need azote or nitrogen ? 16:39:31 Those are GUIs for changing the background 16:39:47 Since we want to make things easier to end users, I think yes, we need 16:39:51 nitrogen had no upstream activity for well over a year 16:40:01 defolos: 16:40:05 * defolos: really? 16:40:09 Holly! 16:40:20 last commit January 2019 16:40:36 Yep, if that's the case, let's add one of them. I tend to go with the `feh --bg-scale` way (or jwf 's Ansible files way) 16:40:37 I never tried azote, really 16:40:40 Let me check 16:41:00 If it's close to the easy that is nitrogen 16:41:00 I don't even know what they are for, just googled them 16:41:29 And by default after installation LightDM sets the wallpaper. 16:42:01 nasirhm: sure, but we need something to customize it 16:42:16 It's part of the "get your own l&f" 16:42:23 * It's part of the "get your own L&F" 16:42:41 x3mboy: I got the idea, I'm a +1 to add it :) 16:44:35 I think we should go with azote, since it's more modern (features and first) 16:44:51 But BTH it lacks of a couple of features I need 16:45:12 Voting azote or nitrogen, real quick 16:45:15 azote +1 16:45:22 azote +1 16:45:46 azote +1 for first 16:46:10 jwf: ? 16:46:34 volumeicon? 16:47:07 i3status has a volume indicator 16:47:14 Oh, ok 16:47:18 So nevermind 16:47:29 well, it's not clickable 16:47:34 and needs to be configured 16:47:45 But we can configure it 16:48:35 @CarlosRFS you around ? 16:49:37 jwf (he/him): Are you around? 16:49:52 in work meeting sorry 16:49:57 will check in soon 16:50:02 No problem 16:51:21 let's go with azote unless there are major objections or/and compelling reasons not to use it 16:52:47 #agreed addition of azote in i3 ks 16:53:31 any other packages? 16:55:04 not from my side 16:56:03 so addition of azote and then spin proposal? 16:56:16 +1 16:56:20 Not from me 16:58:23 Awesome 16:58:43 #topic (6) Any package ideas for the next respin 16:58:52 Azote it is 16:59:08 #topic (7) Open Floor 16:59:14 Open Floor 16:59:36 I've chatted with adamw and lruzicka about adding i3 respin tests to openqa 16:59:52 I'd like to get started on that, but I need an iso for that 17:00:12 is the latest iso somewhere for grabs? 17:00:12 Sounds interesting, I learnt some Perl to follow your OpenQA tutorials :) 17:00:47 It can take some time, as it depends on respins. 17:00:52 heh, don't get too deep, perl is crazy 🤪 17:01:32 hm, can I either get an old iso or build one myself? 17:01:35 Perl has soo many ways to do the same thing, i always thought it was something Python and JS specific. 17:01:59 I can work on the ks file and share it in an hour and you can build it 17:02:22 python tends to have one obvious way how to do things, perl has about 500 of them and ~450 of those are absolutely unreadable, unless you wrote that line of code yourself 17:03:01 and i will also share it with Respins and will ask them to build the respins ASAP for us to start with OpenQA. 17:03:23 lol, with the readability aspect, can you beat APL ? 17:03:39 hardly 😉 17:04:19 no stressing out over that please, I cannot promise I'll get very far soon, I'm still pretty much under the weather 17:05:15 defolos: No worries, Take your time as I've just had this meeting I'm feeling to work on the ks now :D 17:06:09 #action defolos will be working with QA to initialize OpenQA tests for the i3 spin. 17:06:32 We're over 7 mins today. 17:06:46 * defolos has nothing more on the plate 17:06:46 Does anyone have anything else for Open Floor ? 17:07:08 Sure, I did the Nest presentation 17:07:24 Ah I totally forgot that. 17:07:28 We didn't have too many people or questions, but in general it was good 17:07:44 x3mboy+++++++++ for it. 17:08:07 Once we have the link to the recording I will add the link and close the ticket on Pagure. 17:08:19 The main question was where is the ISO and I mistakenly guide them to the respins 17:08:21 I did saw some questions which you answered. 17:08:46 But then I link them to drive a little later 17:09:10 Drive == Respins as well :) 17:09:25 Hints for next times: have a VM prepared 17:09:38 is there still an iso on google drive? 17:09:43 Also, I still love the template we use, I like that more than the "modern" one 17:09:45 (if yes, link pls) 17:10:09 I did have it and that's the reason we had that slide, but due to internet connection I wasn't able to present. 17:10:18 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zNurY_YOvJkCeCrL593PcjBxa4OKKSFl 17:10:41 It's a little old, but I think that's the last one that was produced 17:10:55 It's a month old 17:11:13 By the way you did an awesome job by also covering the development sections as well. 17:12:40 :D I did my best 17:12:55 Anyone else got anything ? 17:13:38 nope 17:13:52 Did we covered the change proposal? 17:14:22 x3mboy: Change Proposal is in agenda for the next meeting as we would have the ISO and ks ready by that time. :) 17:15:55 Ok, so nothing from my side 17:15:56 :D 17:16:01 I and jwf set this page up for the proposal : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/i3/SpinChangeProposal_Draft 17:16:05 Thanks so much for the awesome work 17:17:15 Welcome, Thank you everyone for helping me learn the ks process especially kk4ewt / Southern_Gentlemen for the ksflatten process and help with Respins. 17:17:59 and x3mboy for the creation of the SIG :) 17:18:06 Good to close ? 17:18:15 Yes! 17:18:26 * defolos nods 17:19:09 #endmeeting