18:01:41 #startmeeting Infrastructure (2017-07-13) 18:01:41 Meeting started Thu Jul 13 18:01:41 2017 UTC. The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:41 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2017-07-13)' 18:01:42 #meetingname infrastructure 18:01:42 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:01:42 #topic aloha 18:01:42 #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 dgilmore threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson 18:01:42 Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 18:01:59 Hi 18:02:03 .hello codeblock 18:02:06 or not 18:02:12 relrod: codeblock 'Ricky Elrod' 18:02:13 * relrod is here :) 18:02:18 hello 18:02:42 poor zodbot.. not as super as he says he is 18:03:48 * threebean waves 18:04:05 #topic New folks introductions 18:04:28 Hi are there any new people here? 18:05:38 ok I am thinking today will be a very quiet and quick meeting 18:05:51 #topic announcements and information 18:05:51 #info F26 is released. Mirrors did well 18:05:51 #info Final freeze is over 18:05:51 #info PHX2 Colo Trip coming up, Aug 14-18 18:05:52 #info Major outage planned for Aug14->18 18:05:53 #info FLOCK at Cape Code Aug29->Sep01 18:05:54 #info Kevin is moving across country and away from keyboard 18:05:56 #info fedmsg-0.19.0 released, watch for issues on F26+ (no m2crypto) 18:06:19 \o/ py3 support for fedmsg! 18:06:41 \O/ no more freeze 18:07:43 \ 18:07:45 o/ flock 18:08:00 \o/ 4 days of outage! 18:08:06 Oh wait, that's a /o\ 18:08:23 especially since I don't know if the people in charge of the f27 schedule know it 18:08:42 That might be a good thing to inform them about 18:09:21 outage for my birthday, how kind! 18:09:41 :-) 18:09:44 pingou: all for you! 18:09:52 is it a single outage or multiple small one? 18:10:03 It's a very complicated set of outages 18:10:11 k 18:10:15 We're moving all our racks a few meters away 18:10:29 but not a single large one: as if: we're moving the entire datacenter in trucks 18:10:40 or on the back of smooge 's truck 18:10:57 No, it's in the same physical vicinity. But it is a complicated operation, with lots of moving parts 18:11:01 (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻ is my guess to what will happen when they find out 18:11:01 (physically and virtually) 18:11:10 smooge: yep. Sounds about right 18:11:21 ^^ 18:11:34 is 4 days the dates they gave us? 18:11:35 I guess no one wants to tell mattdm 18:11:40 i have a question when there is an open floor opportunity or appropriate subject 18:11:55 or did we plan a little extra time ? 18:12:00 jwboyer: today's meeting is going to be quite short, so we should have enough time 18:12:07 ok 18:12:12 pingou: that's pretty much what we're told as being the planning to get stuff moved I think 18:12:23 pingou, currently it will be those 4 days but it may be longer or shorter in parts depending on how much it takes 18:12:37 .fas sayanchowdhury 18:12:37 sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' 18:12:44 puiterwijk: smooge: would it make sense to plan an extra day, best case we finish early? 18:12:47 * puiterwijk notes I'm going to get to fix koji, so might respond slower 18:13:08 pingou, the days there are dependant on our budget for the move which is maxed out 18:13:09 * mattdm looks at schedule. 18:13:13 * mattdm looks at the above. 18:13:30 so... major outage right during planned branch? 18:13:53 this is what happens when you slip a release and try to account for it by cutting it out of the next release 18:13:53 Yep, pretty much 18:14:23 jwboyer: which is? because that branch date hasn't changed since fesco set it 18:14:24 mattdm: when will we stop branching? f28? 18:14:53 pingou: and have everything in modules? 18:15:04 mattdm, correct, but there is literally no better timing because everything in f27 is so compacted 18:15:23 mattdm: but w/ arbitrary branches we don't need everything in modules no? 18:15:33 mattdm, we have talked with releng and they were looking to move the branch back a week 18:15:44 dgilmore is in meetings so I don't know the status of that 18:16:20 jwboyer, conversations about compact schedules can go to #fedora-devel please :) 18:17:05 smooge, overall, sure. but mattdm is eyeing your outage schedule and it's impacts on the f27 schedule. i thought that was relevant here. anyway, i'll shut up 18:17:12 smooge: I've more questions about this outage but I guess I can ask them outside of this meeting, they are more for my personal curiosity 18:17:24 in this case, there were 2 weeks we could do the outage and the other was flock 18:17:42 it definitely increases my worry level by another notch. 18:19:46 ok anything else on the announcements? 18:20:05 koji upgrade planned next week 18:20:12 pagure on dist-git the week after 18:20:32 #info koji upgrade planned next week 2017-07-17 18:20:38 #info pagure after that 18:21:04 * pingou trying to fix tests before doing a new pagure release and pushing 3.x to prod 18:21:06 #info Koji stg upgraded to 1.13 last night 18:21:11 * pingou looking forward for 3.x in prod 18:21:39 #topic Apprentice Open office hours 18:21:55 Any apprentice here or questions? 18:22:24 if not we can move to open floor and talk with jwboyer 18:23:17 #topic Open Floor 18:23:50 topic: ppc64le OpenQA machine 18:24:16 a while ago, IBM sent a loaner machine for the purposes of getting ppc6le added to OpenQA 18:24:33 apparently they asked why it isn't installed and available today 18:24:48 the machine was sent months ago, so that confuses/concerns me as well 18:24:54 does anyone have info on this? 18:25:21 One of the issues I have run into the past is that IBM will send stuff but never tell us 18:25:30 smooge: that wasn't the case here 18:25:36 I expected so 18:26:04 There was a case of miscommunication, where I thought KEvin was on it, and he thought I was on it. So then last week I tried to work on it after finding that out, and found it didn't reply on serial. 18:27:00 ah.. 18:27:18 So, at this moment I'm waiting on dcops to confirm that they did indeed send the correct information, and if that's the case, if it's turned off. 18:27:20 is it needing one of those special IBM serial connectors? 18:27:49 smooge: no. It was connected to an opengear, just like the others we have. The others work just fine, this one doesn't 18:28:27 jwboyer: so, I'm sorry for dropping the ball on that. I'll try to get more info on this within the coming week 18:28:41 ok 18:28:45 i would appreciate that 18:29:10 is there a better way we can track the addition of hardware? 18:29:25 i'm not sure if tickets were submitted or if it is tracked some other way 18:29:31 I guess ideally we could open an Infra ticket 18:29:45 There is no ticket created by anyone yet, and it's not being tracked anywhere that I know of. 18:30:40 jwboyer: now it is: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6155 18:31:17 jwboyer, so yeah. in the future it would be good for hardware like this to be given a ticket 18:31:37 would you like IBM to open the ticket once they have shipped it? 18:32:08 Maybe it's easier if the community person receiving the machine opens a ticket once they're aware, so we can start planning the rackspace etc 18:32:37 I would go with before hand because we need to be able to say "We can't take it" in the case that happens 18:33:05 +1 for smooge 18:33:14 if we were not doing this move next month that would have been something we would need to do on more hardware 18:33:19 puiterwijk, who's the community person in this case? adamw? or? 18:33:38 jwboyer: I think adamw was the first to know we were going to be sent this? 18:33:39 Well who 'owns' ppc relationship? 18:33:48 puiterwijk, yeah, but sometimes a single machine fulfills multiple people's needs 18:33:53 Basically, whomever knows we'll be getting it 18:33:56 Right 18:34:04 smooge, it depends. 18:34:16 So, in that case, just anyone opens the ticket. The creator doesn't really matter I'd say 18:34:24 jwboyer, Well I expect that is also the answer too :) 18:34:24 ok 18:35:04 if this is about the ppc machine for openqa... 18:35:11 adamw: it is. 18:35:13 i'm not gonna be 'receiving' it, since i have no sort of access to phx2 18:35:24 receiving in the usage sense 18:35:26 ah 18:35:33 then yeah, ultimately that'd be mne 18:36:35 smooge, puiterwijk: ok. we'll keep this in mind going forward. since sharkcz talks with IBM weekly, we can likely get wind of any future needs/additions and get a ticket opened one way or another 18:36:46 but there is always the chance for surprise hardware :) 18:37:05 Right, thanks! 18:37:19 ok thanks. I would appreciate that we know about surprise hardware as we have had IBM upset we didn't use the hardware they forgot was a surprise 18:37:51 alright anything else for open floor? 18:38:15 if not I would like to thank everyone for coming this week and I will make sure to have the invitation for next week early 18:38:23 ++ 18:38:27 * pingou won't be there next week :) 18:39:10 #endmeeting