18:00:12 <smooge> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2018-03-22)
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18:00:12 <smooge> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:12 <smooge> #topic aloha
18:00:12 <smooge> #chair smooge relrod nirik pingou puiterwijk tflink
18:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge tflink
18:00:21 <smooge> hello
18:00:23 <puiterwijk> .hello2
18:00:23 <zodbot> puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick "マルタインアンドレアス" Uiterwijk' <puiterwijk@redhat.com>
18:00:32 <nirik> morning everyone
18:01:16 * jsmith lurks
18:01:45 * relrod here
18:02:11 <smooge> #topic New folks introductions
18:02:11 <smooge> #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves
18:02:33 <smooge> Hello any new people here?
18:02:39 <sapo> Hi.
18:02:44 <smooge> hello sapo
18:02:48 <sapo> I'm a new candidate.
18:03:15 <sapo> I sent a long mail to the list before.
18:03:22 <nirik> hey sapo. welcome again.
18:03:36 <sapo> About myself.
18:03:54 <sapo> I was working as an IT engineer for 18 years.
18:03:57 <nb> .hello2
18:03:58 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone>
18:04:08 <sapo> Then we moved to the US.
18:04:15 <cverna> hello
18:04:15 <sapo> Now I'm working for job.
18:04:32 <cverna> hi sapo welcome
18:04:33 <smooge> Cool. I see you want to work on a infrastructure map
18:04:42 <sapo> Meanwhile I want to do something useful.
18:04:59 <nirik> we can get you added to our apprentice group if you would like... would let you look around some more.
18:05:12 <sapo> Actually I want to work on anything that I'm up to.
18:05:37 <sapo> But right now I'm not to confident.
18:06:11 <sapo> That's why I was thinking on something that I can't break.
18:07:13 <sapo> Also I think that would be a great way for me to learn the infrastructure here.
18:07:16 <nirik> there's tons of tickets you are welcome to look and see if something looks interesting
18:07:35 <nirik> and/or hang out in irc and chime in if people are talking about something that you might want to help on
18:08:53 <sapo> I will be connected to the irc as much as I can to learn
18:09:09 <smooge> cool
18:09:26 <smooge> sapo please pm me your fas id and I will add you to the apprentices group
18:09:58 <sapo> Are there any documentations for new guys that is infra-related and I'm supposed to read?
18:10:10 <ymdatta[m]> Hi
18:10:33 <smooge> I am guessing you have seen https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Apprentice
18:12:26 <smooge> and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
18:12:39 <smooge> nirik, is there anything else for new people to read?
18:13:14 <sapo> Yes, I went through the getting started guide.
18:13:26 <sapo> The Apprentice is new for me.
18:13:31 <sapo> I'll start with that.
18:14:04 <smooge> ok cool. hello ymdatta[m]
18:14:58 <cverna> the infra docs is a good place too https://fedora-infra-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
18:15:02 <cverna> with the SOP gives an idea of what is running in the infra
18:15:12 <ymdatta[m]> o/
18:15:27 <smooge> any other introductions?
18:15:32 <nirik> yeah, the getting started thing on the wiki and apprentice doc and infra-docs... all good
18:16:02 <smooge> #topic announcements and information
18:16:02 <smooge> #info Infrastructure hackfest in april: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Hackathon_2018
18:16:02 <smooge> #info We are in F28 Beta Freeze! All changes to frozen hosts must get +2 on list before being applied - kevin
18:16:02 <smooge> #info Bodhi 3.5.1 update pushed out. This time with more feeeling.
18:16:12 <smooge> Any other announcements for today?
18:16:30 <nirik> we are going to be no-go this week for beta... so freeze goes out another week
18:17:08 <bowlofeggs> so much feeling
18:17:09 <bowlofeggs> .hello2
18:17:10 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <rbarlow@redhat.com>
18:18:27 <smooge> #info Fedora 28Beta is no-go for this week.
18:19:04 <nirik> also I want to do a mass update/reboot cycle on our machines after freeze... more details later.
18:19:23 <smooge> #info Mass update/reboot after freeze is done.
18:20:02 <smooge> #topic Ticket cleanup
18:20:03 <smooge> #info none this week.
18:20:03 <smooge> #topic Moving bots to dedicated channels
18:20:03 <smooge> #info fm-apps and other reporting agents might be better in dedicated channels
18:20:03 <smooge> #info does zodbot need to be in every channel?
18:20:42 <puiterwijk> I'd say zodbot in ever channel is useful. At least in a lot.
18:20:45 <x3mboy> .hello2
18:20:46 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
18:21:00 <puiterwijk> For example, whoowns and fasinfo are pretty useful generically
18:21:27 <smooge> OK I know we keep running into limits of the number of channels and the amount of time it takes to join is getting longer and longer
18:21:47 <nirik> yeah, I don't think we can really move zodbot to a dedicated channel.
18:21:58 <nirik> it does work fine for fedmsg's tho...
18:22:01 <puiterwijk> Right, that problem, sorry. Maybe we can clear it from some channels, I just didn't think that that was this topic
18:22:15 <nirik> well, freenode removed it's channel limit
18:22:18 <smooge> well I was more thinking of fm-apps to another channel
18:22:32 <puiterwijk> Yeah, for fm-apps I'd agree that that might be useful
18:22:34 <nirik> smooge: all the fedmsg ones are per channel already
18:22:37 <puiterwijk> (#fedora-apps-notifs?)
18:22:46 <nirik> fm-apps is only in #fedora-apps
18:23:05 <puiterwijk> nirik: right. I think the problem is more that there's so many notifs by fm-apps that conversations at times become hard to follow. (at least, that's the complaint I heard)
18:23:07 <nirik> or you mean it's too noisy? perhaps we should refine what it notifies on?
18:23:34 <smooge> it is too noisy and I get 2-3 alerts in channels when I update a ticket
18:24:03 <puiterwijk> Well, an example is when you have a big PR that gets reviewed. Then you get often one sometimes two screenfulls worth of github or Pagure notifs
18:24:20 <relrod> yeah that problem is annoying. Getting pinged in 3 channels every time I do anything ;)
18:24:28 <smooge> yeah.. which could happen in the middle of the conversation and so people end up moving back to fedora-admin for the conversation
18:24:44 <nirik> sure, so we should adjust it I would say...
18:24:45 <puiterwijk> The getting pinged is not that much of a problem (at least to me), more the screenfulls worth of notifs
18:25:06 <nirik> the problem is it's weird regexes. ;)
18:25:43 <nirik> topic=[
18:25:44 <nirik> '^((?!(github\.create|github\.issue\.|github\.pull_request|github\.commit_comment|github\.star|pagure)).)*$',
18:25:44 <nirik> ],
18:25:44 <nirik> body=[
18:25:44 <nirik> "^((?!fedora-infra).)*$",
18:25:50 <smooge> anyway, I was thinking it would be something to bring up and look at after freeze. do our bot placements make sense
18:26:06 <smooge> which it seems they do
18:26:22 <nirik> I think the placements are fine, but the rules on what they notify on needs work... but thats just IMHO
18:26:31 * nb thinks zodbot should be basically everywhere
18:26:46 <nb> especially since it's channel limit was raised (it still has one, just one that we are not likely to hit)
18:26:59 <nb> but yeah, the notifs bots sometimes are very chatty
18:27:13 <nirik> the other problem with fedora-apps is that our github org is 'fedora-infra' and also our pagure.io project is 'fedora-infra' so it matches both
18:29:37 <nirik> perhaps we could come up with a list of things we do/do not want there?
18:29:59 <smooge> well I don't know what the fedora-apps people were wanting
18:30:40 <smooge> I am guessing they were interested in seeing how things were going but now its going very very well from the size of my log files
18:30:57 <nirik> well, perhaps a list thread then?
18:31:00 <smooge> yeah.
18:31:17 <smooge> this was more of a "I need something to have in the meeting before open-floor
18:31:24 * nirik notes it's just him and one other person in #fedora-fedmsg-stg :)
18:31:26 <smooge> and it came up in #fedora-apps earlier
18:31:58 <smooge> honestly.. I do not have the information tolerance to sit in a fedmsg channel
18:32:21 <nirik> I mostly ignore it, but it's sometimes handy to see whats going on
18:32:32 <smooge> #topic Apprentice Open office minutes
18:32:32 <smooge> #info A time where apprentices may ask for help or look at problems.
18:32:58 <smooge> Hi this is the time in the meeting where we take questions and such from the floor
18:33:32 <nirik> How much wood would a wood chuck chuck?
18:34:24 <puiterwijk> 2 kg?
18:34:57 <smooge> they are imperial wood chucks
18:35:06 <smooge> #topic open floor
18:35:20 <smooge> and with that I would like to thank the academy for this honour
18:35:44 <smooge> when I was starting out I never thought I would win an Oscar for best Ham Actor
18:36:01 <nb> what is the answer to life, the universe, and everything?
18:36:15 <smooge> 6*9 base 13
18:36:38 <smooge> ok I am going to close out this meeting. thank you all for coming this week
18:36:44 <relrod> thanks smooge
18:36:45 <smooge> #endmeeting