16:01:45 <nasirhm> #startmeeting Fedora i3 (2020-10-13)
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16:02:00 <nasirhm> #meetingname i3
16:02:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i3'
16:02:19 <nasirhm> #chair x3mboy defolos jwf
16:02:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: defolos jwf nasirhm x3mboy
16:02:29 <x3mboy[m]> .hello x3mboy
16:02:30 <zodbot> x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
16:02:31 <nasirhm> #topic Agenda
16:02:42 <nasirhm> #info (1) Roll call / Introductions
16:03:07 <nasirhm> #info (2) Voting gedit vs mousepad
16:03:17 <nasirhm> #info (3) Collaboration with QA team for Test Week
16:03:29 <nasirhm> #info (4) Change Proposal Status
16:03:38 <nasirhm> #info (5) Status of the Kickstart
16:03:46 <nasirhm> #info (6) Open Floor
16:04:02 <nasirhm> #topic Roll call / Introductions
16:04:05 <nasirhm> .hello2
16:04:06 <zodbot> nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' <nasirhussainm14@gmail.com>
16:04:32 <defolos> .hello2
16:04:33 <zodbot> defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' <dan.cermak@cgc-instruments.com>
16:04:42 <jwf> .hello jflory7
16:04:43 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
16:04:56 <x3mboy[m]> .hello x3mboy
16:04:57 <zodbot> x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
16:04:58 <x3mboy[m]> Again
16:04:59 <x3mboy[m]> :D
16:05:10 <nasirhm> Glad to see the whole squad today ^^ :D
16:05:12 <jwf> #chair x3mboy[m]
16:05:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: defolos jwf nasirhm x3mboy x3mboy[m]
16:06:09 <nasirhm> Let's move to the discussion :)
16:06:10 <nasirhm> #topic Voting gedit vs mousepad
16:06:34 <jwf> Is this a quick +1/+0/-1?
16:06:53 <x3mboy[m]> If there isn't any question
16:06:55 <x3mboy[m]> I think so
16:07:20 <nasirhm> #info We initially agree on adding gedit as our Graphical Editor, x3mboy did some research on the Graphical Editors and found mousepad is widely used among i3wm fans in other distros
16:07:25 <jwf> I am +0 since I use neither. But I like Xfce components versus GNOME for i3 environments :)
16:07:31 <jwf> So, maybe +0.5 :P
16:07:42 <nasirhm> #info for Comparison : https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA
16:08:04 * jwf needs to find screenshots
16:08:15 * jwf still hasn't seen pictures of Mousepad
16:08:16 <x3mboy[m]> +1 from me.
16:08:16 <nasirhm> #undo
16:08:16 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by nasirhm at 16:07:42 : for Comparison : https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA
16:08:33 <nasirhm> #info for Comparision: https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA
16:08:56 <nasirhm> #linkhttps://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA
16:09:01 <nasirhm> #link https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA
16:09:20 <defolos> I have also never used mousepad and gedit only a long time ago
16:09:29 <jwf> Eh +1 for me, I trust x3mboy[m] and the SIG's judgment on this :)
16:09:32 <nasirhm> Hmm, So we have 1 (+0), 1 (0.5) and 1 (+1)
16:09:34 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (46KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ipDZwCxnUPZiWCQfOZjCpvNp/image.png >
16:09:46 <defolos> if it comes down to anything then I'd favor mousepad, as it doesn't pull in a whole ton of gnome crap
16:10:40 <nasirhm> I've similar feelings as defolos as it doesn't have many requirements / dependencies and the Installation size is : Package: 335 k
16:10:40 <nasirhm> Installation: 1.4 M
16:10:43 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (66KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WVsgzxSFBQrwnkRjiDvbgxPE/image.png >
16:11:01 <nasirhm> compared to GEdit which has : Package: 2.5 M
16:11:01 <nasirhm> Installation: 14 M
16:11:07 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (79KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YhXqKioCBaVQwQtlNnxflFXF/image.png >
16:11:44 <nasirhm> x3mboy: Thanks for sharing the images.
16:11:55 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (150KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/yjCpscYgmxTvcRyKNgDzfHbV/image.png >
16:12:05 <x3mboy[m]> That's all I have in screenshots
16:12:18 <x3mboy[m]> The last one is the full featured (with toolbar and statusbar)
16:12:20 <nasirhm> So, We have 1 (0) and 2 (+1s), defolos your vote ?
16:13:14 <defolos> +1 on mousepad
16:13:40 <nasirhm> Hmm, So it's 3 (+1s)
16:14:09 <nasirhm> #agreed replace gedit with mousepad
16:14:37 <nasirhm> #action nasirhm to replace gedit with mousepad in the Kickstart
16:14:52 <nasirhm> defolos: Do we need to write OpenQA tests for it too ?
16:15:34 <defolos> We could
16:15:36 <defolos> can you put that down as an action item for me?
16:15:43 <nasirhm> Sure
16:16:07 <nasirhm> #action defolos to write test cases for mousepad in OpenQA.
16:16:46 <nasirhm> defolos: I'll push the change on Git (along with some minor modifications), you can pull from there and build the Image for it.
16:17:21 <defolos> 👍️
16:17:27 <nasirhm> #topic Collaboration with QA team for Test Week
16:18:36 <nasirhm> x3mboy: would you like to provide some context for it ?
16:18:56 <x3mboy[m]> No, I can't
16:19:12 <x3mboy[m]> I just added it because you and defolos  were talking about it
16:19:15 <x3mboy[m]> xD
16:19:41 <nasirhm> Hmm, let me provide some info then ;)
16:20:06 <nasirhm> Hmm, So as most of us know what Test Weeks are.
16:21:15 <nasirhm> The Idea is: We would like to collaborate with the Fedora QA team and organize a Test Week for it and (maybe) provide badges to testers for Testing the Spin and We would gather a good amount of feedback from a wider community for it
16:22:44 <jwf> Shamefully I have never participated in a Test Day
16:23:02 <nasirhm> There are few things that I think we have to the pre-test week:
16:23:02 <nasirhm> - Document Test Cases (Similar to the ones which defolos is working on Automating with OpenQA)
16:23:02 <nasirhm> - Ask Respins SIG to build a Respin and Test the build ourselves and upload that to Fedora People for people to download and Test for the Test Week
16:23:03 <jwf> I would be curious to know what we want people to test in i3 and how we automate it
16:23:05 <jwf> How do we make valuable use cases for testing?
16:23:24 <jwf> Before documenting or asking for respins, we need to know what we are testing :)
16:23:35 <jwf> Maybe it is obvious, but it is not clear to me
16:23:52 <jwf> But I am missing a lot of Fedora QA context here
16:24:14 <jwf> I sort of wish we had sumantrom or siddharthvipul online to give us a direction there
16:24:27 <nasirhm> Good Question jwf , defolos Would you like to add some thing.
16:24:57 <siddharthvipul> I don't have a lot of QA idea (I did internship in that team ~2 years ago :P) but I can ping Sumantro to schedule something
16:25:02 <siddharthvipul> or ask how this is handled
16:25:11 <siddharthvipul> I know Sumantro is the one who handles this
16:25:25 <siddharthvipul> I can schedule a call with him (and invite you all if you prefer)
16:25:27 <jwf> Got it.
16:25:35 <jwf> Mostly just curious, how does one automate a test for a Spin? :D
16:25:45 * jwf does not what is up or what is down when it comes to this stuff
16:25:55 <nasirhm> jwf: With OpenQA :)
16:26:12 <defolos> <jwf "Mostly just curious, how does on"> openQA
16:26:33 <jwf> Do I run a test suite on my local command line? Do I follow steps and check boxes in a web app? Or do I use ABRT in some way?
16:26:40 <jwf> Like, I am really clueless about this :)
16:26:53 <nasirhm> jwf: (Correct me If I am wrong here) What you do is you ask OpenQA to create a VM and test the packages you added or if the wallpaper works fine and stuff.
16:26:57 <defolos> openQA runs without your interaction on openqa.fedoraproject.org
16:27:22 <defolos> manual tests are run by you on your machine or in a vm on your machine
16:27:26 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: Got it, What do we think about the call ?
16:28:10 <defolos> +1 on that
16:28:14 <defolos> I'm pretty much clueless on testdays
16:28:32 <defolos> never really had the spare machines to participate in them
16:29:08 <nasirhm> I did participated in some of them by using QEMU / KVM :)
16:29:45 <nasirhm> It will be a +1 from my side for the call too.
16:29:49 <jwf> Pulled into meeting now, brb
16:30:51 <nasirhm> x3mboy: your thoughts on the call ?
16:32:01 <x3mboy[m]> Sorry, I was back log reading
16:32:35 <x3mboy[m]> Ok, I'm ok to do the test day, but as jwf  stated, we need to know what we are going to test before calling people to test
16:32:52 <x3mboy[m]> And more important is that if the test will be automated
16:33:34 <x3mboy[m]> The test I saw in the past are normally documented as: It boots in VM, It boots in Baremetal, Anaconda detects the disks and stuff like that
16:33:44 <x3mboy[m]> It's not too hard, but needs to be clearly defined
16:35:05 <nasirhm> x3mboy: Hmm, Documenting is an important aspect
16:35:32 <nasirhm> How about discussing `What we would like to Test` in the next meeting and then asking siddharthvipul to organize the call.
16:36:02 <x3mboy[m]> That makes a lot of sense to me
16:36:04 <jwf> We should open a ticket in the Spin Pagure, not sure we will answertoday
16:36:07 <x3mboy[m]> +1
16:36:11 <jwf> We should move async on this so we can move faster
16:36:24 <jwf> I think we are agreed that documentation and testing is important :)
16:36:29 <x3mboy[m]> +1 to that too
16:36:30 <jwf> Let's drive this forward and make it happen
16:36:58 <nasirhm> Hmm
16:37:18 <nasirhm> I think we have 2 Actions for ticket creations, would someone like to volunteer to create them ?
16:38:46 <nasirhm> I'll create them :)
16:39:20 <nasirhm> #action nasirhm to create tickets for Documenting Test Cases and for the Collaboration with the QA Team
16:39:46 <nasirhm> #info Discuss What we would like to Test in the next meeting.
16:40:07 <nasirhm> #topic Change Proposal Status
16:40:38 <nasirhm> jwf++ for working on it
16:41:13 <jwf> I'll follow up in the ticket with more specific questions than "OpenQA whoa what is that" :P
16:41:34 <jwf> Change Proposal, really is blocked on Test Cases. Would like help from SIG on Scope section
16:41:36 <jwf> Otherwise…
16:41:37 <nasirhm> For the How to test part, we can use links to our tests docs and mention them there, what do you think ?
16:41:44 <jwf> I think we can submit by end of Oct / early Nov
16:42:00 * jwf isn't sure what test docs means
16:42:37 <nasirhm> Documentation of What and How to test :)
16:43:18 <jwf> I guessed that part :)
16:43:20 <jwf> I meant a URL
16:43:38 <nasirhm> We don't have that yet as We haven't documented them yet :)
16:43:42 <jwf> Ah OK
16:43:51 <jwf> So we can probably follow that up in the ticket from previous topic
16:44:23 <nasirhm> Yep.
16:44:58 <nasirhm> let's move to the next topic
16:45:16 <nasirhm> #topic Status of the Kickstart
16:46:10 <nasirhm> I did fix the Live Wallpaper issue with feh by adding the feh command in `~/.xsession` and that seems to break the Autologin
16:46:27 <nasirhm> You would have to click on login for logging in and It'll work fine.
16:46:37 <nasirhm> Does anyone have any ideas on what else we cna do ?
16:48:51 <defolos> not immediately
16:49:07 <defolos> afaik i3 somehow picks the "right" background from the login manager
16:49:33 <defolos> at least it does the correct thing on an installed version
16:49:42 <defolos> not sure why it doesn't work in the live one
16:49:48 <defolos> do we have a ticket for this?
16:50:04 * defolos has been largely ignoring emails, sorry about that…
16:50:43 <nasirhm> As I think the wallpaper is being set on the greeter and as we're using autologin (where you don't get the greeter), The wallpaper doesn't get set on live
16:50:55 <nasirhm> Hmm, Tracking it in a ticket would be a good idea
16:51:05 <nasirhm> #action nasirhm to create a ticket for wallpaper issue
16:51:11 * jwf is AFK for a bit sorry
16:51:21 <nasirhm> #topic Open Floor
16:52:29 <nasirhm> It's Open Floor, does anyone have any topics / things to add today
16:53:28 <nasirhm> Ah, I have one thing,
16:53:37 <defolos> gimme ideas what to test with openQA
16:53:45 <defolos> anything i3 or spin specific
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16:55:53 <nasirhm> defolos: Hmm, here are some ideas:
16:55:53 <nasirhm> For Live: The Autologin works fine, Wallpaper works fine.
16:55:53 <nasirhm> Window Manager: Windows are distributed / divided properly, the packages we've add for the spin (will provide the list) are working fine in the Window Manager, The Installer is working fine
16:56:43 <nasirhm> Adding some i3-focused tests would be good, e.g : Different Windowing layouts work fine
16:57:18 <nasirhm> we can gather ideas on it in the Ticket to be created for test cases
16:57:28 <defolos> +1 on that
16:58:04 <nasirhm> To gather ideas for what to test, I'll be creating a HackMD pad and we all enter our ideas there to be discussed in the next meeting.
16:58:27 <nasirhm> #action nasirhm to setup a HackMD pad to gather ideas about what to test.
16:58:41 <nasirhm> Anyone else got anything for the Open Floor ?
16:59:01 <nasirhm> (Nothing from my side)
17:00:10 <defolos> nothing from my side either
17:00:23 <nasirhm> Hmm, so we're good to close
17:00:27 <nasirhm> #endmeeting