19:00:00 #startmeeting Infrastructure (2011-09-08) 19:00:01 Meeting started Thu Sep 8 19:00:00 2011 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 #topic Robot Roll Call 19:00:01 #chair smooge skvidal codeblock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken 19:00:01 Current chairs: abadger1999 codeblock lmacken nirik ricky skvidal smooge 19:00:26 .fas pingou 19:00:26 pingou: pingou 'Pierre-YvesChibon' 19:00:30 * StylusEater is here 19:00:31 who all's around for a infra meeting? ;) 19:00:31 * lmacken 19:00:45 * athmane is here 19:00:51 * pingou has a lazy connection today 19:01:36 * rfelsburg here 19:01:43 hello everyone. 19:02:07 * abadger1999 here 19:02:09 * skvidal is here 19:02:19 I guess lets go ahead and dive on in. 19:02:26 #topic New folks introductions and apprentice tasks/feedback 19:02:43 any new folks want to say hi, or apprentices want to talk about any tickets or issues? 19:02:56 is here 19:03:37 I'll note that I have gotten 2 replies to my apprentice ping email from the 2nd... if you are an apprentice and want to remain in the group, please reply to the email before tomorrow. ;) 19:04:14 here 19:04:16 How are we doing at getting people moved from apprentice into other groups? 19:04:38 abadger1999: so so. ;) A few have done so... moved into noc or other groups. 19:05:11 19:05:27 how long it remains in fi-apprentice 19:05:41 I think the only way we are going to do better is some more hands on mentoring... ie, try and assign people tickets and such. 19:06:05 LoKoMurdoK: every month I mail all people in apprentice. Anyone who doesn't reply is removed. I use this feedback to help improve things... 19:06:31 nirik: I think it's helpful. I stepped back because of time and mentioned it to you in a reply. 19:06:50 I had a suggestion to add a section on irc etiquette, which I did to the apprentice page. It could use more work tho. 19:06:53 nirik: to be fair - I thin k2 is not bad 19:06:59 err think 2 19:07:12 StylusEater: yeah, totally understood. ;) 19:07:16 nirik: when you think about adding folks and bringing them in - you don't want more than 5 at any given time, really 19:07:40 (this is the royal 'you' - not YOU specifically) 19:08:07 skvidal: yeah. As always, the big hurdle is getting someone from wanting to help to working on something and doing things. ;) it can be daunting. 19:08:13 nod 19:08:24 and doing that for more than 5 of them... 19:08:26 that'd be tricky 19:08:30 and when they graduate fi-apprentice? 19:08:57 LoKoMurdoK: we have a ceremony w/ a band 19:09:01 no, wait. 19:09:03 LoKoMurdoK: once someone is working on a group they enjoy the don't need to be in apprentice anymore... they can work with whatever group or branch out and work on others. 19:09:03 no we don't 19:09:04 :) 19:09:31 * nirik hands out drums and trombones. ;) 19:09:32 skvidal: nah 19:09:39 yah - what nirik says sounds much more reasonable :) 19:09:54 anyhow, any other apprentice or new folks questions? or shall we move on? 19:09:56 * pingou disapointed 19:10:09 pingou: ? 19:10:17 pingou: you wanted a ceremony? 19:10:25 I wanted the ceremony as skvidal described 19:10:26 skvidal: you have a band for the ceremony 19:10:30 xD 19:10:34 heh 19:10:35 pingou: :) 19:10:39 jajaj 19:10:42 ah. ;) we will see if we can make one up. ;) 19:10:50 * pingou lags 19:10:52 I got a band. It was kazoos playing a dirge 19:11:07 * nirik breaks out the electric bagpipes. 19:11:12 nirik: sounds like a plan for coming fudcon ;) 19:11:12 LOL 19:11:20 #topic Upcoming new machine plans 19:11:34 LoKoMurdoK, nopw 19:11:50 so, our new machine plans are moving forward. we had an outage yesterday to replace db02 (rhel5) with db01 (rhel6) and bastion01 with bastion03 19:12:09 there is some weirdness I was not aware of around the bastion machines. 19:12:22 I am going to look at writing it up and seeing if we can make it less... anoying. 19:12:24 _some_? 19:12:31 there's a lot of weirdness 19:12:41 issues (in no particular order): 19:13:01 * we don't control reverse dns, so they will say bastion01/02 until we ask them to be changed. 19:13:19 * There's a spf record for lists.fedoraproject.org that needs to list whatever one is active. 19:13:37 * changing vpn over needs the openvpn configs to properly reflect the machines available, which it wasn't. 19:14:18 so, anyhow, I am going to write up some of this and ask for ideas to make it more bullet proof. 19:14:47 at some point we will replace bastion02 with 04... 19:15:07 and smooge has been busy with stg boxes. 19:15:35 retrace hardware is on network so I am working on that next 19:15:39 Beta freeze is next week, so probibly will take a break during that. 19:15:43 smooge: excellent. 19:16:11 cool 19:16:20 about making it more bullet proof. 19:16:35 I considered it black magic that I needed a pint of ricky's blood to make work 19:16:47 sadly I think that made ricky a tad hesitant to help 19:16:53 also, anything that needs dns changes is horrible and we should figure out a better way. ;) 19:17:03 ha. 19:17:10 thankfully we now have a spare 19:17:15 #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:17:29 2011-09-09 Remove inactive fi-apprentice people. 19:17:35 2011-09-13 - 27: Beta change freeze 19:17:48 2011-09-27: Fedora 16 Beta (unless it slips) 19:18:21 Anyone have any other upcoming tasks/plans? 19:19:43 #topic In Progress RFRs 19:20:10 askbot is coming along. abadger1999 has been great help there. ;) (Sorry If I pawned it off on you too much) 19:20:24 heh 19:20:32 paste is in testing in dev now, if it looks good we can look at moving it to staging hopefully soon. 19:20:43 nirik: I'll be sure to bother you if I need a change freeze request for the raffle app ;-) 19:20:57 fair. :) 19:21:06 raffle app? 19:21:29 smooge: https://app01.dev.fedoraproject.org/raffle/ 19:21:56 cool. 19:22:02 very cool. 19:22:02 smooge: It's for the ambassadors to run a T-Shirt raffle -- may turn out to be a one-off or something we want to continue developing.... not sure yet. 19:22:12 ooooh 19:22:21 we can raffle off tons of stuff 19:22:24 hahaha 19:22:29 abadger1999: is that your daughter? 19:22:33 skvidal: it is. 19:22:33 do a bug fix get entered in a raffle 19:22:39 abadger1999: she looks THRILLED to be involved in that 19:22:39 Prizes: [1] ppc11 19:23:10 hehehehe 19:23:19 skvidal: Oh she is. As only a teenager can. 19:23:20 to both nirik and skvidal 19:23:38 nirik: dude. I would be so happy if you'd raffle off all the ppcs to someone else 19:23:39 smooge: speaking of which, any news on ppc11? ;) 19:23:45 no news 19:23:50 nirik: hell, just give them to jwb as a present 19:24:02 skvidal: if we can get ppc11 working, we can give all the old bladecenter ones to ppc secondary arch. ;) 19:24:10 the ticket is sitting in limbo next to abadger1999's daughter smile 19:24:28 nirik: but if we give them all to jwb we can just not have to deal w/it at all 19:24:35 nirik: which, umm, seems better 19:24:46 indeed, sadly epel still uses them... 19:24:53 for all 3 downloaders 19:25:07 nirik: LA LA LA LA 19:25:11 I CAN'T HEAR YOU 19:25:20 * skvidal stops being silly 19:25:32 skvidal, you can fight that with dgilmore :) 19:25:52 I will be selling popcorn and raffling shirts for that matchup 19:26:35 Oh, also on the rel-eng machine front: if we can get migrated off releng02 and kojipkgs02 we can repave bxen03. Doubt that will happen before beta, but we will see. 19:26:44 #topic Open Floor 19:26:51 Anyone have anything for open floor? 19:27:05 smooge: I noticed you were setting up salt - did you work through your problems? 19:27:23 abadger1999: I like the additional restrictions on the raffle page. nice. 19:28:12 skvidal, no. I need to talk to you after the meeting 19:28:25 :-) 19:28:29 smooge: ok 19:28:31 skvidal: oh i nearly added s390x to epel 6 19:28:47 dgilmore: you just say those things b/c you like to see me weep 19:29:01 abadger1999: is the raffle app something you would package up and get into fedora? or to early to tell? a simple raffle app might be popular. 19:29:03 tears of blood... 19:29:04 skvidal: not always 19:29:32 dgilmore: nice 19:29:35 nirik: Too early to tell -- I'm definitely going to rpm package it but I'm not sure if I'm going to make it a hosted project/put it into fedora. 19:29:43 nirik: I want to see if this a one-off or not. 19:29:55 yeah, understandable. 19:29:55 If it's a one-off, then I won't do any of the extra stuff. 19:30:11 Unless someone else wants to pick it up :-) 19:30:36 dgilmore: thoughts on timing to move from releng02->releng04, and kojipkgs01->02 ? after beta? 19:30:51 Could people test out staging at the momnet? I want to see how badly I broke it with db01->db02 19:31:17 smooge: https://admin.stg.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ looks unhappy. ;( 19:32:17 well then I am going to need help after the meeting on this... 19:32:23 nirik: i need to check on one thing for releng02-04 19:32:46 nirik: i was going to double check kojipkgs02 19:33:01 nirik: but i think we can do kojipkgs02 before beta 19:33:03 ok, no worries. Just let me know if there's anything more to do on them, etc. 19:33:08 excellent. 19:33:33 if we can do both, we can rebuild bxen03, which will give another nice bvirthost machine. 19:34:09 dgilmore, would you have time next week during the freeze to go over what I need to do to move pkgs01.stg to new hardware? 19:34:49 I could probibly help with that too.. . 19:35:47 anyhow, anything else for open floor? or shall we get back to infra-ing? 19:35:56 I am here, sorry way late 19:36:18 CodeBlock, its ok.. we just talked about your tasks for tomorrow 19:36:33 smooge, tomorrow ? Why wait ? 19:37:28 smooge: my "this is what you get for missing the meeting" tasks? ;) 19:37:41 :) 19:38:24 ok, will close out in a minute if nothing else... 19:38:55 thanks for coming everyone 19:38:58 #endmeeting