16:00:14 <eddiejennings> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2021-10-21)
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16:00:16 <Leo[m]1234> what channel is this on irc?
16:00:25 <eddiejennings> fedora-meeting-3
16:00:42 <Leo[m]1234> thx
16:00:42 <eddiejennings> #meetingname infrastructure
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16:00:51 <eddiejennings> #chair
16:00:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: eddiejennings
16:01:07 <eddiejennings> #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra
16:01:28 <eddiejennings> #info About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/
16:01:37 <eddiejennings> #topic greetings!
16:01:41 <eddiejennings> .hello
16:01:41 <zodbot> eddiejennings: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
16:01:48 <eddiejennings> .hi
16:01:48 <zodbot> eddiejennings: eddiejennings 'Eddie Jennings' <eddie@eddiejennings.net>
16:01:59 <leothecat> hey! :)
16:02:13 <leothecat> on irc now
16:02:23 <mkonecny> .hello zlopez
16:02:24 <zodbot> mkonecny: zlopez 'Michal Konecny' <michal.konecny@psmail.xyz>
16:02:26 <eddiejennings> Welcome all!
16:02:34 <petebuffon> .hello petebuffon
16:02:35 <rastlinux> hi
16:02:35 <zodbot> petebuffon: petebuffon 'Peter Buffon' <pabuffon@gmail.com>
16:02:37 <leothecat> this is my first weekly meeting ;)
16:02:37 <nirik> morning
16:02:39 <austinpowered> .hello austinpowered
16:02:40 <zodbot> austinpowered: austinpowered 'T.C. Williams' <fedoraproject@wootenwilliams.com>
16:02:42 <darknao> .hi
16:02:43 <zodbot> darknao: darknao 'Francois Andrieu' <darknao@drkn.ninja>
16:02:48 <pmoura> .hello phsmoura
16:02:50 <zodbot> pmoura: phsmoura 'Pedro Moura' <moura.pedro123@gmail.com>
16:03:05 <eddiejennings> #topic New folks introductions
16:03:18 <eddiejennings> #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves
16:03:20 <eddiejennings> #info Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
16:03:30 <eddiejennings> Who all is new to Fedora-Infra? :D
16:03:32 <leothecat> hey :)
16:03:37 <leothecat> me :D
16:03:41 <eddiejennings> Tell us a little about yourself.
16:04:04 <lenkaseg> .hello lenkaseg
16:04:05 <zodbot> lenkaseg: lenkaseg 'Lenka Segura' <lenka@sepu.cz>
16:04:18 <leothecat> i've been using linux for a while, and have been using fedora too.
16:04:24 <leothecat> i know python and like it a lot.
16:04:29 <leothecat> happt to be here ;)
16:04:50 <eddiejennings> Welcome to the project! :D
16:04:55 <leothecat> thanks
16:04:56 <lenkaseg> Welcome leothecat
16:05:04 <petebuffon> welcome :)
16:05:07 <mkonecny> leothecat: Thanks for the issue and welcome
16:05:17 <nirik> welcome leothecat
16:05:24 <eddiejennings> Anyone else here who's new or is at their first meeting?
16:05:24 <leothecat> :) thx
16:05:29 <austinpowered> welcome leothecat
16:06:02 <leothecat> i'm still looking around :D so much infrastructure
16:06:31 <eddiejennings> Looks like leothecat is our only new person this week.
16:06:31 <pmoura> welcome leothecat
16:06:38 <eddiejennings> Moving along.
16:06:46 <eddiejennings> #topic Next Chair
16:07:05 <eddiejennings> #info magic eight ball says:
16:07:07 <eddiejennings> #info chair 2021-10-21 - eddiejennings
16:07:09 <eddiejennings> #info chair 2021-10-28 - petebuffon
16:07:11 <eddiejennings> ##info chair 2021-11-04 -  ???
16:07:17 <eddiejennings> Volunteer for November 4th?
16:07:24 <leothecat> :o
16:07:59 <lenkaseg> I could!
16:08:10 <eddiejennings> Sold!
16:08:12 <leothecat> i would but this is my first week so i'll wait ;)
16:08:28 <eddiejennings> #info chair 2021-11-04 - lenkaseg
16:08:42 <eddiejennings> Yeah, get you feet wet first.  There's plenty of time to chair :D
16:08:43 <lenkaseg> I'll try from hexchat, not to be 10 mind delayed ;)
16:09:07 <eddiejennings> Anyone for Nov. 11th?
16:09:26 <eddiejennings> I think we try to stay 2 - 3 weeks ahead, so if no one now, that's not a problem.
16:10:45 <eddiejennings> Hearning none, we move along.
16:10:56 <eddiejennings> #topic announcements and information
16:11:18 <eddiejennings> #info CPE Infra&Releng EU-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1030 Europe/paris in #centos-meeting
16:11:20 <eddiejennings> #info CPE Infra&Releng NA-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-meeting-3
16:11:32 <leothecat> cool
16:11:38 <eddiejennings> #info If your team wants support from the Fedora Program Management Team, file an isssue: https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/pgm_team/issues?template=support_request
16:11:52 <eddiejennings> #info Fedora 35 Beta was released on 2021-09-28
16:11:54 <eddiejennings> #info Fedora 35 Final freeze is in effect
16:12:22 <eddiejennings> Any other announcements / trivia / information that needs to be posted?
16:12:41 <nirik> #info f35 go/no-go meeting right after this one at 17UTC today
16:13:01 <leothecat> nice
16:13:04 <nirik> #info tomorrow is a Red Hat recharge day, many RH folks will not be around
16:14:01 <eddiejennings> Both are noted.  go/no-go meeting available for public observation?
16:14:23 <nirik> yep. anyone welcome to attend and chime in.
16:14:30 <eddiejennings> #fedora-meeting-3 I assume?
16:15:18 <nirik> I think it's in #fedora-meeting
16:15:21 * nirik looks
16:15:35 <nirik> yeah.
16:15:49 <eddiejennings> noted.  Any other announcements?
16:17:07 <eddiejennings> Hearning none, merrily we roll along
16:17:15 <eddiejennings> #topic Oncall
16:17:38 <eddiejennings> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall
16:17:40 <eddiejennings> #info https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/day_to_day_fedora/
16:17:42 <eddiejennings> #info eddiejennings on call from 2021-10-14 to 2021-10-21
16:17:44 <eddiejennings> #info nirik on call from 2021-10-21 to 2021-10-28
16:17:46 <eddiejennings> ## .oncalltakeeu .oncalltakeus
16:17:54 <nirik> .oncalltakeus
16:17:54 <zodbot> nirik: Kneel before zod!
16:17:58 <eddiejennings> Volunteers for 2021-10-28 to 11-4
16:18:18 <eddiejennings> So my shift ends at the meeting rather than on Friday?
16:19:04 <eddiejennings> I suppose so.  <-- ought to read the agenda carefully :P
16:19:19 <nirik> yeah, usually we switch at meeting unless there's a reason not to
16:19:35 <eddiejennings> We will need someone for 10/28 - 11/4
16:20:06 <eddiejennings> as well as 11/4 - 11/11
16:20:17 <leothecat> probably not me ;)
16:20:23 <darknao> i can take next week
16:20:27 <nirik> well, I would, but... I'm already doing it this week. ;)
16:20:44 <eddiejennings> Sold!  10/18 - 11/4 to darknao
16:20:56 <leothecat> what does on call do specifically?
16:21:01 <leothecat> just wondering
16:21:21 <eddiejennings> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall
16:21:27 <leothecat> thx
16:21:44 <eddiejennings> From what I've understood, you monitor this and #fedora-noc for problems.  And respond to people that use .oncall
16:22:01 <eddiejennings> If you can fix the thing, great, else, have them create an issue ticket.
16:22:12 <leothecat> cool.
16:22:30 <eddiejennings> Idea = central point for pings, rather than all of infra being pinged for everything
16:22:37 <leothecat> makes sense
16:22:54 <eddiejennings> I'll take 11/4 - 11/11
16:24:02 <eddiejennings> #info darknao on call from 2021-10-28 to 2021-11-04
16:24:04 <eddiejennings> #info eddiejennings on call from 2021-11-04 to 2021-11-11
16:24:20 <eddiejennings> #info Summary of last week: (from current oncall)
16:24:25 <eddiejennings> Last week was pretty quiet.
16:24:42 <leothecat> yep
16:24:51 <eddiejennings> There was an issue with I think apps.fedoraproject.org delivering 503 errors, but it seems to be intermittent.
16:25:08 <leothecat> i filed a ticket
16:25:10 <eddiejennings> I think someone, maybe leothecat, the was going to make an official ticket about it, so it's on our radar
16:25:16 <leothecat> that part of the site is being replaced anyway
16:25:18 <eddiejennings> Excellent.  Thank you!
16:26:04 <eddiejennings> And now, the floor is Nirik's for . . .
16:26:06 <eddiejennings> #topic Monitoring discussion [nirik]
16:26:19 <eddiejennings> #info https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios
16:26:21 <eddiejennings> #info Go over existing out items and fix
16:26:24 <nirik> not much change since last week I don't think, lets see...
16:26:59 <nirik> we have 3 down arm builders... but turns out someone is onsite this week, so I asked them to power cycle them. Hopefully they will get time to do so.
16:27:44 <nirik> there's some rabbitmq queues that are growing. I will ask ci folks to look into those...
16:28:47 <leothecat> onsite :o
16:29:16 <eddiejennings> Thanks nirik!  Any other items?
16:29:23 <nirik> I think thats about it, the rest is small stuff thats been there for a while.
16:29:27 <nirik> move on.. ;)
16:30:12 <eddiejennings> Since we had a learning topic last week, this week we'll discuss our ticket backlog.
16:30:27 <nirik> fun fun.
16:30:32 <eddiejennings> Before we do, there are two business items that need to be addressed.
16:30:54 <leothecat> buisness?
16:30:55 <eddiejennings> First, is the next learning topic.
16:31:26 <eddiejennings> Last one I have on the agenda was from last week 10/14.  Does anyone have a topic that interests them or wants to present on 10/28?
16:31:56 <leothecat> the aws thing interests me
16:32:00 * nirik is happy to talk on things, but what topics interest folks?
16:32:52 <nirik> I could do a short aws intro thing... or we could sign mobrien up for it. ;)
16:33:28 <leothecat> btw the list got a reply on the aws thing
16:33:30 <leothecat> aws intro?
16:33:56 <eddiejennings> One I think would be worthwhile would be more of a discussion than learning topic: "Welcome new apprentice to Fedora Infrastructure.  There's nothing in easyfix.  So here's a path to follow to start contributing."
16:34:08 <nirik> yeah, as a learning topic, explain how we use aws and how it's integrated currently and such
16:34:22 <eddiejennings> +1 to aws intro
16:34:35 <nirik> eddiejennings: yeah, it's a tough one, but I'm always happy to discuss and come up with better ways .
16:34:48 <pmoura> +1 to aws intro
16:34:50 <leothecat> yeah aws intro would be nice
16:35:06 <eddiejennings> Now that I'm not 100% green anymore (maybe just 99% green), I can contribute some ideas :D
16:35:31 <leothecat> btw David Duncan replied to the aws list
16:35:41 <eddiejennings> nirik would you want to do the AWS Intro or are you going to strongarm mobrien to do it? ;)
16:35:46 <leothecat> nice
16:36:02 <nirik> eddiejennings: put me down and I can ask him if he would rather do it... and we can adjust it.
16:36:10 * nirik hasn't read email yet today, been in meetings.
16:36:53 <eddiejennings> #info 2021-10-28 - Introduction to AWS and Fedora Infrastructure [nirik]
16:36:56 <eddiejennings> for learning topics
16:37:16 <eddiejennings> Ok, now on to the fun stuff
16:37:25 <eddiejennings> #topic Fedora Infra backlog refinement
16:37:27 <eddiejennings> #info Refine oldest tickets on https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues
16:37:48 <eddiejennings> First up (sorted by last modified -- oldest first)
16:37:52 <eddiejennings> .ticket 8291
16:37:53 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Issue #8291: Fedora messaging - Translation platform topics review - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8291
16:38:21 <nirik> well, we already talked about this one... :)
16:38:25 <eddiejennings> I'm pretty sure almost all of these really old ones have some kind of blocker
16:38:33 <eddiejennings> Yep.
16:38:35 <eddiejennings> Moving along.
16:38:38 <nirik> we need a better way to know where we are in the backlog discussion
16:38:49 <nirik> mkonecny: did you have a list?
16:39:17 <mkonecny> nirik: No, but we should at least ping the reporter to ask if this is still relevant
16:39:48 <eddiejennings> Agreed.  Original ticket wasw opened 2 years ago
16:39:55 <nirik> ok, well, on this one the reporter was waiting for us to implement acls on messages, which is waiting on us upgrading ansible,...
16:39:56 <leothecat> jeez that's 2y old
16:40:22 <nirik> sure, we can ask if it's still wanted...
16:40:48 <nirik> sometimes tickets are not easy to do and have a pile of blockers...
16:40:48 <leothecat> when are we upgrading ansible and whats blocking it?
16:40:52 <mkonecny> It's possible that this is not relevant anymore
16:41:18 <eddiejennings> Noted, and on these tickets.  If there's something that you're involved in (such as that one ticket about the cron job for me), try to give it a comment every once in a while.
16:41:25 <mkonecny> leothecat:  https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10287
16:41:33 <nirik> we are upgrading ansible probibly in the next few months, and blocking it is determining how we want to handle collections and testing all our playbooks for compatibility.
16:41:40 <leothecat> ah k
16:41:50 * nirik can ask on the ticket.
16:41:58 <eddiejennings> Ready for the next?
16:42:01 <leothecat> we would need to upgrade for aws integration as well :P
16:42:03 <leothecat> iirc
16:42:11 <mkonecny> nirik: So we can at least add the current state to ticket, so it's updated
16:42:31 <eddiejennings> .ticket 9681
16:42:33 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Issue #9681: Install Openshift on AWS for Fedora CI - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9681
16:43:04 <leothecat> still blocked by the account changes by davdunc looks like?
16:43:34 <nirik> this was blocked on that, but turns out he can't make those changes, so now we are asking openshift team if they can suggest any workaround.
16:43:49 <leothecat> ah k
16:43:58 <davdunc> leothecat: we are looking at workarounds -- like nirik beat me to punch. :D
16:44:09 <leothecat> cool
16:44:16 <leothecat> so we're waiting on that
16:44:27 <eddiejennings> Next ticket
16:44:31 * nirik updates the ticket
16:44:35 <eddiejennings> .ticket 5478
16:44:36 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Issue #5478: Establishing a new FAS group for Python-SIG - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5478
16:44:46 <eddiejennings> The blocker here is the updating of the Mailmain appplication.
16:44:52 * nirik nods. ;(
16:45:01 <eddiejennings> I doubt anyone has had any time to look at that.
16:45:08 <leothecat> oh that python-sig group thing
16:45:49 <nirik> well, there's another ticket for it, but it's... hard to package.
16:46:01 <eddiejennings> This is the aformentioned ticket
16:46:06 <eddiejennings> .ticket 8455
16:46:08 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Issue #8455: Move mailman to newer release of Fedora or CentOS - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8455
16:46:10 <nirik> yep
16:46:21 <leothecat> doesn't seem super easy :P
16:46:49 <eddiejennings> Moving along to next in the backlog
16:46:54 <eddiejennings> .ticket 9882
16:46:55 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Issue #9882: [Pagure] [database] Change group name/ID from "WebDev SIG" to "Websites & Apps" - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9882
16:47:19 * rastlinux stepping away. work calls
16:47:30 <nirik> so, this has to be done in the db... pingou sent me info on how to do it... but I haven't tried.
16:47:50 <leothecat> so in progress
16:47:52 <nirik> but there's some confusion there, because we cant just rename it because they went and made the new name too
16:49:04 <nirik> I can talk with ryan about it and come up with a plan.
16:49:10 <eddiejennings> Sounds good
16:49:12 <leothecat> cool
16:49:17 <eddiejennings> Next ticket in the backlog
16:49:29 <eddiejennings> .ticket 9543
16:49:30 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Issue #9543: Please Koschei auto-track all my and @python-sig packages - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9543
16:50:35 <nirik> lets ask if it's done? I am not sure what state it's actually in
16:50:39 <leothecat> not sure what the status is on that one
16:50:40 <leothecat> yeh
16:51:04 <eddiejennings> I'll add a comment to the ticket asking
16:51:10 <nirik> I just did. ;)
16:51:34 <eddiejennings> See?  I just mention something and it happens!  Unlimited Power! XD
16:51:49 <eddiejennings> last backlog before we go to open-discussion
16:52:02 <eddiejennings> .ticket 9692
16:52:04 <zodbot> eddiejennings: Issue #9692: STG: Move bvmhosts to new server - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9692
16:52:40 <nirik> I think mobrien was going to work on this, but it fell off his radar? might ping him on it.
16:53:09 <mkonecny> nirik: Yeah, it's hard to keep track of everything
16:53:13 <eddiejennings> Noted.
16:53:28 <eddiejennings> Thus endeth the backlog.
16:53:35 <eddiejennings> #topic Open Floor
16:53:48 <nirik> very. ;( might be worth coming up with some kind of process to help... like check XYZ, then ABC, then pr's, then apps, or something
16:54:07 <eddiejennings> Open floor is for anything not covered that ought to be of interest.
16:54:37 <leothecat> uhh
16:54:47 <eddiejennings> I saw earlier either in #fedora-admin or mentioned in the daily standup something about trying to consolidate our docs / SOPs into one place.
16:54:58 <leothecat> yep
16:55:01 <eddiejennings> Am I mistaken or is that a thing that's being planned?
16:55:03 <nirik> yep. there's a ticket for that(tm)
16:55:21 <mkonecny> nirik: This is a good idea
16:55:39 <mkonecny> Maybe worth sharing with whole Infra & Releng team
16:55:44 <eddiejennings> If there is a ticket, I'll be happy to add myself to the contributors for it.  I'm trying to push for the same kind of thing where I work now.
16:55:54 <eddiejennings> I'm a walking GitLab advertisement at work :P
16:56:03 <leothecat> haha
16:56:42 <nirik> .ticket 9892
16:56:43 <zodbot> nirik: Issue #9892: Centralise and update Fedora infra and releng SOPs - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/9892
16:56:52 <leothecat> other than the aws thing not much to discuss from me ;)
16:56:58 <nirik> so, we already have done some of this, we moved infra-docs to docs.fp.o...
16:57:27 <nirik> but docs really need working on. ;)
16:57:36 <nirik> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra/
16:57:50 <leothecat> yep
16:57:57 <leothecat> the old docs are really outdated
16:58:04 <mkonecny> And we still need to redirect people to the new docs
16:58:11 <nirik> yep.
16:58:13 <mkonecny> And add RelEng SOP
16:58:22 <eddiejennings> I imagine the general preference is having a wiki-like page, rather than the docs being markdown documents within a Pagure (or other) repo?
16:58:32 <nirik> we may want to schedule a working session to gather and work on it
16:58:37 <nirik> that would let us discuss things that come up
16:58:58 <nirik> eddiejennings: we were using the wiki, for some, but we are moving away from that to a git repo of docs.
16:59:20 <nirik> wiki / infra-docs / releng docs -> docs.fedoraproject.org via git
16:59:35 <eddiejennings> Using a git repo is my preference.  Seems like it's easier to edit and control
17:00:07 <nirik> it's easier to do changes over the entire collection at once... and easier to review changes
17:00:28 <nirik> wiki -> where information kills itself
17:00:34 <eddiejennings> I'll take a look at that ticket and make some comments on it.  I agree a planning meeting / work session would be the next step
17:00:58 <eddiejennings> And on that note, we're right at an hour.
17:01:24 <nirik> thanks for running things eddiejennings!
17:01:29 <eddiejennings> Thus endeth the Fedora Infrastructure meeting.   Feel free to keep the discussion going in #fedora-admin for all things Fedora-Infra!
17:01:40 <eddiejennings> #endmeeting