15:59:55 #startmeeting Infrastructure (2021-04-22) 15:59:55 Meeting started Thu Apr 22 15:59:55 2021 UTC. 15:59:55 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:59:55 The chair is mobrien. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:55 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:59:55 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2021-04-22)' 15:59:55 #meetingname infrastructure 15:59:55 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 16:00:00 #chair nirik smooge siddharthvipul mobrien zlopez pingou bodanel dtometzki 16:00:00 Current chairs: bodanel dtometzki mobrien nirik pingou siddharthvipul smooge zlopez 16:00:00 #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra 16:00:06 #info About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/ 16:00:06 #topic aloha 16:00:08 .hi 16:00:09 dtometzki: dtometzki 'Damian Tometzki' 16:00:15 morning 16:00:19 hello 16:00:19 .hi 16:00:20 samyak-jn: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:00:24 .hi 16:00:25 darknao: darknao 'Francois Andrieu' 16:00:30 hello everyone and welcome to this weeks installment of the fedora infra meeting 16:00:34 .hi 16:00:35 mobrien: mobrien 'Mark O'Brien' 16:00:53 .hola 16:00:53 mobrien: (hola ) -- Alias for "hello $1". 16:00:57 .hello humaton 16:00:58 jednorozec: humaton 'Tomáš Hrčka' 16:00:59 .hello 16:01:00 .hi 16:01:01 samyak-jn: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 16:01:04 jcsho: jcsho 'Justin Ho' 16:01:14 .hello zlopez 16:01:15 Zlopez[m]: zlopez 'Michal Konečný' 16:01:27 .hello jnsamyak 16:01:28 samyak-jn: jnsamyak 'Samyak Jain' 16:01:41 Ah, finally :) 16:02:39 looks a good turnout today. I'll give another minute then move on to new folks introduction 16:03:06 hello 16:03:10 .hi 16:03:10 ayustae: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:03:32 .hello ayustae 16:03:32 ayustae: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:03:53 ayustae do you have a fas username? 16:04:09 yes 16:04:34 try .hello 16:04:39 zodbot is still using our old account system, so if you made your account recently it wouldn't find it. ;) 16:05:07 Oh, then my name will not be found 16:05:15 Thank you for the explanation 16:05:29 Ok lets move to the next topic 16:05:31 #topic New folks introductions 16:05:31 #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves 16:05:31 #info Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted 16:05:57 Any new folks like to introduce themselves? 16:06:34 Hi I'm new here! 16:06:54 welcome jcsho 16:06:58 Hi, jcsho o/ 16:07:03 welcome 16:07:16 My name's Justin, 2 years ish of using Fedora for school, recently graduated n want to contribute on my free time 16:07:17 I have been a sysadmin for a couple of decades.  I am a generalist and need to improve my skills in scripting and operating at cloud scale.  https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekbhanks .  I am also currently studying security. 16:07:18 welcome jcsho 16:07:29 I have been using fedora off and on since FC1 16:07:40 Found work in python jenkins n satellite data processing 16:07:53 Nice to meet everyone! 16:08:07 many thanks+ 16:08:19 Really interested in silverblue n currently using a custom build based on martin pittis guide 16:08:33 Welcome Derek71 also 16:08:39 hi, Derek71 o/ 16:08:41 Silverblue++ 16:08:43 Welcome Derek71 16:09:09 welcome everyone! 16:09:41 If you ever need assistance don't hesitate to ask, you'll usually find a helping hand on the #fedora-admin channel 16:10:02 Will do! 16:11:00 ok lets keep the train going next topic .... 16:11:06 ### Determine who the next chair is 16:11:06 #topic Next chair 16:11:06 #info magic eight ball says: 16:11:24 oops didn't mean to copy that first line 16:11:41 #info chair 2021-04-29 - zlopez 16:11:41 chair 2021-05-06 - ??? 16:11:50 I can do it 16:12:02 Thanks dtometzki 16:12:11 I am happy to volunteer for the next chair. 16:12:13 #info chair 2021-05-06 - dtometzki 16:12:33 After, dtometzki! :D 16:13:06 thanks samyak-jn 16:13:14 for me is ok 50-06 or 05-13 16:13:35 #info chair 2021-05-13 - samyak-jn 16:14:01 mobrien[m]: you might be able to tag me with (jnsamyak) nick 16:14:31 roger jnsamyak 16:14:42 :) 16:14:56 #undo 16:14:56 Removing item from minutes: INFO by mobrien at 16:13:35 : chair 2021-05-13 - samyak-jn 16:15:00 #info chair 2021-05-13 - jnsamyak 16:15:34 ok we should be good for chairs, thank you both. Next topic .. 16:15:43 #topic announcements and information 16:15:43 #info CPE Infra&Releng EU-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1030 Europe/paris in #centos-meeting 16:15:49 #info CPE Infra&Releng NA-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-meeting-3 16:15:49 #info work is being done on getting COPR proper powerPC systems 16:15:54 #info final freeze started on April 06th at 1400 UTC 16:16:52 #info F34 final release Go/No Go meeting April23rd 16:17:05 sadly looking pretty nogo right now, but oh well. 16:17:06 anyone have anythiong else to announce 16:17:12 and the party :-) 16:17:16 then 16:17:28 reminder that if release is no-go for next week, we slip a week and we stay in freeze... 16:18:52 #info Fedora Release Party happening 30th April - 1st May https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-34-release-party 16:20:05 Thanks for the link Zlopez I must sign up to that 16:20:19 sorry to be late folks :) 16:20:30 oh hi siddharthvipul 16:20:30 mobrien asked me to go take a nap XD 16:20:34 * nirik should also sign up 16:20:41 +1 mobrien[m], thanks Zlopez[m]! 16:20:58 \o :D 16:20:59 that was 5 hours ago siddharthvipul 16:21:17 mobrien, what now, your naps last less than 5 hours? 16:21:35 siddharthvipul: o/ 16:21:43 samyak-jn, hey, how are you all 16:21:47 siddharthvipul: hi 16:21:48 s/all/all 16:21:58 sorry to interrupt y'all, please continue :P 16:22:29 ok so next topic 16:22:31 * nirik guesses siddharthvipul is on from texas, us today. :) 16:22:43 #topic Oncall 16:22:43 #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall 16:22:54 #info darknao is on call for 2021-04-15 to 2021-04-22 16:22:54 #info mobrien is on call for 2021-04-22 to 2021-04-29 16:23:11 who would like to volunteer for 2021-04-29 to 2021-05-06? 16:23:18 I can 16:23:20 .oncalltakeeu 16:23:20 mobrien: Error: You don't have the alias.add capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 16:23:46 .oncalltakeeu 16:23:47 jednorozec: Error: You don't have the alias.add capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 16:23:55 weird 16:23:57 lets try that again 16:24:00 user identify mobrien Weareplat1 16:24:05 oops 16:24:06 i can do the week after jednorozec 16:24:18 .oncalltakeeu 16:24:18 mobrien: Kneel before zod! 16:24:33 .admin capability add jednorozec alias.add 16:24:33 nirik: Kneel before zod! 16:24:37 try now? 16:24:48 .oncalltakeeu 16:24:48 jednorozec: Error: You don't have the alias.add capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 16:24:55 .admin capability add jednorozec +alias.add 16:24:55 nirik: Kneel before zod! 16:25:02 perhaps it's that. 16:25:04 .oncalltakeeu 16:25:04 jednorozec: Error: You don't have the alias.add capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 16:25:08 if not we can sort it out after meeting 16:25:20 yeah lets do it after the meeting 16:25:28 I always need to authenticate with zodbot 16:25:55 I'm on for this week anyway jednorozec you want to take next week? 16:26:32 yup 16:26:58 i can do the week after jednorozec 16:28:11 #info jednorozec is on call for 2021-04-29 to 2021-05-06 16:28:11 #info dtometzki is on call for 2021-05-06 to 2021-05-13 16:28:46 thank you 16:28:56 #info Summary of last week: (from current oncall ) 16:29:06 not sure is darknao here 16:29:07 not a single ping on my ride 16:29:11 side* 16:29:14 hurray 16:29:17 ah there you are :) 16:29:18 very quiet week 16:29:26 great! 16:29:27 the freeze sometimes is... 16:30:13 ok so 16:30:13 #topic Monitoring discussion [nirik] 16:30:20 #info https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios 16:30:20 #info Go over existing out items and fix 16:30:25 so, mostly same as last week... 16:30:41 but I will note there's several machines we need to add disk space to after the freeze. 16:30:51 in particlar all the container registries are getting full 16:31:20 * nirik has a nice pile of stuff for post freeze. :) 16:31:22 do we ever archive images/layers off them? 16:31:27 anyhow, thats it, lets move on. 16:31:28 Containers, containers everywhere :-D 16:31:46 mobrien: we do prune yeah, but it's still growing over time 16:32:44 I once tried to clean up a registry and accidentally removed a layer that nearly all the other images relied on, luckily I had a local image to fix it :) 16:32:56 fun 16:33:18 Ok you are up again nirik 16:33:20 #topic Learning topic 16:33:20 #info Onboarding process to fedora infra [nirik] on 2021-04-22 16:33:48 so, I didn't really have anything prepped. I figured we could go over what we have, and also get input from new folks on the kind of info they would like us to have. ;) 16:34:05 in the past our onboarding info has been in the wiki... 16:34:08 so we point people to: 16:34:10 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted 16:34:15 which has links to: 16:34:27 tons of other things 16:34:50 as the ticket mobrien filed eariler this week notes, we have docs all over the place. ;( 16:35:08 and I suspect the wiki pages are probibly needing updating. 16:35:43 Yes, we will be looking for help to tidy all that up, just have to make the decision on what goes where first 16:35:44 IMHO, we should look at moving everything to docs.fedoraproject.org... 16:36:03 The instructions on the page was fairly clear, other than getting confused by the ticket link on the meetings page 16:36:34 Still reading through it so I'm happy to help update docs 16:36:34 do we already have a docs space? 16:37:23 I also volunteer to help updating the docs 16:37:44 My main question is: how can the newbies (like myself) get access to the fi-apprentice group? 16:37:52 It is not clear in the documentation 16:38:20 I would second docs.fp.o We would probably need a new section for infra & releng though 16:38:30 ayustae: ask in #fedora-admin basically. ;) But the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Apprentice is also out of date 16:38:54 Thanks 16:39:01 perhaps we could look at getting that setup and then folks could start moving docs over? 16:39:32 nirik and what is the process for the next stage after fi-apprentice 16:39:32 releng also has their own docs space too... 16:39:34 ? 16:39:56 and releng is also out of date 16:40:14 dtometzki: there's no one simple answer to that. :) Usually after being involved for a while and working on things, you would get added to a sysadmin-X group to work directly on that thing 16:40:20 I would be in favour of having infra and releng docs side by side, there is overlapping topics 16:40:23 jednorozec: yeah. 16:40:39 mobrien, +1 16:40:44 mobrien: yeah, I think so too, but I think mboddu wanted them seperate for some things... 16:40:56 I would imagine a good percentage of SOPs specifically are out of date for both 16:41:23 I am updating those in releng as I go through the tasks 16:41:27 one big annoyance with both infra-docs and releng docs is that you have to 'build' them to update the sites and no one usually does... 16:41:47 guilty 16:41:48 so things get fixed/merged, but the 'live' site doesn't have it. 16:41:49 but there is a LOT of outdated or irrelevant content 16:42:00 I thought that they are built automatically 16:42:15 Zlopez[m]: nope. :( you have to build and check into the pagure docs repo 16:42:20 so first we should automate the building to see what the state actually is 16:42:31 well, docs.fedoraproject.org is automated. ;) 16:43:17 There is also a video of how to contribute to docs.fp.o that I really need to publish somewhere 16:43:23 Oh is there any place it's documented (the build process for the same)? 16:43:30 once we get the repo in place, we could also look at a doc a week or something in this meeting... just have a section where we all look at a doc and edit or delete or update it. 16:43:52 +1 for that idea 16:43:58 mobrien[m] Nice, that will be super helpful! 16:44:18 nirik++ 16:44:35 https://docs.pagure.org/pagure/usage/using_doc.html 16:45:23 for me is it a little bit difficult to help i can write a comment to issues or i can say please open a ticket 16:45:25 nirik, thanks for the link and +1 for the idea. 16:45:28 for the meeting we could dump a doc into a board.net or etherpad or whatever and shared edit, then commit it at the end. :) 16:45:42 and in the end you have to do the work 16:46:50 and my question is what is the help here 16:46:53 ? 16:47:11 dtometzki: yeah, it's always been difficult jumping from looking/new to doing deep changes... I am not sure how to make it easier. We could try more to announce tickets, but it's hard to do when we have some many flowing thru 16:47:28 I'm not sure I understand your question fully tho... 16:47:52 jeah you understand it 16:49:00 .hello computerkid 16:49:01 computerkid: computerkid 'Grayson Penland' 16:49:08 i dont know if it is possible to do some changes together and after some time we can do it self 16:49:13 dtometzki: while working on docs together it will help the person with the knowledge write it in a way another will understand while helping the person without that knowledge learn it 16:49:46 yes 16:49:58 dtometzki: if there's particular areas of interest you have, might note those and we can try and work with you on tickets/issues in that area. 16:50:37 so, how about I (or whoever) get the docs repo setup and ready... then we add to the meeting every week 1 doc and outside the meeting we just all work on moving docs over there... 16:50:54 is it ok when contact you and if you have time ? 16:51:13 there was also a suggestion to do a just casual video meeting to meet everyone and put faces to the names... we could try that next week perhaps sometime? 16:51:26 nirik +1 to both ideas 16:51:28 oh great, that would be nice 16:51:37 Nice and nice! 16:51:43 cgret idea nirik 16:51:51 dtometzki: sure, happy to when I am around and have time. ;) just ping in channel and I or mobrien or siddharthvipul or whoever is around can help out. 16:52:18 yes dtometzki I will help where I can 16:52:23 same :) 16:52:48 #info will setup a docs.fedoraproject.org repo for infra and releng docs soon 16:52:49 ok i think we will them a try 16:52:59 ok I think I should open up the floor 16:53:01 #topic Open Floor 16:53:11 #info will try and schedule a video meeting to just say hello next week sometime (schedule on list) 16:53:57 https://pagure.io/infra-docs-fpo/ 16:54:17 speaking of which, there was a note on the board to discuss moving this meeting an hour earlier 16:54:29 what are peoples opinions on this? 16:54:44 I would be definitely +1 to that, but important is to ask nirik :} 16:55:09 for me is ok 16:56:31 I would be +1 on it but either is good 16:57:23 I guess I could... kinda nice to have a meeting thats actually in my work day, but if everyone else wants to move earlier we can. 16:57:47 I hate timezones 16:57:58 yeah, they are horrible for sure 16:58:02 Did we skip the planing of next talks? 16:58:17 yes we did Zlopez 16:58:21 sorry about that 16:58:33 I know that we have one for next week 16:59:08 then we will start next thursday 1h earlier 16:59:28 ? 16:59:50 I think we can do a whenisgood and share it on infra list 16:59:57 there are more people than just who are here 17:00:03 Agreed siddharthvipul 17:00:18 yes 17:00:20 1+ 17:00:25 we will do a very quick new topic then I will end 17:00:31 #topic Ideas for upcoming learning topics 17:00:32 #info Flatpak build chain in Fedora [otaylor] on 2021-04-29 17:00:39 any other suggestions? 17:01:36 we could do one on docs? since we have been talking about docs? 17:01:55 Yes, that would be a good idea 17:02:15 I will put my name next to it and try get something together 17:02:26 nice 17:03:02 #info fedora docs [mobrien] on 2021-05-06 17:03:17 I need to do more of these I can just never think of topics 17:03:54 ok I guess I will close out as we are over time and I can smell dinner :) 17:04:00 #endmeeting