16:01:51 #startmeeting 2020-11-03 - Fedora i3 SIG monthly IRC meeting 16:01:51 Meeting started Tue Nov 3 16:01:51 2020 UTC. 16:01:51 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:01:51 The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:51 The meeting name has been set to '2020-11-03_-_fedora_i3_sig_monthly_irc_meeting' 16:01:54 #meetingname i3 16:01:54 The meeting name has been set to 'i3' 16:01:56 Great, IRC it is then 16:02:02 #topic Roll call / introductions 16:02:06 It's meeting inside a meeting. 16:02:08 .hello jflory7 16:02:09 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 16:02:22 .hello2 16:02:23 defolos: defolos 'Dan Čermák' 16:02:24 .hello2 16:02:27 nasirhm: nasirhm 'Nasir Hussain' 16:02:31 #chair nasirhm x3mboy defolos 16:02:31 Current chairs: defolos jwf nasirhm x3mboy 16:02:37 It seems the past meeting isn't closed yet. 16:02:40 (the test one.) 16:02:47 .hello2 16:02:47 Oh, it closed for me? 16:02:47 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 16:02:55 Maybe the Matrix topic is not updating. 16:03:13 It's so coll that I can use .hello2 on matrix 16:03:14 :D 16:03:18 It might be an IRC/Matrix issue 16:03:21 x3mboy: :D 16:03:30 Hmm, I just saw it's closed 16:03:34 x3mboy: :D 16:03:45 So, looks like we have quorum for today! 16:03:58 Since most of the SIG is here, let's go ahead and press on. 16:03:58 #link https://hackmd.io/KR5H5dsES72PzxfCpOelsA 16:04:03 Oh right! 16:04:05 meeting Agenda 16:04:14 x3mboy++ 16:04:14 jwf: Karma for x3mboy changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:04:46 Argh, I am having HackMd connection issues. It keeps telling me I am offline and I cannot view the pad 16:04:55 Do we have a copy on pastebin/etherpad or somewhere else? 16:05:15 I can take a lead with chairing today :) 16:05:23 HackMd always gives me trouble :( 16:05:27 #topic How to add xhost command to avoid race condition 16:05:36 nasirhm: Sure, I'll pass over to you 16:05:36 I want to make a super important pre-topic 16:05:41 Before the ropic 16:05:44 * Before the topic 16:05:55 x3mboy: We're in the topic, please feel free to change :) 16:06:12 #topic F33 ISO urgently needed 16:06:39 F33 is in its 2nd week out and we still don't have a working ISO with F33 16:06:49 People has been asking me about 16:07:01 Do we have a ticket for it? 16:07:08 Nope 16:07:09 This one? https://pagure.io/i3-sig/Fedora-i3-Spin/issue/18 16:07:11 Ah 16:07:13 I'll get it done :) 16:07:15 I just bring the topit to the meeting 16:07:23 * I just bring the topic to the meeting 16:07:25 x3mboy: Is there an action for the SIG? 16:07:30 Or a way we can help get that done 16:07:45 I think that while we aren't and official spin, ys 16:07:47 * I think that while we aren't and official spin, yes 16:07:48 * jwf assumed for ISOs, we would leverage Fedora buildsystem infra for regularly producing builds 16:07:55 issue 18 is not a problem on f33 16:07:58 I did not know we were targeting F33 since it already released 16:08:00 it's on f34 only 16:08:03 We need to trigger the creation with southern 16:08:05 #action nasirhm to build the Kickstarts for F33 and ask respins to build it 16:08:08 defolos: Thanks for clarifying! 16:08:25 I have been running openqa tests on f33 and they work like a charm (mostly) 16:08:32 defolos: Awesome. 16:08:41 they are broken on f34 though due to the autologin issue 16:08:44 Is there a bug / is F33 ISO broken in any way? Or it just needs to be built? 16:08:47 Once we are accepted as a formal spin, we will enter respins without any issue, it wil be automagically 16:08:54 afaik it just needs to get build 16:09:10 defolos: Yep, Didn't face any issue myself. 16:09:16 Got it 16:09:21 Let's move to the topics now. 16:09:26 Is this something we need to do right now? I feel like we have a lot on our plate. 16:09:30 nasirhm: Hold on a sec 16:09:58 jwf: Sure, jwf, It's not a biggie, need to update the release version from F32 to F33 on the ks :) 16:09:59 I am not sure what the value in working on F33 builds is, when we still have a decent amount of work for F34 to get our Change proposal out 16:10:24 * jwf thinks it will be better if we can target Rawhide / F34 branched once available 16:10:25 publicity? 16:10:55 jwf: testing ? 16:11:05 Ok, move to next topic then 16:11:48 Publicity is nice, but I feel like we still have a lot to organize and prepare before we make big waves 16:12:03 Testing would be a good point to take care of. Once we build fine for F33, we can base it on Rawhide too. 16:12:06 We need time to scale up our SIG :) 16:12:51 ya'll just need to stop sleeping and the scaling problem is gone 😛 16:13:09 jwf: Hmm, Do we have ideas on how to scale ? 16:13:46 make more noise about it on twitter, reddit, telegram and the fedora magazine 16:13:54 and mastodon 16:14:06 wherever our target audience hangs out 16:14:30 Oh do we have time to sleep? THat would be appreciated :D 16:14:31 if I become a sponsor (which it currently looks like), then I should be also able to onboard interested packagers 16:14:48 Like me 16:14:56 But let's get on topic again 16:15:00 yes 16:15:34 We can get some noise from unixp and fedora subreddit 16:15:38 What are these messages? 16:15:51 Sure, Currently in our repo, we have 2 repo ks files, one's for Rawhide and the second one is non-Rawhide. 16:15:59 Let's get to topics now. 16:16:09 #topic How to add xhost command to avoid race condition 16:16:12 The by-weekly SIG meeting going on on IRC 16:16:33 x3mboy++ for working on it. 16:16:44 x3mboy: would you like to provide some context on it. 16:16:50 Well, I was curious 16:17:36 Ok, I talked with anaconda guys and they helped me to debug the issue 16:17:56 And after some research I found that there is a X11 issue with permissions 16:19:07 Well, I can't find the document again 16:19:48 x3mboy: Was it this one : https://www.computerhope.com/unix/xhost.htm 16:21:16 #link http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-tip-graphical-apps-doesnt-launch-via-root-sudo-gksu/ 16:21:59 And this 16:22:04 so we add this xhost package and that's it? 16:22:04 #link https://askubuntu.com/questions/877820/what-are-xhost-and-xhost-si/8778 16:22:32 The package is there, because is part of xorg 16:22:44 defolos: The xhost is in X11 Xorg package. 16:23:23 x3mboy: Please share the proposed solution 16:23:49 We need to add the command `xhost si:localuser:root` to allow root to access the display 16:24:02 are we all agreed with it ? 16:24:12 #proposed We need to add the command xhost si:localuser:root to allow root to access the display 16:24:32 .members i3-sig 16:24:32 nasirhm: Members of i3-sig: aegorenk +defolos +jflory7 ludwigd +nasirhm odilhao siddharthvipul1 sumantrom @x3mboy 16:24:38 where do we need to add that command? 16:24:47 Do we need to vote on this? 16:24:49 At startup 16:24:53 It is a bugfix, right? 16:24:56 +1 for fixing bugs :) 16:25:01 It's a bugfix 16:25:07 Yeah I don't think we need to vote on this 16:25:09 Just do it :D 16:25:17 I think we shouldn't vote but notify 16:25:23 Gotcha 16:25:26 should be ok 16:25:27 Anything left to cover for this topic? 16:25:31 To let people know what we are doing 16:25:33 Maybe an #action? 16:25:34 Nope 16:25:37 Nope, We're agreed. 16:25:48 cool, let's move forward then 16:25:51 Well, action @nasirhm 16:25:55 #agreed To add the command xhost si:localuser:root to allow root to access the display 16:26:08 #action nasirhm To add the command xhost si:localuser:root to allow root to access the display 16:26:17 Done, Let's move forward now :) 16:26:25 #topic Fedora i3 Kickstart Status 16:26:54 It's mine, The Kickstart's working well and we've got all the packages there 16:27:04 The Kickstart is splitted. 16:27:12 and there's a flat one too. 16:27:39 That's all on the ks from my side, does anyone have any questions for the ks. 16:27:46 Yes 16:27:53 Please ask 16:28:07 If I have all the ks in my machine, can I create an ISO? 16:28:19 Or do we need some of the Fedora Infra magic to created it correctly 16:28:19 Yeah, you can do it :) 16:28:33 Nope, Locally would work fine too. 16:28:46 Odilhao will create a PR on how to build it locally. 16:28:58 (tomorrow) 16:29:05 Cool! 16:29:11 eom 16:29:22 Let's move to next topic 16:29:34 #topic Echo "To install type liveinst" on Terminal 16:29:40 +1 16:29:54 We agreed on adding to show To install type liveinst on the terminal 16:30:19 It'll be in the PR after the meeting. :) 16:30:52 or the user can run it via dmenu 16:30:56 how do you want to show it? 16:31:32 It's be on the first line, everytime user opens a terminal (urxvt) 16:31:49 so in /etc/motd? 16:31:57 Nope, ~/.bashrc for live user. 16:32:05 👌 16:32:06 In /etc/profile ? 16:32:17 Oh for the live user 16:32:18 It makes more sense 16:32:28 :) 16:32:35 yep, good idea! 16:32:37 let's do that 16:32:54 #action nasirhm to create a PR with the echo to install changes 16:32:57 Let's move to the next topic. 16:33:08 #topic Document Testcases 16:33:31 I guess this one is on me 16:33:40 Yep :) 16:33:58 and I've been slacking a bit (plus I was on vacation last week before the country went to lockdown again) 16:34:29 I'll identify all the pieces that are pretty nasty to test with openqa and put them into the wiki 16:34:39 plus all the stuff openQA will be testing as well 16:34:50 but that is less important 16:34:59 bashrc for the live user is a clever idea 16:35:18 defolos: please go for the docs one as they would be more accesible than the wiki. 16:35:40 jwf: we set the Background with feh and the command is in `~/.profile` for liveuser :D 16:35:50 That hurts my wiki maintainer heart a little bit 16:36:14 x3mboy: My Sincere Apologies :) 16:36:43 sure, I'll put it somewhere 16:37:02 Awesome 16:37:15 #action defolos to document testcases in the docs. 16:37:23 Let's move to Next topic 16:37:32 #action Status of OpenQA 16:37:40 defolos: it's your topic again. 16:38:18 I got most of the standard workstation test ported to the spin 16:38:33 🎉 16:38:54 currently still failing: desktop printing, for some reason cups-pdf does not show up in mousepad, no idea why, need to debug this further 16:39:11 and desktop_login is failing, because that tries to do multi-user stuff 16:39:29 Hmm, could be a mousepad issue, or you could use FIrefox for the pdf. 16:39:55 Multiuser should work fine, any ideas on why it's failing ? 16:39:57 it could be, as I said, I need to debug this a bit further 16:40:08 Sure :) 16:40:18 It's a test issue, nothing wrong with the spin 16:40:35 the test simply expects to be running on kde or gnome and not on i3 16:40:36 Ah, sounds good. :) 16:40:37 so a lot of things are different 16:40:47 and openQA is not always suuper debugging friendly… 16:41:15 Thank You for working on it :) ^^ 16:41:47 yeah and the elephant in the room is actual i3 tests 16:41:52 haven't written any of those 16:41:56 defolos++ Awesome work on porting the Fedora WS tests :) 16:41:56 jwf: Karma for defolos changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:42:00 I broke my element interface 16:42:02 Again 16:42:13 Let's move to the last topic 16:42:13 defolos++ 16:42:13 x3mboy: Karma for defolos changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:42:33 (Second Last) 16:42:39 We've got to be quick 16:42:45 #topic Additional packages likes i3lock-color 16:43:01 defolos: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=140987 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/147551 ;maybe that helps 16:43:04 x3mboy: are you working on packaging it ? 16:43:30 thanks, I'll take a look 16:44:40 yeah, so about the additional packages: I can review any package requests and maybe even sponsor people into the packaging group 16:44:54 that was mostly what I wanted to say about that 16:45:53 I tried packaging `i3lock-color` earlier, it's straightforward by copying the specfile of `i3lock` and adding some new dependencies. 16:46:00 defolos++ 16:46:00 nasirhm: Karma for defolos changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:46:12 nasirhm: I want, I think that will be my first package 16:46:21 x3mboy: Nice :) 16:46:22 After my first help with rofi 16:46:27 x3mboy: Awesome :) 16:46:35 x3mboy: sounds good 16:46:45 x3mboy: Rofi is currently Packaged for fedora. 16:46:50 ping me once you have a working spec file and I'll take a look 16:47:14 and then file a review request, hopefully I can then sponsor you 16:47:28 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/rofi 16:47:28 yes, and guess who's the maintainer 😛 16:47:48 Just saw its no other but our very own defolos 16:47:58 defolos++ 16:48:26 Yes, that's why I asked him to help 16:48:26 till orphaned it and I still use it 16:48:31 And learn about it 16:48:39 It was orphaned like 3 days ago or something 16:48:47 x3mboy++ :) 16:48:54 I follow the devel ML 16:48:57 :D 16:49:01 Just for fun 16:49:01 I'm a dmenu user :D 16:49:23 I'm a Rofi user, even in cinnamon I use rofi instead of cinnamon-menu 16:49:36 .whoowns rofi 16:49:37 jwf: owner: defolos 16:49:39 x3mboy: Sounds like a real rofi fan :) 16:49:41 :D 16:50:07 Hmm, Best of Luck x3mboy on working on packaging. 16:50:17 .whoowns i3lock 16:50:18 jwf: owner: defolos; admin: cicku, fale, gchamoul, lupinix 16:50:25 lolol, defolos again 16:50:44 It's defolos everywhere with i3 wm packages. 16:50:53 x3mboy could own the i3lock-color package, and we could probably add the SIG as admin so we could push commits / make PRs as needed 16:51:09 Sounds Awesome. 16:51:21 Let's move to the next topic 16:51:24 #topic #topic Present the spin at devconf 2021 16:51:28 #undo 16:51:28 Removing item from minutes: 16:51:31 #topic Present the spin at devconf 2021 16:52:02 The Deadline for CFP is 6th. 16:52:06 Oh this is a good idea! But didn't the CFP just close? 16:52:08 Ahh 16:52:16 nope, we have until friday 16:52:23 The CFP extended. 16:52:28 Nice 16:52:37 question is do we want to do this and who wants to present this thing? 16:52:46 and if yes we have to hurry 16:52:49 I and x3mboy presented it at flock, we can reuse the same information 16:52:55 Even tho it is virtual, I feel obligated to give defolos the opportunity to own this first since it is a CZ conference :D 16:53:13 it's a yes from me, and I would love to present among someone from the SIG. 16:53:20 But yeah, reusing and adapting the Nest presentation is a good idea 16:54:25 I feel the same way as jwf for defolos to present. 16:54:38 But no pressure if you have a lot on your plate 16:54:57 Just felt like it was necessary since it is a Czech event, and I am 100% not Czech :P 16:55:11 Yep, No pressure. (only if you're free) 16:55:12 (I know it is an English-speaking conference) 16:55:34 I'll take a look if I can find a good fit for it at the conference 16:55:53 are the nest presentation slides somewhere? 16:56:03 Awesome, I can share the proposal in DM and we can modify it for DevConf. 16:56:17 I have them 16:56:21 x3mboy: had them. 16:56:46 Also I have an Spnish adaptation, let me upload them somewhere and I will share the link here 16:57:16 👍️ 16:57:37 Awesome 16:57:45 Do you have any preference on share? 16:57:45 so we're set on that topic 16:57:51 Or can I use whatever? 16:58:00 whatever works for you 16:58:07 Ok 16:58:20 #action x3mboy to share the presentation. 16:58:22 and is accessible via firefox without requiring to get 3 billion different accounts 16:58:34 #action nasirhm to share the proposal text of Nest. 16:59:05 #action defolos to apply to devconf.cz CFP for a talk in Fedora Category. 16:59:55 I would like to co-present with you defolos , does that work for you ? 17:00:08 sure 17:00:18 we can figure out how to do that once the talk gets accepted 17:00:41 #action nasirhm to co-present, defolos would have to add nasirhm in the proposal for co-presenting. 17:01:11 On the CFP site, once you would create the proposal, you would find an option to add co-speakers :) 17:01:17 So many action items :D 17:01:28 Thank You everyone for joining. 17:01:34 #topic Open Floor 17:01:49 Anyone got any topics for Open Floor ? 17:01:59 (Nothing from my side.) 17:02:07 yes, please test this: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-9eb5873e45 17:02:15 defolos: https://x3mboy.fedorapeople.org/i3Slides/ 17:02:20 Found 17:02:23 x3mboy: That was fast :D 17:02:24 and this: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-4f65d391a6 17:02:36 I have a docs PR coming soon, FYI :) 17:02:39 thanks! 17:02:47 x3mboy++ 17:02:47 defolos: Karma for x3mboy changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:02:49 I had 2 request in the i3-sig FAS group 17:02:50 Excited :D 17:02:55 But I don't know them 17:03:03 Can anyone check? 17:03:05 I saw them too. 17:03:09 I also make you sponsors 17:03:14 made* 17:03:36 x3mboy: Thanks for making sponsors. :) 17:03:58 nabarun and tenshou170 are sking to join, but never saw them 17:04:13 I think I would decline them, if no one have objections 17:04:23 same here, never saw them too :) 17:04:26 yeah, unless they introduce themselves, I would object to just adding random people 17:04:38 but maybe we should document how you can join 17:04:42 I think, I once saw tenshou170 in test list. 17:04:44 and what our requirements are 17:04:56 Hmm, Documenting that would be a great idea. 17:05:10 Done 17:05:16 https://pagure.io/i3-sig/docs/pull-request/8 17:05:18 Removed 17:05:41 We require to show up and present themselves 17:05:42 jwf++ 17:05:42 nasirhm: Karma for jflory7 changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:05:44 That's all 17:05:44 x3mboy: I suggest disabling the permission to let people freely join the FAS group 17:06:04 I have never found that useful, just overwhelming and then you have to reject someone who might think this is what you need to do to get started 17:06:05 +1 on that 17:06:13 +1 on that 17:06:25 To invite only? 17:06:26 Feel free to make me a FAS group admin and I can clean up our FAS group profile 17:06:32 Because now is sponsored 17:06:42 Invite only is right, I think 17:06:46 I forget what the checkbox is in FAS 17:06:49 Anyone can request but we need to approve 17:06:58 I suggest turning that off 17:07:12 A SIG member should sponsor, nobody should request because it is a black hole :P 17:07:14 I would be a +1 to turn that off. 17:07:32 Sure 17:07:38 +1 to that to 17:08:17 #agreed remove freely ask to join to the sig 17:08:24 #agree remove freely ask to join to the sig 17:08:31 I always forgot that command 17:08:43 I think both aliases work! I actually forget too… 17:09:01 That's it for today 17:09:05 Thanks all for coming 17:09:20 #endmeeting