16:01:45 #startmeeting Fedora i3 (2020-10-13) 16:01:45 Meeting started Tue Oct 13 16:01:45 2020 UTC. 16:01:45 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:01:45 The chair is nasirhm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:45 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_i3_(2020-10-13)' 16:02:00 #meetingname i3 16:02:00 The meeting name has been set to 'i3' 16:02:19 #chair x3mboy defolos jwf 16:02:19 Current chairs: defolos jwf nasirhm x3mboy 16:02:29 .hello x3mboy 16:02:30 x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 16:02:31 #topic Agenda 16:02:42 #info (1) Roll call / Introductions 16:03:07 #info (2) Voting gedit vs mousepad 16:03:17 #info (3) Collaboration with QA team for Test Week 16:03:29 #info (4) Change Proposal Status 16:03:38 #info (5) Status of the Kickstart 16:03:46 #info (6) Open Floor 16:04:02 #topic Roll call / Introductions 16:04:05 .hello2 16:04:06 nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' 16:04:32 .hello2 16:04:33 defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' 16:04:42 .hello jflory7 16:04:43 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 16:04:56 .hello x3mboy 16:04:57 x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 16:04:58 Again 16:04:59 :D 16:05:10 Glad to see the whole squad today ^^ :D 16:05:12 #chair x3mboy[m] 16:05:12 Current chairs: defolos jwf nasirhm x3mboy x3mboy[m] 16:06:09 Let's move to the discussion :) 16:06:10 #topic Voting gedit vs mousepad 16:06:34 Is this a quick +1/+0/-1? 16:06:53 If there isn't any question 16:06:55 I think so 16:07:20 #info We initially agree on adding gedit as our Graphical Editor, x3mboy did some research on the Graphical Editors and found mousepad is widely used among i3wm fans in other distros 16:07:25 I am +0 since I use neither. But I like Xfce components versus GNOME for i3 environments :) 16:07:31 So, maybe +0.5 :P 16:07:42 #info for Comparison : https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA 16:08:04 * jwf needs to find screenshots 16:08:15 * jwf still hasn't seen pictures of Mousepad 16:08:16 +1 from me. 16:08:16 #undo 16:08:16 Removing item from minutes: INFO by nasirhm at 16:07:42 : for Comparison : https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA 16:08:33 #info for Comparision: https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA 16:08:56 #linkhttps://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA 16:09:01 #link https://hackmd.io/GPLiqIiVSGaZ5-ku90CEwA 16:09:20 I have also never used mousepad and gedit only a long time ago 16:09:29 Eh +1 for me, I trust x3mboy[m] and the SIG's judgment on this :) 16:09:32 Hmm, So we have 1 (+0), 1 (0.5) and 1 (+1) 16:09:34 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (46KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ipDZwCxnUPZiWCQfOZjCpvNp/image.png > 16:09:46 if it comes down to anything then I'd favor mousepad, as it doesn't pull in a whole ton of gnome crap 16:10:40 I've similar feelings as defolos as it doesn't have many requirements / dependencies and the Installation size is : Package: 335 k 16:10:40 Installation: 1.4 M 16:10:43 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (66KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WVsgzxSFBQrwnkRjiDvbgxPE/image.png > 16:11:01 compared to GEdit which has : Package: 2.5 M 16:11:01 Installation: 14 M 16:11:07 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (79KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YhXqKioCBaVQwQtlNnxflFXF/image.png > 16:11:44 x3mboy: Thanks for sharing the images. 16:11:55 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: image.png (150KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/yjCpscYgmxTvcRyKNgDzfHbV/image.png > 16:12:05 That's all I have in screenshots 16:12:18 The last one is the full featured (with toolbar and statusbar) 16:12:20 So, We have 1 (0) and 2 (+1s), defolos your vote ? 16:13:14 +1 on mousepad 16:13:40 Hmm, So it's 3 (+1s) 16:14:09 #agreed replace gedit with mousepad 16:14:37 #action nasirhm to replace gedit with mousepad in the Kickstart 16:14:52 defolos: Do we need to write OpenQA tests for it too ? 16:15:34 We could 16:15:36 can you put that down as an action item for me? 16:15:43 Sure 16:16:07 #action defolos to write test cases for mousepad in OpenQA. 16:16:46 defolos: I'll push the change on Git (along with some minor modifications), you can pull from there and build the Image for it. 16:17:21 👍️ 16:17:27 #topic Collaboration with QA team for Test Week 16:18:36 x3mboy: would you like to provide some context for it ? 16:18:56 No, I can't 16:19:12 I just added it because you and defolos were talking about it 16:19:15 xD 16:19:41 Hmm, let me provide some info then ;) 16:20:06 Hmm, So as most of us know what Test Weeks are. 16:21:15 The Idea is: We would like to collaborate with the Fedora QA team and organize a Test Week for it and (maybe) provide badges to testers for Testing the Spin and We would gather a good amount of feedback from a wider community for it 16:22:44 Shamefully I have never participated in a Test Day 16:23:02 There are few things that I think we have to the pre-test week: 16:23:02 - Document Test Cases (Similar to the ones which defolos is working on Automating with OpenQA) 16:23:02 - Ask Respins SIG to build a Respin and Test the build ourselves and upload that to Fedora People for people to download and Test for the Test Week 16:23:03 I would be curious to know what we want people to test in i3 and how we automate it 16:23:05 How do we make valuable use cases for testing? 16:23:24 Before documenting or asking for respins, we need to know what we are testing :) 16:23:35 Maybe it is obvious, but it is not clear to me 16:23:52 But I am missing a lot of Fedora QA context here 16:24:14 I sort of wish we had sumantrom or siddharthvipul online to give us a direction there 16:24:27 Good Question jwf , defolos Would you like to add some thing. 16:24:57 I don't have a lot of QA idea (I did internship in that team ~2 years ago :P) but I can ping Sumantro to schedule something 16:25:02 or ask how this is handled 16:25:11 I know Sumantro is the one who handles this 16:25:25 I can schedule a call with him (and invite you all if you prefer) 16:25:27 Got it. 16:25:35 Mostly just curious, how does one automate a test for a Spin? :D 16:25:45 * jwf does not what is up or what is down when it comes to this stuff 16:25:55 jwf: With OpenQA :) 16:26:12 openQA 16:26:33 Do I run a test suite on my local command line? Do I follow steps and check boxes in a web app? Or do I use ABRT in some way? 16:26:40 Like, I am really clueless about this :) 16:26:53 jwf: (Correct me If I am wrong here) What you do is you ask OpenQA to create a VM and test the packages you added or if the wallpaper works fine and stuff. 16:26:57 openQA runs without your interaction on openqa.fedoraproject.org 16:27:22 manual tests are run by you on your machine or in a vm on your machine 16:27:26 siddharthvipul: Got it, What do we think about the call ? 16:28:10 +1 on that 16:28:14 I'm pretty much clueless on testdays 16:28:32 never really had the spare machines to participate in them 16:29:08 I did participated in some of them by using QEMU / KVM :) 16:29:45 It will be a +1 from my side for the call too. 16:29:49 Pulled into meeting now, brb 16:30:51 x3mboy: your thoughts on the call ? 16:32:01 Sorry, I was back log reading 16:32:35 Ok, I'm ok to do the test day, but as jwf stated, we need to know what we are going to test before calling people to test 16:32:52 And more important is that if the test will be automated 16:33:34 The test I saw in the past are normally documented as: It boots in VM, It boots in Baremetal, Anaconda detects the disks and stuff like that 16:33:44 It's not too hard, but needs to be clearly defined 16:35:05 x3mboy: Hmm, Documenting is an important aspect 16:35:32 How about discussing `What we would like to Test` in the next meeting and then asking siddharthvipul to organize the call. 16:36:02 That makes a lot of sense to me 16:36:04 We should open a ticket in the Spin Pagure, not sure we will answertoday 16:36:07 +1 16:36:11 We should move async on this so we can move faster 16:36:24 I think we are agreed that documentation and testing is important :) 16:36:29 +1 to that too 16:36:30 Let's drive this forward and make it happen 16:36:58 Hmm 16:37:18 I think we have 2 Actions for ticket creations, would someone like to volunteer to create them ? 16:38:46 I'll create them :) 16:39:20 #action nasirhm to create tickets for Documenting Test Cases and for the Collaboration with the QA Team 16:39:46 #info Discuss What we would like to Test in the next meeting. 16:40:07 #topic Change Proposal Status 16:40:38 jwf++ for working on it 16:41:13 I'll follow up in the ticket with more specific questions than "OpenQA whoa what is that" :P 16:41:34 Change Proposal, really is blocked on Test Cases. Would like help from SIG on Scope section 16:41:36 Otherwise… 16:41:37 For the How to test part, we can use links to our tests docs and mention them there, what do you think ? 16:41:44 I think we can submit by end of Oct / early Nov 16:42:00 * jwf isn't sure what test docs means 16:42:37 Documentation of What and How to test :) 16:43:18 I guessed that part :) 16:43:20 I meant a URL 16:43:38 We don't have that yet as We haven't documented them yet :) 16:43:42 Ah OK 16:43:51 So we can probably follow that up in the ticket from previous topic 16:44:23 Yep. 16:44:58 let's move to the next topic 16:45:16 #topic Status of the Kickstart 16:46:10 I did fix the Live Wallpaper issue with feh by adding the feh command in `~/.xsession` and that seems to break the Autologin 16:46:27 You would have to click on login for logging in and It'll work fine. 16:46:37 Does anyone have any ideas on what else we cna do ? 16:48:51 not immediately 16:49:07 afaik i3 somehow picks the "right" background from the login manager 16:49:33 at least it does the correct thing on an installed version 16:49:42 not sure why it doesn't work in the live one 16:49:48 do we have a ticket for this? 16:50:04 * defolos has been largely ignoring emails, sorry about that… 16:50:43 As I think the wallpaper is being set on the greeter and as we're using autologin (where you don't get the greeter), The wallpaper doesn't get set on live 16:50:55 Hmm, Tracking it in a ticket would be a good idea 16:51:05 #action nasirhm to create a ticket for wallpaper issue 16:51:11 * jwf is AFK for a bit sorry 16:51:21 #topic Open Floor 16:52:29 It's Open Floor, does anyone have any topics / things to add today 16:53:28 Ah, I have one thing, 16:53:37 gimme ideas what to test with openQA 16:53:45 anything i3 or spin specific 16:54:19 #info Fedora Women's Day is this Weekend: October 16th, 17th, & 18th on Hopin, Register now: https://hopin.to/events/fedora-women-s-day/register 16:55:53 defolos: Hmm, here are some ideas: 16:55:53 For Live: The Autologin works fine, Wallpaper works fine. 16:55:53 Window Manager: Windows are distributed / divided properly, the packages we've add for the spin (will provide the list) are working fine in the Window Manager, The Installer is working fine 16:56:43 Adding some i3-focused tests would be good, e.g : Different Windowing layouts work fine 16:57:18 we can gather ideas on it in the Ticket to be created for test cases 16:57:28 +1 on that 16:58:04 To gather ideas for what to test, I'll be creating a HackMD pad and we all enter our ideas there to be discussed in the next meeting. 16:58:27 #action nasirhm to setup a HackMD pad to gather ideas about what to test. 16:58:41 Anyone else got anything for the Open Floor ? 16:59:01 (Nothing from my side) 17:00:10 nothing from my side either 17:00:23 Hmm, so we're good to close 17:00:27 #endmeeting