16:00:46 <dtometzki> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2021-09-23) 16:00:46 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 23 16:00:46 2021 UTC. 16:00:46 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:00:46 <zodbot> The chair is dtometzki. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 16:00:46 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:46 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2021-09-23)' 16:00:46 <dtometzki> #meetingname infrastructure 16:00:46 <dtometzki> #chair nirik siddharthvipul mobrien zlopez pingou bodanel dtometzki jnsamyak computerkid 16:00:46 <dtometzki> #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra 16:00:46 <dtometzki> #info About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/ 16:00:46 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 16:00:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: bodanel computerkid dtometzki jnsamyak mobrien nirik pingou siddharthvipul zlopez 16:01:00 <dtometzki> .hi 16:01:01 <zodbot> dtometzki: dtometzki 'Damian Tometzki' <linux@tometzki.de> 16:01:02 <nirik> morning everyone! ahoy 16:01:10 <eddiejennings> .hi 16:01:11 <zodbot> eddiejennings: eddiejennings 'Eddie Jennings' <eddie@eddiejennings.net> 16:01:18 <dtometzki> hi together 16:01:59 <dtometzki> #topic greetings! 16:02:30 <zodbot> lenkaseg: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 16:02:45 <lenkaseg> eh :) 16:03:13 <nirik> hum, did the matrix bridge just restart? 16:03:29 <nirik> lenkaseg: I thought dtometzki was signed up for today? or was it supposed to be you? 16:03:36 <dtometzki> lenkaseg, you are the chair for today 16:03:37 <eddiejennings> Ah, Matrix. Still on my list of things to dive into. 16:03:50 <dtometzki> ? 16:04:16 <lenkaseg> oops, it was dtometzki 16:04:39 <dtometzki> no problem 16:04:42 <lenkaseg> My oncall duty starts tomorrow, so I was feeling active :) 16:05:08 <lenkaseg> I mean it was probably not me who is supposed to chair 16:05:33 <dtometzki> lets go forward to the next topic and say hello to the new people 16:05:40 <Southern_Gentlem> you did it so it yours 16:05:59 <dtometzki> #topic New folks introductions 16:05:59 <dtometzki> #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves 16:05:59 <dtometzki> #info Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted 16:06:21 <lenkaseg> ok then! (and sorry for interference) 16:06:36 <lenkaseg> #topic New folks introductions 16:06:51 <dtometzki> no issue we ned some peoplefor other dates :-) 16:07:31 <lenkaseg> now I'm not sure if I can start the meeting from matrix.. 16:07:58 <dtometzki> do you want do it lenkaseg ? 16:08:00 <zodbot> lenkaseg: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 16:08:28 <nirik> It's already started. ;) 16:08:36 <lenkaseg> Is the meeting really started? 16:08:38 <dtometzki> you can take over with the topic new folks if you want ? 16:08:40 <Southern_Gentlem> dtometzki, started one at the top of the air 16:09:38 <dtometzki> please do it lenkaseg your show now 16:10:16 <nirik> I don't think we have any new folks today... but perhaps they just haven't spoken 16:10:33 <dtometzki> yes 16:11:26 <dtometzki> lenkaseg ?! 16:12:38 <dtometzki> no answer then i will do it and we go to the next topic 16:12:42 <dtometzki> #topic Next chair 16:12:42 <dtometzki> #info magic eight ball says: 16:12:42 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-09-23 - dtometzki 16:12:42 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-09-30 - mobrien 16:12:42 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-10-07 - darknao 16:13:08 <dtometzki> anyone for 2021-10-14 ? 16:13:11 <lenkaseg> @dtometzki Could you please take over? I see the messages terribly delayed... 16:13:37 <eddiejennings> I can do 10/14 16:14:03 <dtometzki> #info chair 2021-10-14 - eddiejennings 16:14:08 <dtometzki> thanks 16:14:13 <eddiejennings> :D 16:14:37 <dtometzki> #topic announcements and information 16:14:38 <dtometzki> #info CPE Infra&Releng EU-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1030 Europe/paris in #centos-meeting 16:14:38 <dtometzki> #info CPE Infra&Releng NA-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-meeting-3 16:14:38 <dtometzki> #info If your team wants support from the Fedora Program Management Team, file an isssue: https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/pgm_team/issues?template=support_request 16:14:39 <dtometzki> #info Fedora 35 Beta freeze is now in effect 2021-08-24 -> 2021-09-21 16:14:41 <dtometzki> #info Fedora 35 Beta is NO-GO, today GO/NO-GO meeting is cancelled 16:14:57 <dtometzki> Fedora 35 works fine on my workstation and on aws 16:15:06 <dtometzki> :-) 16:15:12 <nirik> actually that last info is from last week. 16:15:22 <nirik> there is a GO/NO-GO meeting later this morning. ;) 16:16:04 <dtometzki> #info Fedora 35 Beta is NO-GO, today GO/NO-GO meeting is today 2021-09-23 16:16:09 <Southern_Gentlem> and beta freeze is to next tuesday 16:16:11 <dtometzki> #info Fedora 35 Beta is NO-GO, today GO/NO-GO meeting is today 2021-09-23 16:16:12 <eddiejennings> When F35 comes out, I intend to wipe / reinstall on my System76 laptop and give KDE proper 6 month trial :D 16:16:16 * lenkaseg considering to return to hexchat, matrix is behaving funny 16:16:41 <zlopez> I forgot to remove the info 16:17:03 <dtometzki> #info Fedora 35 Beta freeze is now in effect 2021-08-24 -> 2021-09-28 16:17:24 <nirik> lenkaseg: the bridge is having issues for some reason. ;( it had been stable quite a while until now. 16:17:47 <nirik> the beta freeze might be longer depending on if we are go or nogo 16:18:04 <kk4ewt[m]> lenkaseg: get on the fedora.im server seems to be fine 16:18:39 <dtometzki> #undo 16:18:39 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by dtometzki at 16:17:03 : Fedora 35 Beta freeze is now in effect 2021-08-24 -> 2021-09-28 16:20:04 <dtometzki> #info Fedora 35 Beta freeze is now in effect 2021-08-24 -> open depending on the dicision 16:20:49 <dtometzki> #topic Oncall 16:20:50 <dtometzki> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall 16:20:50 <dtometzki> #info https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/day_to_day_fedora/ 16:20:50 <dtometzki> #info eddiejennings oncall for 2021-09-17 2021-09-23 16:20:50 <dtometzki> #info lenkaseg on call from 2021-09-24 to 2021-09-30 16:20:50 <dtometzki> #info dtometzki on call from 2021-10-01 to 2021-10-07 16:20:52 <dtometzki> ## .oncalltakeeu .oncalltakeus 16:21:27 <dtometzki> anyone for the week from 10-07 until 10-14 ? 16:21:46 <eddiejennings> During the week I was notified about one issue with Koji, which ended up being an issue with our proxy servers. Lord nirik used his vast sysadmin powers to mitigate the problem. 16:22:25 <dtometzki> hey thanks nirik and eddiejennings 16:22:58 <dtometzki> lenkaseg, please takeover is your week 16:23:28 <nirik> yeah, that proxy issue was really anoying, but hopefully it's fixed now. 16:23:38 <dtometzki> #info Summary of last week: (from current oncall ) 16:23:38 <dtometzki> #topic Monitoring discussion [nirik] 16:23:38 <dtometzki> #info https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios 16:23:38 <dtometzki> #info Go over existing out items and fix 16:23:42 <eddiejennings> Thought the hand off was tomorrow, since technically I'm on duty _through_ today. 16:24:17 <dtometzki> nirik your part 16:24:39 <nirik> nothing too exciting different on monitoring this week... 16:24:52 <nirik> we have one down machine that has networking issues, need to talk to networking folks about it. 16:24:59 <nirik> otherwise just the usual stuff. 16:25:08 <nirik> We can move on, unless there's questions... 16:25:10 <dtometzki> ok 16:25:35 <dtometzki> for today we have no learning topic 16:25:37 <dtometzki> #topic Upcoming learning topics 16:25:37 <dtometzki> #info 2021-09-30 - infrastructure repository tour [mkonecny] 16:25:37 <dtometzki> #info 2021-10-14 - How to communicate with Fedora infrastructure team [mkonecny] 16:26:00 <dtometzki> then i would say we do some 16:26:19 <dtometzki> #topic Fedora Infra backlog refinement 16:26:19 <dtometzki> #info Refine oldest tickets on https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues 16:26:33 <dtometzki> Is that ok ? 16:26:58 <zlopez> Yes, we don't have a talk for today, so let's go to refinement 16:27:02 <eddiejennings> Yep. We did learning last week, so old tickets this week 16:27:06 <nirik> sure 16:27:30 <zlopez> .ticket 8381 16:27:31 <zodbot> zlopez: Issue #8381: staging wiki auth from openqa-stg01.qa fails - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8381 16:28:22 <nirik> As far as I know this is still happening. I think it needs looking through again to see what could be going on. 16:28:37 <nirik> I've just not found it high priority. 16:28:55 <nirik> but perhaps we could schedule a time and have several of us go through it? 16:29:36 <zlopez> This will be nice, maybe somebody from fi-apprentice group would like to assist you 16:30:08 <dtometzki> nirik i can assist you if you want ? 16:30:09 <nirik> I'll see about scheduling a time next week and interested people can join ? 16:30:22 <eddiejennings> That's probably the best approach 16:30:22 <nirik> sure. I think having more eyes on it could help... 16:30:26 <dtometzki> do you send an mail 16:30:32 <dtometzki> ? 16:30:35 <nirik> I can... will mail the list? 16:31:04 <dtometzki> perfect then we will go the next topic ? 16:31:04 * nirik adds a note to do that. 16:31:13 <nirik> +1 next 16:31:26 <zlopez> nirik: Sending a mail to list looks like best way to organize this 16:31:48 <zlopez> .ticket 9549 16:31:49 <zodbot> zlopez: Issue #9549: Tor hidden service for update metadata - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9549 16:31:58 <zlopez> Next ticket 16:32:22 <nirik> so, on this one I was hoping someone would investigate and tell us whats involved in setting this up... 16:32:39 <nirik> I have never messed with tor hidden services, so I am not sure whats involved. 16:32:56 <eddiejennings> I konw what TOR is, but have never used it :( 16:33:07 <dtometzki> too 16:33:08 <nirik> anyone interested in investigating this and reporting back to the group? 16:33:56 <eddiejennings> Being as the IPv6 and DNS thing is basically done until the freeze is lifted, I can try to figure it out 16:34:00 <dtometzki> in my opinion we can close it 16:34:46 <zlopez> dtometzki: Why do you think we should close it? 16:34:59 <nirik> eddiejennings: that would be great! 16:35:19 * eddiejennings nods. 16:35:29 <eddiejennings> I'll see what I can find out. Assign the ticket to me if you want. 16:36:02 <zlopez> eddiejennings: It's yours 16:36:26 <eddiejennings> :D 16:36:27 <nirik> I suspect (but do not know) that it might just be some dns settings that are easy to do... but it might be much more, I just don't know. If we can easily support it that would be great... 16:37:05 <zlopez> Next ticket 16:37:15 <zlopez> .ticket 7377 16:37:17 <zodbot> zlopez: Issue #7377: SSH keys length can prevent user from login in Fedora infrastructure - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/7377 16:37:51 <zlopez> The last comment there is from nirik, asking about thoughts 16:38:03 <nirik> so, this is blocked on pagure using OIDC instead of openid, which is blocked on ipsilon supporting scopes per project. 16:38:34 <nirik> and yeah. those are the options I see. 16:38:40 <zlopez> Do we plan to do it soon TM? 16:38:56 <zlopez> Updating the ipsilon? 16:39:03 <nirik> currently, I don't think we have anyone working on the ipsilon changes. 16:39:29 * nirik wonders if keycloak supports this. 16:39:57 <nirik> this is the ipsilon issue: https://pagure.io/ipsilon/issue/307 16:40:44 <zlopez> I see that the ipsilon needs some love :-/ 16:41:02 <zlopez> There are years old PR not merged 16:41:10 <nirik> yep. ;( 16:41:30 <nirik> I know abompard made some changes not long back... 16:41:44 <zlopez> Could this be a mini initiative? 16:41:47 <nirik> but otherwise it's patrick and neal and they are both super busy on other thigns. 16:42:01 <nirik> could be... 16:42:13 <nirik> or expanded to 'move all our apps off openid' 16:42:33 <nirik> the ones left are the troublesome ones tho... like I think badges... 16:43:08 <zlopez> I see only few of them 16:43:36 <zlopez> FMN, PDC, mirrormanager, bodhi, noggin from critical ones 16:43:42 <zlopez> Not sure about noggin 16:44:31 <nirik> yeah, shouldnt be using openid there anywhere. 16:44:43 <nirik> copr perhaps? 16:45:11 <zlopez> But there are few that we don't maintain like badges, wiki/moin, mailman3, COPR 16:45:24 <nirik> wiki is not openid anymore. 16:45:42 <zlopez> So it's using OIDC now? 16:45:58 <nirik> yep. 16:46:32 <zlopez> Updated in our tech debt :-) 16:46:54 <nirik> so not sure here... mini iniative to move apps we control to OIDC? 16:47:23 <zlopez> I think this sounds like a nice mini initiative 16:47:42 <zlopez> I will create a ticket for it 16:47:43 <nirik> the ipsilon changes might be the hardest thing for pagure. 16:48:05 <nirik> but if someone can get a few minutes of patrick time he might be able to help them 16:48:10 <zlopez> I understand 16:48:27 <nirik> what do we do with this ticket? leave it? 16:49:11 <zlopez> I will link it to the mini initiative ticket and close it 16:49:20 <nirik> ok. sounds fine to me. 16:49:51 <zlopez> Do we want to go to another ticket or move to open floor 16:50:13 <zlopez> ? 16:50:15 <dtometzki> i think we move to open floor 16:50:20 <dtometzki> ok ? 16:50:59 * nirik is fine either way. ;) 16:51:55 <dtometzki> Let´s go to the last topic 16:51:59 <dtometzki> #topic Open Floor 16:52:23 <dtometzki> any open floor questions, information ? 16:52:50 <nirik> our matrix server setup is going along nicely... folks can try it out at https://chat.fedoraproject.org/ if they want... 16:52:53 <lenkaseg_> I'll use open floor to to say sorry for the confusion! I didn't see almost any messages, thus I was tyring to start the memeting and such 16:53:32 <nirik> lenkaseg_: totally not your fault. The bridge was just being flaky. It looks like they restarted it now, so hopefully it's working again... 16:53:43 <dtometzki> i got a message from the lbera server *** Message to #fedora-meeting-3 throttled due to flooding 16:54:22 <dtometzki> :-) 16:54:31 <lenkaseg_> nirik: not yet I think. I'm writing from hexchat now, and on matrix I keep receiving messages from more than 10 mins ago. 16:54:53 <dtometzki> ohh ok 16:55:12 <kk4ewt[m]> lenkaseg: try the link nirik gave 16:55:35 <eddiejennings> I may try that link rather than build my own matrix server and federate. That way I can get used to the chat medium then later on learn to administer it 16:55:43 <lenkaseg_> I'm not registered on hexchat as lenkaseg, so I'll try to figure it out and then take the oncall 16:55:56 <lenkaseg_> it's just running the oncalltakeeu command, right? 16:56:32 <dtometzki> yes 16:56:45 <nirik> lenkaseg_: yeah, but to do that you have to register an account with zodbot and get some perms added. 16:57:14 <Southern_Gentlem> i am only seeing about 1 sec delay between this room and chat.fedoraproject.org 16:57:18 <zlopez> lenkaseg_: You are not registered on libera.chat? 16:57:48 <lenkaseg_> nirik: or maybe I can type the command in matrix, it will pass sooner or later, no? :) 16:58:08 <zlopez> I think you just need to register your libera.chat account with zodbot and it should work 16:58:26 <nirik> sure. :) to register open a conversation with zodbot and do 'misc help register' and it should tell you how to register an account. 16:58:39 <lenkaseg_> I think I am, but from my personal laptop. I'll need to get there and check my pass manager there. 16:58:43 <nirik> zodbot cares not at all about libera.net accounts. It has it's own accounts locally. 16:58:50 <dtometzki> How i can change my home server n my mobile app 16:58:55 <zlopez> nirik: Nice to know 16:59:29 <nirik> dtometzki: logout if you are on matrix.org or whatever and pass it 'fedoraproject.org' and it will discover everything or 'fedora.im' would also work. 16:59:42 <nirik> it will ask you to sign in with your fedora account 17:00:06 * eddiejennings needs to head out. 17:00:15 <eddiejennings> Thanks for running the show dtometzki ! :D 17:00:20 <eddiejennings> dtometzki++ 17:00:20 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Karma for dtometzki changed to 9 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:00:26 <Southern_Gentlem> go/nogo in #fedora-meeting now 17:00:42 <nirik> thanks dtometzki 17:00:49 <dtometzki> many thanks the i will close the meeting 17:00:56 <zlopez> thanks dtometzki 17:01:08 <zlopez> dtometzki++ 17:01:16 <dtometzki> #endmeeting