16:38:50 <kk4ewt> #startmeeting i3 Sig 16:38:50 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 16 16:38:50 2020 UTC. 16:38:50 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:38:50 <zodbot> The chair is kk4ewt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:38:50 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:38:50 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i3_sig' 16:39:05 <kk4ewt> @chair Defolos x3mboy[m]11 16:39:57 <kk4ewt> nasirhm has been working on kickstarts and has sent those to the Respins Sig 16:40:48 <kk4ewt> the Respins Sig included the i3LXDE and i3XFCE isos in the updated F32-20200615 set so people can test and offer updates 16:41:32 <Defolos> hm, on that topic, what does i3LXDE and i3XFCE mean here? 16:41:45 <kk4ewt> those isos can be found at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins 16:41:58 <kk4ewt> i3 with that DE 16:42:57 * Defolos never knew you'd need a DE for i3… 16:43:03 <Defolos> I ain't using one 16:43:26 <kk4ewt> you dont but if you use one more people will be happier seems to be the thoughts 16:43:46 <kk4ewt> but this is a learning experience so one step at a time 16:44:06 <kk4ewt> Defolos; first get people to try it 16:44:29 <Defolos> #halp 16:44:39 <Defolos> #help 16:44:47 <Defolos> hm… 16:45:12 <Defolos> kk4ewt: I think zodbot doesn't see me as the chair 16:46:36 <kk4ewt> #chair Defolos 16:46:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt 16:46:45 <kk4ewt> #chair x3mboy[m]11 16:46:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt x3mboy[m]11 16:46:58 * nasirhm waves 16:47:00 <kk4ewt> says you are a chair 16:47:12 * siddharthvipul is sleepy 16:47:17 <siddharthvipul> how is going y'all 16:47:22 <kk4ewt> #chair siddharthvipul 16:47:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt siddharthvipul x3mboy[m]11 16:47:38 <Defolos> I slept like 4 hours tonight, I'm really done… 16:47:52 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul; well we have isos so that is a good step 16:48:01 <nasirhm> <Defolos "I'd like to write openQA tests f"> I would like to give a hand with OpenQA tests if you would like 16:48:10 <siddharthvipul> kk4ewt: brilliant, I have been noticing the discussion.. 16:48:15 <siddharthvipul> thank you nasirhm and kk4ewt 16:48:16 <Defolos> nasirhm: have you ever worked with openQA? 16:48:21 <kk4ewt> nasirhm++ 16:48:59 <siddharthvipul> I remember working with Taskatron back in my Fedora QA internship days 16:48:59 <nasirhm> Defolos: Didn't have much of iteraction with OpenQA tests but i do know how things work there. 16:49:10 <siddharthvipul> wondering if use of OpenQA is increased in the team 16:49:13 <nasirhm> <siddharthvipul "thank you nasirhm and kk4ewt"> Welcome :) 16:49:38 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul; taskatron is dead 16:49:57 <siddharthvipul> kk4ewt: I know :) I am in Fedora Infra (or CPE team) now... so aware of it 16:49:59 <nasirhm> Sorry for arriving late, I didn't mark it the calendar and today it was a day full of meetings, was jumping from one to another : 16:50:19 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: all good (hiding behind you for being late as well :P) 16:50:22 * kk4ewt i am in a zoom session as well 16:50:41 <kk4ewt> today is a WFH Day 16:51:02 * Defolos is WFH for the past 3 months 16:51:04 * nasirhm is missing his office now. 16:51:20 * nasirhm is in similar situation as Defolos. 16:51:35 <nasirhm> So Guys, Let's start with the meeting now. 16:52:03 <kk4ewt> nasirhm; already running 16:52:10 <kk4ewt> #chair nasirhm 16:52:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt nasirhm siddharthvipul x3mboy[m]11 16:52:43 <nasirhm> So I guess, you guys know about the LXDE & XFCE spin with i3 16:53:05 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: no 16:53:20 <kk4ewt> *** F32-20200615 updated lives available: https://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2 Built by the Fedora Respin Sig more info #fedora-respins *** 16:53:31 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul; ^^ 16:54:05 <kk4ewt> and my blog post is on the planet.fedoraproject.org 16:54:06 <siddharthvipul> kk4ewt: thank you 16:54:10 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: With the awesome help from kk4ewt , I was able to create 2 spins with LXDE and XFCE as the DE and once you install Fedora by Anaconda. and after restarting you would find i3 in to DE/WM selector 16:54:41 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: I see.. was there any reason to do it with other DE? just curious 16:55:00 <Defolos> I think to get a better initial UX 16:55:08 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul; step one 16:55:17 * siddharthvipul nods 16:55:32 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: After a discussion here with kk4ewt I find that it would be much easir to build it upon other DEs and remove stuff one step at a time. 16:56:15 <nasirhm> I would work on it afterwards today to remove the specific DE's packages after installation with post-installation scripts. 16:57:13 <siddharthvipul> fair 16:57:22 <Defolos> nasirhm: wouldn't it be better to not install them at all? 16:57:23 <siddharthvipul> thank you both.. sorry to be useless here :) 16:57:33 <siddharthvipul> I promise I will be helpful "one day" :P 16:57:35 <x3mboy[m]11> What are we talking about? 16:57:36 <kk4ewt> nasirhm; i really think we need find the file that gets changed and set that in the ks first 16:57:47 <Defolos> x3mboy[m]11: the spin isos that nasirhm and kk4ewt created 16:57:57 <x3mboy[m]11> Oh, I downloaded both 16:58:11 <x3mboy[m]11> I need to learn how to run QA matrix over them 16:58:20 <nasirhm> <kk4ewt "nasirhm; i really think we need"> Hmm, I would work on it then. 16:58:27 <Defolos> x3mboy[m]11: which QA matrix? 16:58:33 <x3mboy[m]11> I have something to discuss, after the discussion is over 16:58:51 <kk4ewt> if we can get the live running i3 as the live i think you show off more of what i3 does 16:59:18 <kk4ewt> even with another DE 16:59:28 <nasirhm> kk4ewt: That's what's our goal is. 17:00:07 <nasirhm> (As far as i think of it.) 17:01:18 <nasirhm> <kk4ewt "if we can get the live running i"> One issue here is we don't have the icons in i3 like in other DE's 17:01:29 <kk4ewt> #topic next steps 17:01:52 <Defolos> could everyone write down what they expect on the spin to work? 17:02:24 <Defolos> can be high level stuff like: I can select i3 in the DE selection 17:02:26 * nasirhm would be working on finding the file that changes when DE's and WM's are added. 17:02:35 <kk4ewt> or test the current spin and suggest what they would like to see 17:02:45 <nasirhm> kk4ewt++ 17:02:46 <Defolos> or "low-level" like: if I press enter, then a terminal should open 17:03:08 <Defolos> I would try to convert these to openQA tests overtime 17:03:31 <siddharthvipul> Defolos: isn't that the default i3 command? mod+enter open terminal? 17:03:49 <siddharthvipul> configurable in config 17:03:57 <nasirhm> After you install i3, it asks you to select the $mod key 17:04:04 <siddharthvipul> yep 17:04:30 <Defolos> siddharthvipul: I was just using that as an example 17:04:40 <nasirhm> That is the case currently as well. 17:05:08 <x3mboy[m]11> <siddharthvipul "Defolos: isn't that the default "> That's de default in i3 17:05:17 <x3mboy[m]11> > <@freenode_siddharthvipul:matrix.org> Defolos: isn't that the default i3 command? mod+enter open terminal? 17:05:17 <x3mboy[m]11> * That's the default in i3 17:06:09 <Defolos> my point is just: when you test the spin, write down what you do and what you expect to work 17:06:14 <x3mboy[m]11> <Defolos "x3mboy: which QA matrix?"> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Desktop_test_matrix 17:06:23 <siddharthvipul> Defolos: sure 17:06:53 <nasirhm> <Defolos "my point is just: when you test "> I want it to install functional & minimal fedora. 17:07:40 <nasirhm> with i3 as a WM (I thinl this one's obvious.) 17:07:44 <x3mboy[m]11> That's too broad to what Defolos is saying 17:07:59 <x3mboy[m]11> That's why test cases exists 17:07:59 <x3mboy[m]11> :D 17:08:07 <Defolos> yes 17:08:15 <Defolos> it has to be a wee bit more specific ;-) 17:08:35 <Defolos> I can't tell openQA: run the installer and check that it is minimal 17:09:45 <nasirhm> <Defolos "I can't tell openQA: run the ins"> How about telling openQA: these are the only packages that are needed. 17:10:07 <Defolos> nasirhm: that's certainly an option 17:10:19 <Defolos> but I'm afraid that will just break very frequently 17:10:28 <kk4ewt> #topic openqa 17:10:45 <Defolos> because the spin will be based on something else and if dependencies change, then your package set changes 17:10:58 <Defolos> and the tests fail because you suddenly have libfoo on the system as well 17:11:35 <kk4ewt> i suggest talking to -QA and see how they are testing gnome and kde 17:11:46 <nasirhm> I agree. 17:11:52 <Defolos> yes, I intend to do that 17:11:54 <kk4ewt> i suspect they have default tests that run on both 17:11:59 <Defolos> they do 17:12:01 <nasirhm> kk4ewt++ for talking to -qa for it. 17:12:20 <Defolos> adamw created a template engine that runs the same tests on various spins 17:12:45 <kk4ewt> so what are those test (no need to recreate the wheel) 17:13:16 <Defolos> duno exactly, afaik basic stuff like: firefox starts, can browse urls 17:13:23 <Defolos> anaconda installs 17:13:54 <x3mboy[m]11> That's in the link I shared a few minutes ago 17:13:55 <Defolos> you can login, you can print, etc. 17:14:11 <x3mboy[m]11> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Desktop_test_matrix 17:16:09 <Defolos> most of that should be possible to put into openQA 17:17:35 <Defolos> soo 17:17:53 <nasirhm> Defolos++ 17:17:53 <Defolos> everyone who has time tries the isos and gives nasirhm feedback in the next meeting? 17:18:12 <siddharthvipul> Defolos: sounds good to me :) 17:18:58 <kk4ewt> anything else for the meeting? 17:19:13 <nasirhm> Sounds like a Good idea to me. 17:19:16 <Defolos> nothing from my side 17:19:50 <nasirhm> nothing from my side, would be working on the ks after another (probably) last meeting of the day. 17:20:29 <nasirhm> I think x3mboy wanted to add something. 17:20:36 <Defolos> right 17:20:39 <Defolos> x3mboy[m]11: ^^^ 17:22:33 <kk4ewt> #topic last thoughts 17:22:59 <kk4ewt> sets the fuse for 3 minutes 17:23:11 * Defolos ducks and prepares to run 17:23:15 <nasirhm> Another update from my side until x3mboy 's back for packaging i3lock-fancy, there's a dependency of a fork of i3lock which has some license which i can't understand much about. once that gets resolved, I would package it & we can add it to i3-extended. 17:24:17 * nasirhm is waiting to play with the ks files after this meeting. 17:26:03 <kk4ewt> until next time 17:26:08 <kk4ewt> #endmeeting