16:03:58 <jnsamyak> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2023-04-20)
16:03:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 20 16:03:58 2023 UTC.
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16:04:07 <jnsamyak> #meetingname infrastructure
16:04:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
16:04:12 <jnsamyak> #chair nirik zlopez nb bodanel dtometzki jnsamyak
16:04:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: bodanel dtometzki jnsamyak nb nirik zlopez
16:04:17 <jnsamyak> #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra
16:04:22 <jnsamyak> #info About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/
16:04:27 <jnsamyak> #info Fedora Infra documentation: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra
16:04:31 <jnsamyak> #topic greetings!
16:04:35 <jednorozec> .hello humaton
16:04:36 <zodbot> jednorozec: humaton 'Tomáš Hrčka' <thrcka@redhat.com>
16:04:41 <jnsamyak> Hello to all 0/ Welcome to the partayy!
16:04:57 <nirik> morning everyone!
16:05:14 <jnsamyak> I'm running this meeting oh no partayy after a long time, so poke me if I forget something :D
16:05:30 <DavidKirwan[m]> /hello dkirwan
16:05:57 <phsmoura> .hi
16:05:58 <zodbot> phsmoura: phsmoura 'Pedro Moura' <pmoura@redhat.com>
16:06:23 <jnsamyak> #topic New folks introductions
16:06:28 <jnsamyak> #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves
16:06:35 <jnsamyak> #info Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
16:06:45 <jnsamyak> So, let's see who joined us for the first time today, come introduce yourself, and get a cookie!
16:06:51 <jnsamyak> ;)
16:07:24 <leonkhan> i actually joined a few weeks back . so I guess I am not new :)
16:07:47 <leonkhan> i missed the last meeting though :)
16:07:59 <nirik> welcome leonkhan
16:08:04 <jnsamyak> leonkhan: Haha, yess I saw you in the last2last meeting, hoping you are having a good time and learning!
16:08:12 <leonkhan> thanks
16:08:17 <leonkhan> oh yes
16:08:40 <mkonecny> leonkhan: Welcome :-)
16:09:07 <leonkhan> thanks mkonecny :) I am in the fi-apprentice group now
16:09:07 <jnsamyak> Awesome, let's move on, seems like we have our regulars only today \0/
16:09:07 <jnsamyak> cookies for all :D
16:09:28 <jnsamyak> #topic Next chair
16:09:32 <jnsamyak> #info magic eight ball says:
16:09:38 <jnsamyak> #info chair 2023-04-20 - jnsamyak
16:09:43 <jnsamyak> #info chair 2023-04-27 - phsmoura
16:09:47 <nirik> leonkhan: do ask questions/chime in/ look around. ;)
16:09:48 <jnsamyak> #info chair 2023-05-04 - ??
16:10:13 <lenkaseg> me! me! me!
16:10:16 <jnsamyak> Who wants to grab this golden seat to host the partayy for 05/04
16:10:34 <jnsamyak> Ayeee, wonderfullll!
16:10:45 <jnsamyak> #info chair 2023-05-04 - lenkaseg
16:10:59 <jnsamyak> Any volunteer for 05/11?
16:11:13 <lenkaseg> jnsamyak: thank you
16:12:01 <jnsamyak> I think we are pretty good for the feasts for next two week so I'll move on :D
16:12:21 <jnsamyak> #topic announcements and information
16:12:26 <jnsamyak> #info CPE Infra&Releng EU-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1030 Europe/paris in #centos-meeting
16:12:55 <jnsamyak> #info CPE Infra&Releng NA-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-meeting-3
16:12:56 <jnsamyak> #info Fedora Linux 38 release is here! Here's how you can do a quick update: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/
16:13:09 <jnsamyak> So what did I forget to add here from the awesome menu?
16:13:22 <jnsamyak> If someone has something to add on, this is your time :D
16:13:23 <mkonecny> #info Fedora 38 Freeze is over
16:13:51 * nirik was just gonna type that. ;)
16:14:56 <jnsamyak> thanks Zlopez and nirik :D
16:16:10 <jnsamyak> Moving on, to next!
16:16:11 <jnsamyak> #topic Oncall
16:16:16 <jnsamyak> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall
16:16:23 <jnsamyak> #info https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/day_to_day_fedora/
16:16:49 <jnsamyak> #info eddiejenningsjr is on call from 2023-04-14 to 2023-04-20
16:16:50 <jnsamyak> #info jednorozec is on call from 2023-04-21 to 2023-04-27
16:17:15 <jednorozec> .oncalltakeeu
16:17:15 <zodbot> jednorozec: Kneel before zod!
16:17:31 <jnsamyak> Moving on to the interesting area, who wants to be the OnCall for 2023-04-28 to 2023-05-04
16:18:12 <nirik> I can take it if no one else wants it.
16:18:21 <mkonecny> I can take it as well
16:19:17 <jnsamyak> hehe we have competitors! Let's settle 2023-04-28 to 2023-05-04 - zlopez? and next to that kevin?
16:19:17 <jnsamyak> That works?
16:19:25 <nirik> either way. Or one for that and one for the next one after?
16:19:28 <nirik> sure
16:19:45 <jnsamyak> Aye Awesome, let me gets the date right :P
16:20:10 <jnsamyak> #info zlopez is on call from 2023-04-28 to 2023-05-04
16:20:28 <mkonecny> Thanks
16:20:30 <jnsamyak> #info nirik is on call from 2023-05-05 to 2023-05-10
16:20:43 <jnsamyak> thanks nirik and zlopez! :D
16:20:58 <eddiejenningsjr> Bah. Got busy with work. I’m here now :)
16:21:06 <jnsamyak> Now summary for what happened last week!
16:21:07 <jnsamyak> #info Summary of last week: (from current oncall )
16:21:18 <jnsamyak> Eddie Jennings, Jr.: 0/
16:21:26 <jnsamyak> Seems like you got here in time ;)
16:22:01 <eddiejenningsjr> I saw one ping from last night while I was sleeping about Matrix. It looks like it was dealt with
16:22:40 <jnsamyak> seems like the upgrade is smooth (in superlative) :D
16:22:51 <jnsamyak> Awesome, thanks for doing it last week!
16:22:51 <jnsamyak> eddiejenningsjr++
16:23:00 <jnsamyak> #topic Monitoring discussion [nirik]
16:23:08 <jnsamyak> #info https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios
16:23:13 <jnsamyak> #info Go over existing out items and fix
16:23:28 <jnsamyak> @nirik, your stage!
16:23:43 <nirik> So, not much new here. Basically the same things that were alerting last week are this week too. ;) We have been getting a bunch of fmn alerts (thats the new notification system thats about to roll out). Hopefully we can figure out how to not get those...
16:24:40 <nirik> I don't think there's anything more on this from me... but if anyone has any questions or comments on it, chime in.
16:25:21 <mkonecny> It either needs change in FMN or we need to make Nagios alert more forgiving
16:25:57 <nirik> yeah. It really got high at one point last week, so I am not sure we can increase it in nagios enough. ;(
16:26:37 <nirik> anyhow, we can hopefully solve it.
16:27:26 <jnsamyak> anything else on Monitoring discussion?
16:27:40 <nirik> nope, we can move on
16:27:55 <jnsamyak> we have an interesting thing from our party to discuss today!
16:28:03 <jnsamyak> #topic Process for adding new members to Fedora accounts admins group [mkonecny]
16:28:11 <jnsamyak> Zlopez: The stage is yours!
16:29:13 <mkonecny> So this is about the discussion we had on the standup
16:29:55 <nirik> historical note: we do have a process, it's just 'sponsors of the group decide' like for most groups. We can of course come up with something more formal...
16:29:55 <mkonecny> There was question, if we have any process for adding new members to have write permissions in IPA
16:30:24 <jnsamyak> Is there any place we file ticket for it fedora-infra repo?
16:30:29 <mkonecny> The question was more, how do we prevent that somebody is trusted to get this power?
16:30:55 <nirik> and to be clear... accounts group in ipa is superuser account, so you can delete, add, modify anything in ipa.
16:31:43 <nirik> so, it's not something we should grant almost anyone. sysadmin main and managers in case of emergency.
16:32:33 <nirik> if you are in sysadmin-main you have root access everywhere and could modify ipa to add yourself to accounts anyhow. ;)
16:32:53 <mkonecny> OK, in this case having the sponsors of the group to decide seems enough
16:33:10 <nirik> oh... and the process for sysadmin main we should write up somewhere too...
16:33:16 * jnsamyak wanna ask are the group descriptions written anywhere?
16:34:49 <nirik> it's basically: a current member noinates someone to join after they have been around for several years and have proved trustworthy and after they have completed at least one non trivial deployment/change. Then, they propose them to the existing group, they vote and if they are approved added and announced. Usually this is done around the time of flock so we can meet in person and go over things.
16:34:51 <mkonecny> nirik: Only process I know we have written somewhere is the process for Fedora Infra Apprentices
16:35:27 <nirik> yeah, we should add it to docs. I can do a pr for it.
16:35:46 <nirik> s/do/propose/
16:36:18 <mkonecny> Which docs? You mean docs.fedoraproject.org?
16:36:48 <nirik> yes, the infra-docs-fpo
16:37:46 <mkonecny> Ok, yeah it would be great to have the processes described there
16:38:19 <nirik> can propose changes/additions
16:39:01 <mkonecny> And I think that nirik is probably the only one here, who knows how they work
16:39:05 <nirik> Zlopez++ thanks for bringing up the topic in meeting.
16:39:15 <jnsamyak> As they say, No ticket, no work!
16:39:15 <jnsamyak> for the starters, anyone interested to file a ticket for it?
16:39:51 <mkonecny> I thought it would be something we should discuss here :-)
16:40:03 <mkonecny> jnsamyak: Question is where to file it?
16:40:24 <mkonecny> In fedora-infrastructure tracker or infra-docs-fpo?
16:40:43 <jnsamyak> Another good thing to discuss, since those requests route to fedora-infrastructure I think that will be a good choice
16:40:48 <nirik> ticket for which? the doc?
16:41:10 <jnsamyak> And the resoltion can ofcourse be a PR in infra-docs-fpo
16:41:16 <jnsamyak> nirik, yes!
16:41:16 <nirik> I guess infra-docs-fpo makes more sense to me...
16:41:35 <jnsamyak> s/resoltion/resolution/g
16:42:04 <jnsamyak> We need one more vote somewhere :P
16:42:12 <mkonecny> Let me file the ticket on infra-docs-fpo
16:42:20 <jnsamyak> Zlopez++
16:42:25 <nirik> https://pagure.io/infra-docs-fpo/issue/200
16:42:40 <nirik> just went and did it. Pile on. ;)
16:42:44 <mkonecny> @nirik was faster :-D
16:42:53 <jnsamyak> omg nirik, wow I like the speeed!
16:42:58 <jnsamyak> nirik++
16:42:58 <zodbot> jnsamyak: Karma for kevin changed to 16 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:43:06 <jnsamyak> cookie for you!
16:43:38 <nirik> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if only fixing tickets was as fast as filing them.
16:43:55 <jnsamyak> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:44:08 <jnsamyak> Awesome, thanks for discussion, if we don't have anything else, let's move on?
16:44:25 <mkonecny> That will be probable all I have for this
16:44:48 <jnsamyak> I see we don't have any learning topics for this week, we will go blocked and then refinement tickets today!
16:44:56 <jnsamyak> #topic Revisit blocked tickets
16:45:04 <jnsamyak> #info Check if any blocked ticket is unblocked
16:45:10 <jnsamyak> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues?status=Open&tags=blocked&priority=0&close_status=
16:45:43 <nirik> nothing new, all blocked that I can see
16:45:54 <jnsamyak> every ticket on the tracker for this filter is blocked :/
16:45:58 <jnsamyak> so let's move on!
16:46:15 <nirik> yeah, we just want to glance at them and see if there was any that need to be marked unblocked.
16:46:35 <mkonecny> nirik: Wasn't there some progress on OIDC on Pagure?
16:48:21 <jnsamyak> I see it's blocked on ipsilon to support variable scope
16:48:26 <nirik> I think ryan added a comment, but I think he didn't understand the blocker.
16:48:30 <nirik> yes, that.
16:49:10 <mkonecny> Yeah, It was probably a comment from Ryan
16:49:14 <nirik> I've not yet dug thru my email today, so I might have missed something newer too.
16:49:28 <jnsamyak> so I don't think any tickets can be unblocked correct?
16:50:35 <nirik> right.
16:50:48 <jnsamyak> thanks, moving on refinement of tickets!
16:50:59 <jnsamyak> #topic Fedora Infra backlog refinement
16:51:05 <jnsamyak> #info Refine oldest tickets on Fedora Infra tracker
16:51:11 <jnsamyak> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issues?status=Open&order_key=last_updated&order=asc
16:51:32 <jnsamyak> do we pick something from the top or, how can we know if the ticket is refined or not?
16:51:55 <jnsamyak> .ticket 10386
16:51:56 <zodbot> jnsamyak: Issue #10386: Investigate moving registry.fp.o to quay.io - fedora-infrastructure - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10386
16:52:00 <jnsamyak> (oldest from the lot)
16:52:02 <nirik> we usually just do them from the top.
16:52:18 <jnsamyak> thanks for confirming :D
16:52:21 <nirik> I've had no cycles for this one, but perhaps sometime soon?
16:53:23 <nirik> I'd love to at least mostly get rid of our registries.
16:53:55 * nirik looks at the clock, sheesh, where did the hour go?
16:54:12 <jnsamyak> Is there any investigation required for this? OR, what will be the way around it nirik, just interested
16:54:27 <jnsamyak> nirik, +1 It's almost about time!
16:54:36 <nirik> it's all investigation. :)
16:54:39 <mkonecny> This is actually only the investigation
16:54:50 <jnsamyak> hehe
16:55:04 <nirik> basically we need to make sure it supports all the things we do... all the arches, new ostree oci format, flatpaks, etc.
16:56:08 <nirik> those are all pretty complex... but I guess we could setup a test quay.io project and try and upload everything there and test it with the affected groups
16:56:08 <jnsamyak> interesting, I'll talk to you more about this
16:56:16 <jnsamyak> For the last, I'll leave last minutes in case needs to discuss or just talk in the open floor :D
16:56:17 <jnsamyak> #topic Open Floor
16:56:29 <nirik> yeah, if you want to work on it that would be awesome. ;)
16:56:54 <jnsamyak> I made my last team to upgrade F38, and many of them did and eeveryone was happy with the smooth upgrade!
16:57:05 <mkonecny> jnsamyak: Let me know if you want to work on that, it's one of the planned works we didn't have time for
16:57:40 <jnsamyak> Zlopez: I'll let you know, mostly interested for now, so will not commit anything atm!
16:57:53 <mkonecny> I'm only have issues with rendering of some windows on F38
16:57:57 <jednorozec> jnsamyak, next release you just need to convince them 2 weeks earlier so they can test things
16:58:12 <nirik> zlopez: I think thats fixed in an update...
16:58:27 <jednorozec> but maybe they will not be grateful, but fedora will benefit!
16:58:33 <mkonecny> nirik: Nice
16:58:33 <jnsamyak> jednorozec: Aye will do will do! Next release I'll try to break less containers :P
16:59:27 <nirik> are you on X11 instead of wayland?
16:59:51 <nirik> if so, it's https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-7ca5ef3bc9
17:00:12 <jnsamyak> X11
17:00:30 <leonkhan> I have a quick question
17:00:31 <jnsamyak> Awesome it was smooth, I thought I'll forget something in the meeting, if I did apologies, but thanks everyone for attending the partayy it was a delight seeing you all hiding behing awesome nicks :D
17:00:37 <jednorozec> leonkhan, go on
17:00:40 <jnsamyak> leonkhan: oh go on!
17:00:49 <leonkhan> how can I run this script : ./scripts/hosts_with_var_set -i inventory/ -o ipa_client_shell_groups=fi-apprentice
17:01:10 <leonkhan> just curious to see a list of hosts which fi-apprentice have
17:01:26 <nirik> you need to check out the infra ansible repo, and it should be run from in there.
17:01:32 <jnsamyak> This is coming from https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible
17:01:35 <nirik> (hopefully it's not broken. ;)
17:01:39 <leonkhan> ok
17:02:02 <jnsamyak> if not poke folks at #fedora-admin:libera.chat :D
17:02:06 <nirik> yeah, works ok here. ;)
17:02:13 <leonkhan> cool
17:02:20 <jnsamyak> thanks again see you all in the next one!
17:02:23 <jnsamyak> #endmeeting