16:38:50 #startmeeting i3 Sig 16:38:50 Meeting started Tue Jun 16 16:38:50 2020 UTC. 16:38:50 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:38:50 The chair is kk4ewt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:38:50 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:38:50 The meeting name has been set to 'i3_sig' 16:39:05 @chair Defolos x3mboy[m]11 16:39:57 nasirhm has been working on kickstarts and has sent those to the Respins Sig 16:40:48 the Respins Sig included the i3LXDE and i3XFCE isos in the updated F32-20200615 set so people can test and offer updates 16:41:32 hm, on that topic, what does i3LXDE and i3XFCE mean here? 16:41:45 those isos can be found at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins 16:41:58 i3 with that DE 16:42:57 * Defolos never knew you'd need a DE for i3… 16:43:03 I ain't using one 16:43:26 you dont but if you use one more people will be happier seems to be the thoughts 16:43:46 but this is a learning experience so one step at a time 16:44:06 Defolos; first get people to try it 16:44:29 #halp 16:44:39 #help 16:44:47 hm… 16:45:12 kk4ewt: I think zodbot doesn't see me as the chair 16:46:36 #chair Defolos 16:46:36 Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt 16:46:45 #chair x3mboy[m]11 16:46:45 Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt x3mboy[m]11 16:46:58 * nasirhm waves 16:47:00 says you are a chair 16:47:12 * siddharthvipul is sleepy 16:47:17 how is going y'all 16:47:22 #chair siddharthvipul 16:47:22 Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt siddharthvipul x3mboy[m]11 16:47:38 I slept like 4 hours tonight, I'm really done… 16:47:52 siddharthvipul; well we have isos so that is a good step 16:48:01 I would like to give a hand with OpenQA tests if you would like 16:48:10 kk4ewt: brilliant, I have been noticing the discussion.. 16:48:15 thank you nasirhm and kk4ewt 16:48:16 nasirhm: have you ever worked with openQA? 16:48:21 nasirhm++ 16:48:59 I remember working with Taskatron back in my Fedora QA internship days 16:48:59 Defolos: Didn't have much of iteraction with OpenQA tests but i do know how things work there. 16:49:10 wondering if use of OpenQA is increased in the team 16:49:13 Welcome :) 16:49:38 siddharthvipul; taskatron is dead 16:49:57 kk4ewt: I know :) I am in Fedora Infra (or CPE team) now... so aware of it 16:49:59 Sorry for arriving late, I didn't mark it the calendar and today it was a day full of meetings, was jumping from one to another : 16:50:19 nasirhm: all good (hiding behind you for being late as well :P) 16:50:22 * kk4ewt i am in a zoom session as well 16:50:41 today is a WFH Day 16:51:02 * Defolos is WFH for the past 3 months 16:51:04 * nasirhm is missing his office now. 16:51:20 * nasirhm is in similar situation as Defolos. 16:51:35 So Guys, Let's start with the meeting now. 16:52:03 nasirhm; already running 16:52:10 #chair nasirhm 16:52:10 Current chairs: Defolos kk4ewt nasirhm siddharthvipul x3mboy[m]11 16:52:43 So I guess, you guys know about the LXDE & XFCE spin with i3 16:53:05 nasirhm: no 16:53:20 *** F32-20200615 updated lives available: https://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2 Built by the Fedora Respin Sig more info #fedora-respins *** 16:53:31 siddharthvipul; ^^ 16:54:05 and my blog post is on the planet.fedoraproject.org 16:54:06 kk4ewt: thank you 16:54:10 siddharthvipul: With the awesome help from kk4ewt , I was able to create 2 spins with LXDE and XFCE as the DE and once you install Fedora by Anaconda. and after restarting you would find i3 in to DE/WM selector 16:54:41 nasirhm: I see.. was there any reason to do it with other DE? just curious 16:55:00 I think to get a better initial UX 16:55:08 siddharthvipul; step one 16:55:17 * siddharthvipul nods 16:55:32 siddharthvipul: After a discussion here with kk4ewt I find that it would be much easir to build it upon other DEs and remove stuff one step at a time. 16:56:15 I would work on it afterwards today to remove the specific DE's packages after installation with post-installation scripts. 16:57:13 fair 16:57:22 nasirhm: wouldn't it be better to not install them at all? 16:57:23 thank you both.. sorry to be useless here :) 16:57:33 I promise I will be helpful "one day" :P 16:57:35 What are we talking about? 16:57:36 nasirhm; i really think we need find the file that gets changed and set that in the ks first 16:57:47 x3mboy[m]11: the spin isos that nasirhm and kk4ewt created 16:57:57 Oh, I downloaded both 16:58:11 I need to learn how to run QA matrix over them 16:58:20 Hmm, I would work on it then. 16:58:27 x3mboy[m]11: which QA matrix? 16:58:33 I have something to discuss, after the discussion is over 16:58:51 if we can get the live running i3 as the live i think you show off more of what i3 does 16:59:18 even with another DE 16:59:28 kk4ewt: That's what's our goal is. 17:00:07 (As far as i think of it.) 17:01:18 One issue here is we don't have the icons in i3 like in other DE's 17:01:29 #topic next steps 17:01:52 could everyone write down what they expect on the spin to work? 17:02:24 can be high level stuff like: I can select i3 in the DE selection 17:02:26 * nasirhm would be working on finding the file that changes when DE's and WM's are added. 17:02:35 or test the current spin and suggest what they would like to see 17:02:45 kk4ewt++ 17:02:46 or "low-level" like: if I press enter, then a terminal should open 17:03:08 I would try to convert these to openQA tests overtime 17:03:31 Defolos: isn't that the default i3 command? mod+enter open terminal? 17:03:49 configurable in config 17:03:57 After you install i3, it asks you to select the $mod key 17:04:04 yep 17:04:30 siddharthvipul: I was just using that as an example 17:04:40 That is the case currently as well. 17:05:08 That's de default in i3 17:05:17 > <@freenode_siddharthvipul:matrix.org> Defolos: isn't that the default i3 command? mod+enter open terminal? 17:05:17 * That's the default in i3 17:06:09 my point is just: when you test the spin, write down what you do and what you expect to work 17:06:14 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Desktop_test_matrix 17:06:23 Defolos: sure 17:06:53 I want it to install functional & minimal fedora. 17:07:40 with i3 as a WM (I thinl this one's obvious.) 17:07:44 That's too broad to what Defolos is saying 17:07:59 That's why test cases exists 17:07:59 :D 17:08:07 yes 17:08:15 it has to be a wee bit more specific ;-) 17:08:35 I can't tell openQA: run the installer and check that it is minimal 17:09:45 How about telling openQA: these are the only packages that are needed. 17:10:07 nasirhm: that's certainly an option 17:10:19 but I'm afraid that will just break very frequently 17:10:28 #topic openqa 17:10:45 because the spin will be based on something else and if dependencies change, then your package set changes 17:10:58 and the tests fail because you suddenly have libfoo on the system as well 17:11:35 i suggest talking to -QA and see how they are testing gnome and kde 17:11:46 I agree. 17:11:52 yes, I intend to do that 17:11:54 i suspect they have default tests that run on both 17:11:59 they do 17:12:01 kk4ewt++ for talking to -qa for it. 17:12:20 adamw created a template engine that runs the same tests on various spins 17:12:45 so what are those test (no need to recreate the wheel) 17:13:16 duno exactly, afaik basic stuff like: firefox starts, can browse urls 17:13:23 anaconda installs 17:13:54 That's in the link I shared a few minutes ago 17:13:55 you can login, you can print, etc. 17:14:11 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Desktop_test_matrix 17:16:09 most of that should be possible to put into openQA 17:17:35 soo 17:17:53 Defolos++ 17:17:53 everyone who has time tries the isos and gives nasirhm feedback in the next meeting? 17:18:12 Defolos: sounds good to me :) 17:18:58 anything else for the meeting? 17:19:13 Sounds like a Good idea to me. 17:19:16 nothing from my side 17:19:50 nothing from my side, would be working on the ks after another (probably) last meeting of the day. 17:20:29 I think x3mboy wanted to add something. 17:20:36 right 17:20:39 x3mboy[m]11: ^^^ 17:22:33 #topic last thoughts 17:22:59 sets the fuse for 3 minutes 17:23:11 * Defolos ducks and prepares to run 17:23:15 Another update from my side until x3mboy 's back for packaging i3lock-fancy, there's a dependency of a fork of i3lock which has some license which i can't understand much about. once that gets resolved, I would package it & we can add it to i3-extended. 17:24:17 * nasirhm is waiting to play with the ks files after this meeting. 17:26:03 until next time 17:26:08 #endmeeting