18:00:27 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2016-08-18)
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18:00:27 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:27 <nirik> #topic aloha
18:00:27 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson
18:00:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:28 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions
18:00:46 <nirik> hey infrastructure folks. Who all is around for another exciting meeting? ;)
18:00:51 <skamath> .hello skamath
18:00:53 <zodbot> skamath: skamath 'Sachin S Kamath ' <sskamath96@gmail.com>
18:00:59 <bowlofeggs> .hello bowlofeggs
18:01:00 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <randy@electronsweatshop.com>
18:01:09 <tammy5> hello tammyb5
18:01:18 <tmoreira> .hello tmoreira
18:01:19 <zodbot> tmoreira: Sorry, but you don't exist
18:01:30 <vivek_> .hello vivekanand1101
18:01:31 <zodbot> vivek_: vivekanand1101 'Vivek Anand' <vivekanand1101@gmail.com>
18:01:36 <vivek_> tmoreira: your FAS one
18:01:38 <nirik> harsh zodbot, harsh
18:01:44 <smooge> yhello
18:01:45 <tmoreira> .hello tiagovieira
18:01:45 <lbalhar> .hello lbalhar
18:01:46 <zodbot> tmoreira: tiagovieira 'Tiago Moreira Vieira' <tmv@redhat.com>
18:01:49 <zodbot> lbalhar: lbalhar 'Lumír Balhar' <lbalhar@redhat.com>
18:01:50 <marc84> hi everyone
18:02:15 <clime> hey, sry a bit late.
18:02:25 <nirik> Cool. Anyone here new today would like to give a short one line introduction of themselves? :)
18:02:42 * nirik runs to grab another cup of coffee, back in a jiffy
18:02:47 <skamath> .hello tiagovieira
18:02:48 <zodbot> skamath: tiagovieira 'Tiago Moreira Vieira' <tmv@redhat.com>
18:02:51 <skamath> tmoreira, ^
18:03:08 <skamath> Whoops, wrong one?
18:03:21 <tmoreira> that's right
18:03:40 <skamath> Ah okay :)
18:03:58 * bowlofeggs adds some whiskey to nirik's coffee, and a little bailey's
18:04:13 <tmoreira> Hey, I'm Tiago. QE Eng. at Red Hat, RHCSA, RHCE, studying for RHCA Datacenter, want to be part of the team.
18:04:17 <nirik> yum. :)
18:04:29 <bowlofeggs> hello tmoreira!
18:04:43 <nirik> tmoreira: welcome. Are you more interested in sysadmin type tasks or application devel, or both?
18:04:53 <tmoreira> nirik: both
18:05:27 <tmoreira> nirik: got experience with web app development with Python
18:05:33 <nirik> great. See me after the meeting in #fedora-admin and i can add you to our apprentice group... and #fedora-apps should be a good place to ask about application devel.
18:05:44 <tmoreira> nirik: great
18:05:44 <lbalhar> Hello, I am Lumir and I am member of Python maintenance team in Red Hat
18:06:08 <nirik> lbalhar: awesome. welcome.
18:06:31 <nirik> same question for you ^ (re: sysadmin or app devel or both)
18:07:14 <lbalhar> nirik, I worked as sysadmin for years and now I am developing apps, so answer is both
18:07:31 <nirik> alright. fair enough.
18:07:36 <nirik> any other new folks?
18:08:17 <nirik> ok, lets move on to status/info then...
18:08:20 <nirik> #topic announcements and information
18:08:20 <nirik> #info wikiedit fas group created for people who need to edit, but don't fit in other groups - kevin
18:08:20 <nirik> #info inactive apprentices dropped monday - kevin
18:08:20 <nirik> #info created bodhi-backend03 fedora 24 instance, mostly works - kevin
18:08:29 <nirik> anything else anyone wants to add or discuss from those?
18:09:02 <bowlofeggs> nirik: sure, i wouldn't mind talking about the docker thread i started on the list this week
18:09:15 <bowlofeggs> maybe just a brief "please read the thread" or something
18:09:20 <nirik> bowlofeggs: sure...
18:09:22 <bowlofeggs> i don't really have anything new to to add though
18:09:24 <nirik> #topic Docker mirroring
18:09:36 <bowlofeggs> oh thanks ☺
18:09:40 <nirik> I skimmed it, but haven't really understood it.
18:10:04 <bowlofeggs> for anyone who hasn't read the thread yet, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/IMK3IKNMVYMEBV5S7BCYHNSVA2BGSWZ3/
18:10:17 <bowlofeggs> nirik: is there a way i could make it clearer?
18:10:19 <nirik> #info please read and provide feedback on "Subject: Proposal to mirror Docker images" thread
18:11:10 <nirik> don't think so, I just need to get some time to re-read it and process.
18:11:15 <nirik> I think it seemed fine
18:11:38 <nirik> is there any time frame for this work? or just as soon as we can?
18:11:46 <smooge> I am looking for how much disk space we are looking at
18:12:35 <nirik> I think it's pretty difficult to estimate that at this point
18:13:19 <bowlofeggs> nirik: i think it's just as soon as we can get it
18:13:46 <bowlofeggs> smooge: i don't think i have the information i'd need to make a guess about disk space
18:13:54 <bowlofeggs> does anyone here have any clues about that?
18:14:00 <nirik> sure, but needs docker and mirrormanager work. I assume the docker stuff would jst be carried in the fedora docker package? or would upstream actually accept it?
18:14:39 <bowlofeggs> nirik: that's correct, as well as a new (small) tool, and some ansible stuff, and mirror list (which is separate of mirror manager?)
18:14:40 <smooge> bowlofeggs, I do not.
18:14:50 <bowlofeggs> nirik: as for upstreaming it, i do plan to try
18:15:08 <bowlofeggs> nirik: it's often difficult to get things like this upstream
18:15:24 <bowlofeggs> nirik: so if that path does not work, we will have to carry a patch downstream (ewww)
18:15:31 <bowlofeggs> which will be a maintainence pain
18:16:29 <bowlofeggs> pingou and others suggested collaborating with other distros who may also want to distribute images
18:16:32 <bowlofeggs> which is a solid idea
18:16:52 <bowlofeggs> perhaps a group of distros working together can convince upstream to accept a patch
18:17:03 <nirik> cool. yeah, worth a try for sure
18:17:11 <bowlofeggs> centos, suse, ubuntu, and debian have been suggested
18:17:26 <nirik> centos should be easy to approach. ;)
18:17:31 <bowlofeggs> gentoo users will presumably make docker images from Dockerfiles locally, hahaha
18:17:43 <bowlofeggs> yeah i think we know a dude or two over there ☺
18:17:45 <nirik> and arch. ;)
18:18:07 <bowlofeggs> anwyays, i didn't have much else to say about this topic, but if anyone else wants to discuss it live, go for it
18:18:08 <nirik> anyhow, sounds good.
18:18:14 <bowlofeggs> otherwise, feel free to move on
18:18:24 <bowlofeggs> and thanks for the floor ☺
18:18:30 <bowlofeggs> oh, one more thing
18:18:46 <bowlofeggs> how long should i wait on the thread before saying "we're doing this!"?
18:18:49 <bowlofeggs> a week?
18:18:54 <smooge> what upstream are you talking about?
18:18:59 <bowlofeggs> smooge: docker
18:19:06 <smooge> oh good luck with that
18:19:17 <nirik> yeah, week or so sounds reasonable
18:19:18 <bowlofeggs> smooge: basically, the proposal is to add metalink support to the docker client.
18:19:37 <bowlofeggs> smooge: yeah i have a feeling it will be difficult to get upstream to accept it since its contrary to their business
18:19:41 <smooge> I think that would completely derail their walled garden
18:19:45 <bowlofeggs> yeah
18:19:54 <bowlofeggs> i'm gonna at least send the PR though
18:19:57 <bowlofeggs> can't hurt
18:20:05 <bowlofeggs> since i have to make the code, might as well try
18:20:47 <nirik> yeah, always try at least
18:21:26 <nirik> ok, anything else here? or shall I move on?
18:21:38 <smooge> move on
18:22:16 <nirik> #topic flock workshop followup - kevin
18:22:25 <nirik> I brought this up last week, but thought I would again...
18:22:45 <nirik> there was a bunch of things discussed at flock, and I sent an email to the list going over those and proposed plans.
18:23:13 <nirik> so, feel free to chime in on the list on those, or here or whatever. ;) Likely we will start moving forward on some of them soon.
18:24:18 <nirik> #topic Apprentice Open office hours
18:24:33 <tammy5> I have a question: as an apprentice on the apprentice page, it mentions to access nagios. After accessing nagios alert what can an apprentice do on that page?
18:24:35 <nirik> any apprentices with questions or comments? or looking for tasks to work on?
18:25:18 <tammy5> what type of reports can be run for the nagios page as an apprentice
18:25:21 <nirik> tammy5: so, yeah, you should be able to go to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/ and login and see the info... if you see an alert you can try and go to the machine that has it and see if you can see whats causing it...
18:25:45 <nirik> I almost always go to the 'tactical overview' option.
18:25:52 <tammy5> ok
18:25:53 <nirik> as it lists the things with alerts/warnings, etc.
18:26:21 <nirik> we try and make sure nagios is all green before we go into a freeze...
18:26:36 <nirik> but there's always alerts... often caused by network issues we can't really control
18:26:41 <tammy5> ok
18:27:45 <clime> Can I work on ticket 4485?
18:27:53 <clime> .ticket 4485
18:27:55 <nirik> In the past we also tried to look at what caused the most alerts and see if we could fix it...
18:27:55 <zodbot> clime: #4485 (run POC-Change script for EPEL) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4485
18:28:12 <clime> (sry for interrupting:()
18:28:15 <nirik> so that might be something fun for someone to look into...
18:28:32 <tammy5> no worries at all @clime
18:28:46 <nirik> clime: sure. go for it. ;) very similar to the other report email ones...
18:28:49 <tammy5> that was my next one to mentioned the ticket I am working on :)
18:29:00 <clime> nirik: ok :)
18:29:07 <tammy5> I am working on ticket #5151
18:29:14 <nirik> .ticket 5151
18:29:16 <zodbot> nirik: #5151 (Write SOP for retrace-server/faf) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/5151
18:29:29 <nirik> ah cool.
18:29:55 <nirik> I might be able to find you some folks who know about that more and could answer questions... will have to go look up irc nicks...
18:31:24 <nirik> I can try and dig that up and add to the ticket...
18:31:53 <tammy5> are you referring to ticket #5151 nirik or 4485
18:32:17 <nirik> 5151. The people who write the retrace server are their own group...
18:32:52 <tammy5> cool
18:33:05 <tammy5> in the meantime I was going to do more research on it
18:33:30 <nirik> sounds good.
18:33:36 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/abrt/wiki/AbrtRetraceServer is a good place to start
18:34:09 <tammy5> thanks
18:34:27 <nirik> https://github.com/abrt/faf and https://github.com/abrt/retrace-server are possibly more up to date I guess
18:34:57 <nirik> ok, any other apprentices with questions?
18:35:08 <tammy5> yes I have another one: are there any machines that an apprentice can access via ssh? I kept getting permission denied. I was able to access bastion01 but any other machine was permission denied(public key)
18:35:35 <nirik> yeah, there should be a bunch of them...
18:35:50 <bowlofeggs> tammy5: do you have the fancy ssh config needed for doing that?
18:35:52 <nirik> you should be able to access them via bastion... sounds like that part isn't working right?
18:36:09 <tammy5> I am using putty
18:36:13 <tammy5> I have a windows machine
18:36:31 <nirik> I saw puiterwijk was trying to assist on that the other day... I don't know much about putty I'm afraid.
18:36:31 <bowlofeggs> ah, i don't know much about how to do it with putty
18:36:38 <tammy5> correct
18:36:50 <bowlofeggs> tammy5: you may be able to use openssh with cygwin, maybe?
18:36:51 <tammy5> and he helped me a lot
18:37:02 <tammy5> I will try that as well thanks
18:37:36 <nirik> yeah, he may be able to help further when next hes around...
18:37:47 <bowlofeggs> yeah looks like it's included with cygwin: http://www.openssh.com/portable.html
18:38:01 <nirik> bowlofeggs: good idea. Might be worth a try
18:38:53 <tmoreira> tammy5: the info in this doc doesn't work? https://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/infra/docs/sshaccess.rst
18:39:08 <tmoreira> I saw there's putty config section in there.
18:39:33 <tammy5> not for me
18:39:42 <tammy5> but I will try again maybe I missed something
18:40:32 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:41:03 <nirik> oh, FYI, we slipped a week in the f25 alpha go/no-go, so as always our freeze will move out another week to match that.
18:41:19 <nirik> does anyone have anything else for open floor?
18:42:10 <tammy5> I do not
18:43:11 <clime> (i am good too)
18:44:41 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. lbalhar / tmoreira: if you want to head over to #fedora-admin I can get you added to apprentice.
18:44:44 <nirik> #endmeeting