16:38:50 <kk4ewt> #startmeeting i3 Sig
16:38:50 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jun 16 16:38:50 2020 UTC.
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16:39:05 <kk4ewt> @chair Defolos x3mboy[m]11
16:39:57 <kk4ewt> nasirhm has been working on kickstarts and has sent those to the Respins Sig
16:40:48 <kk4ewt> the Respins Sig included the i3LXDE and i3XFCE isos in the updated F32-20200615 set so people can test and offer updates
16:41:32 <Defolos> hm, on that topic, what does i3LXDE and i3XFCE mean here?
16:41:45 <kk4ewt> those isos can be found at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins
16:41:58 <kk4ewt> i3 with that DE
16:42:57 * Defolos never knew you'd need a DE for i3…
16:43:03 <Defolos> I ain't using one
16:43:26 <kk4ewt> you dont but if you use one more people will be happier seems to be the thoughts
16:43:46 <kk4ewt> but this is a learning experience so one step at a time
16:44:06 <kk4ewt> Defolos;  first get people to try it
16:44:29 <Defolos> #halp
16:44:39 <Defolos> #help
16:44:47 <Defolos> hm…
16:45:12 <Defolos> kk4ewt: I think zodbot doesn't see me as the chair
16:46:36 <kk4ewt> #chair Defolos
16:46:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt
16:46:45 <kk4ewt> #chair x3mboy[m]11
16:46:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt x3mboy[m]11
16:46:58 * nasirhm waves
16:47:00 <kk4ewt> says you are a chair
16:47:12 * siddharthvipul is sleepy
16:47:17 <siddharthvipul> how is going y'all
16:47:22 <kk4ewt> #chair siddharthvipul
16:47:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt siddharthvipul x3mboy[m]11
16:47:38 <Defolos> I slept like 4 hours tonight, I'm really done…
16:47:52 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul;  well we have isos so that is a good step
16:48:01 <nasirhm> <Defolos "I'd like to write openQA tests f"> I would like to give a hand with OpenQA tests if you would like
16:48:10 <siddharthvipul> kk4ewt: brilliant, I have been noticing the discussion..
16:48:15 <siddharthvipul> thank you nasirhm and kk4ewt
16:48:16 <Defolos> nasirhm: have you ever worked with openQA?
16:48:21 <kk4ewt> nasirhm++
16:48:59 <siddharthvipul> I remember working with Taskatron back in my Fedora QA internship days
16:48:59 <nasirhm> Defolos: Didn't have much of iteraction with OpenQA tests but i do know how things work there.
16:49:10 <siddharthvipul> wondering if use of OpenQA is increased in the team
16:49:13 <nasirhm> <siddharthvipul "thank you nasirhm and kk4ewt"> Welcome :)
16:49:38 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul; taskatron is dead
16:49:57 <siddharthvipul> kk4ewt: I know :) I am in Fedora Infra (or CPE team) now... so aware of it
16:49:59 <nasirhm> Sorry for arriving late, I didn't mark it the calendar and today it was a day full of meetings, was jumping from one to another :
16:50:19 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: all good (hiding behind you for being late as well :P)
16:50:22 * kk4ewt i am in a zoom session as well
16:50:41 <kk4ewt> today is a WFH Day
16:51:02 * Defolos is WFH for the past 3 months
16:51:04 * nasirhm is missing his office now.
16:51:20 * nasirhm is in similar situation as Defolos.
16:51:35 <nasirhm> So Guys, Let's start with the meeting now.
16:52:03 <kk4ewt> nasirhm; already running
16:52:10 <kk4ewt> #chair nasirhm
16:52:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt nasirhm siddharthvipul x3mboy[m]11
16:52:43 <nasirhm> So I guess, you guys know about the LXDE & XFCE spin with i3
16:53:05 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: no
16:53:20 <kk4ewt> *** F32-20200615 updated lives available: https://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2  Built by the Fedora Respin Sig more info #fedora-respins  ***
16:53:31 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul; ^^
16:54:05 <kk4ewt> and my blog post is on the planet.fedoraproject.org
16:54:06 <siddharthvipul> kk4ewt: thank you
16:54:10 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: With the awesome help from kk4ewt , I was able to create 2 spins with LXDE and XFCE as the DE and once you install Fedora by Anaconda. and after restarting you would find i3 in to DE/WM selector
16:54:41 <siddharthvipul> nasirhm: I see.. was there any reason to do it with other DE? just curious
16:55:00 <Defolos> I think to get a better initial UX
16:55:08 <kk4ewt> siddharthvipul;  step one
16:55:17 * siddharthvipul nods
16:55:32 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul: After a discussion here  with kk4ewt I find that it would be much easir to build it upon other DEs and remove stuff one step at a time.
16:56:15 <nasirhm> I would work on it afterwards today to remove the specific DE's packages after installation with post-installation scripts.
16:57:13 <siddharthvipul> fair
16:57:22 <Defolos> nasirhm: wouldn't it be better to not install them at all?
16:57:23 <siddharthvipul> thank you both.. sorry to be useless here :)
16:57:33 <siddharthvipul> I promise I will be helpful "one day" :P
16:57:35 <x3mboy[m]11> What are we talking about?
16:57:36 <kk4ewt> nasirhm;  i really think we need find the file that gets changed and set that in the ks first
16:57:47 <Defolos> x3mboy[m]11: the spin isos that nasirhm and kk4ewt created
16:57:57 <x3mboy[m]11> Oh, I downloaded both
16:58:11 <x3mboy[m]11> I need to learn how to run QA matrix over them
16:58:20 <nasirhm> <kk4ewt "nasirhm;  i really think we need"> Hmm, I would work on it then.
16:58:27 <Defolos> x3mboy[m]11: which QA matrix?
16:58:33 <x3mboy[m]11> I have something to discuss, after the discussion is over
16:58:51 <kk4ewt> if we can get the live running i3 as the live i think you show off more of what i3 does
16:59:18 <kk4ewt> even with another DE
16:59:28 <nasirhm> kk4ewt: That's what's our goal is.
17:00:07 <nasirhm> (As far as i think of it.)
17:01:18 <nasirhm> <kk4ewt "if we can get the live running i"> One issue here is we don't have the icons in i3 like in other DE's
17:01:29 <kk4ewt> #topic next steps
17:01:52 <Defolos> could everyone write down what they expect on the spin to work?
17:02:24 <Defolos> can be high level stuff like: I can select i3 in the DE selection
17:02:26 * nasirhm would be working on finding the file that changes when DE's and WM's are added.
17:02:35 <kk4ewt> or test the current spin and suggest what they would like to see
17:02:45 <nasirhm> kk4ewt++
17:02:46 <Defolos> or "low-level" like: if I press enter, then a terminal should open
17:03:08 <Defolos> I would try to convert these to openQA tests overtime
17:03:31 <siddharthvipul> Defolos: isn't that the default i3 command? mod+enter open terminal?
17:03:49 <siddharthvipul> configurable in config
17:03:57 <nasirhm> After you install i3, it asks you to select the $mod key
17:04:04 <siddharthvipul> yep
17:04:30 <Defolos> siddharthvipul: I was just using that as an example
17:04:40 <nasirhm> That is the case currently as well.
17:05:08 <x3mboy[m]11> <siddharthvipul "Defolos: isn't that the default "> That's de default in i3
17:05:17 <x3mboy[m]11> > <@freenode_siddharthvipul:matrix.org> Defolos: isn't that the default i3 command? mod+enter open terminal?
17:05:17 <x3mboy[m]11> * That's the default in i3
17:06:09 <Defolos> my point is just: when you test the spin, write down what you do and what you expect to work
17:06:14 <x3mboy[m]11> <Defolos "x3mboy: which QA matrix?"> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Desktop_test_matrix
17:06:23 <siddharthvipul> Defolos: sure
17:06:53 <nasirhm> <Defolos "my point is just: when you test "> I want it to install functional & minimal fedora.
17:07:40 <nasirhm> with i3 as a WM (I thinl this one's obvious.)
17:07:44 <x3mboy[m]11> That's too broad to what Defolos is saying
17:07:59 <x3mboy[m]11> That's why test cases exists
17:07:59 <x3mboy[m]11> :D
17:08:07 <Defolos> yes
17:08:15 <Defolos> it has to be a wee bit more specific ;-)
17:08:35 <Defolos> I can't tell openQA: run the installer and check that it is minimal
17:09:45 <nasirhm> <Defolos "I can't tell openQA: run the ins"> How about telling openQA: these are the only packages that are needed.
17:10:07 <Defolos> nasirhm: that's certainly an option
17:10:19 <Defolos> but I'm afraid that will just break very frequently
17:10:28 <kk4ewt> #topic openqa
17:10:45 <Defolos> because the spin will be based on something else and if dependencies change, then your package set changes
17:10:58 <Defolos> and the tests fail because you suddenly have libfoo on the system as well
17:11:35 <kk4ewt> i suggest talking to -QA and see how they are testing gnome and kde
17:11:46 <nasirhm> I agree.
17:11:52 <Defolos> yes, I intend to do that
17:11:54 <kk4ewt> i suspect they have default tests that run on both
17:11:59 <Defolos> they do
17:12:01 <nasirhm> kk4ewt++ for talking to -qa for it.
17:12:20 <Defolos> adamw created a template engine that runs the same tests on various spins
17:12:45 <kk4ewt> so what are those test (no need to recreate the wheel)
17:13:16 <Defolos> duno exactly, afaik basic stuff like: firefox starts, can browse urls
17:13:23 <Defolos> anaconda installs
17:13:54 <x3mboy[m]11> That's in the link I shared a few minutes ago
17:13:55 <Defolos> you can login, you can print, etc.
17:14:11 <x3mboy[m]11> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Desktop_test_matrix
17:16:09 <Defolos> most of that should be possible to put into openQA
17:17:35 <Defolos> soo
17:17:53 <nasirhm> Defolos++
17:17:53 <Defolos> everyone who has time tries the isos and gives nasirhm feedback in the next meeting?
17:18:12 <siddharthvipul> Defolos: sounds good to me :)
17:18:58 <kk4ewt> anything else for the meeting?
17:19:13 <nasirhm> Sounds like a Good idea to me.
17:19:16 <Defolos> nothing from my side
17:19:50 <nasirhm> nothing from my side, would be working on the ks after another (probably) last meeting of the day.
17:20:29 <nasirhm> I think x3mboy wanted to add something.
17:20:36 <Defolos> right
17:20:39 <Defolos> x3mboy[m]11: ^^^
17:22:33 <kk4ewt> #topic last thoughts
17:22:59 <kk4ewt> sets the fuse for 3 minutes
17:23:11 * Defolos ducks and prepares to run
17:23:15 <nasirhm> Another update from my side until x3mboy 's back for packaging i3lock-fancy, there's a dependency of a fork of i3lock which has some license which i can't understand much about. once that gets resolved, I would package it & we can add it to i3-extended.
17:24:17 * nasirhm is waiting to play with the ks files after this meeting.
17:26:03 <kk4ewt> until next time
17:26:08 <kk4ewt> #endmeeting