16:00:09 <pcreech> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2023-08-31)
16:00:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 31 16:00:09 2023 UTC.
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16:00:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2023-08-31)'
16:00:09 <pcreech> #meetingname infrastructure
16:00:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
16:00:09 <pcreech> #chair nirik zlopez nb bodanel dtometzki jnsamyak lenkaseg patrikp
16:00:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: bodanel dtometzki jnsamyak lenkaseg nb nirik patrikp pcreech zlopez
16:00:09 <pcreech> #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-infra
16:00:09 <pcreech> #info About our team: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/
16:00:10 <pcreech> #info Fedora Infra documentation: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra
16:00:12 <pcreech> #topic greetings!
16:00:19 <phsmoura> .hi
16:00:19 <nirik> morning!
16:00:19 <zodbot> phsmoura: phsmoura 'Pedro Moura' <pmoura@redhat.com>
16:00:25 <eddiejennings> .hi
16:00:26 <zodbot> eddiejennings: eddiejennings 'Eddie Jennings' <eddie@eddiejennings.net>
16:00:28 <pcreech> .hello pcreech17
16:00:30 <zodbot> pcreech: pcreech17 'Patrick Creech' <pcreech@redhat.com>
16:00:38 <pcreech> I'm on time today! \o/
16:01:13 <pcreech> also, I didn't get around to asking sooner, but is there any learning topics?
16:01:29 <pcreech> otherwise I'll dive into tickets again later in the meeting
16:02:31 <nirik> we could brainstorm some for the future
16:02:48 <eddiejennings> +1 for some brainstorming
16:03:01 <pcreech> 'learning topic' brainstorming, will do!
16:03:23 <pcreech> #topic New folks introductions
16:03:23 <pcreech> #info This is a place where people who are interested in Fedora Infrastructure can introduce themselves
16:03:24 <pcreech> #info Getting Started Guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted
16:03:38 <pcreech> Any new people today?  I didn't see any e-mails, but feel free to speak up!
16:04:04 <patrikp_> Good evening.
16:05:00 <pcreech> #topic Next chair
16:05:00 <pcreech> #info magic eight ball says:
16:05:00 <pcreech> #info chair 2023-09-07 eddiejennings
16:05:00 <pcreech> #info chair 2023-09-14 nirik
16:05:00 <pcreech> #info chair 2023-09-21 ????
16:05:00 <pcreech> #info chair 2023-09-28 ????
16:05:36 <pcreech> Looks like the next 2 meetings are chaired, but anyone want to take the 21 or 28?  (at this point, i'll just grab up what others don't)
16:05:48 <erolkskn> .hello erolkeskin
16:05:49 <zodbot> erolkskn: erolkeskin 'Erol Keskin' <erolkeskin.dev@gmail.com>
16:06:21 <phsmoura> add me 09-21
16:06:35 <pcreech> added
16:07:12 <pcreech> 09-28 going once, going twice...
16:07:46 <pcreech> sold to the house.  Taking it :D
16:08:13 <pcreech> #topic announcements and information
16:08:13 <pcreech> #info CPE Infra&Releng EU-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 0730 UTC in #centos-meeting
16:08:13 <pcreech> #info CPE Infra&Releng NA-hours team has a Monday through Thursday 30 minute meeting going through tickets at 1800 UTC in #fedora-meeting-3
16:08:29 <pcreech> Any other announcements or information?
16:08:48 <nirik> #info we are in f39 beta freeze
16:09:00 <nirik> #info next monday is a holiday in the us
16:09:28 <nirik> #info nirik is out tomorrow. ;)
16:09:32 <pcreech> i'm gonna go ahead and put the beta freeze in the announcements section on the doc, as I imagine that'll be consistent for a few meetings
16:09:45 <pcreech> ooh, enjoy the 4 day weekend nirik!
16:09:49 <nirik> yeah, I meant to
16:10:05 <nirik> gonna be a starfield weekend. ;)
16:10:17 <pcreech> Nice
16:10:42 <pcreech> Anything else of note from anyone?
16:11:20 <pcreech> #topic Oncall
16:11:20 <pcreech> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Oncall
16:11:20 <pcreech> #info https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/day_to_day_fedora/
16:11:20 <pcreech> ## .oncalltakeeu .oncalltakeus
16:11:20 <pcreech> #info darknao  is on call from 2023-09-01 to 2023-09-07
16:11:21 <pcreech> #info nirik  is on call from 2023-09-08 to 2023-09-14
16:11:23 <pcreech> #info ???  is on call from 2023-09-15 to 2023-09-21
16:11:25 <pcreech> #info ???  is on call from 2023-09-22 to 2023-09-28
16:11:33 <pcreech> Oncall assignment time!
16:11:59 <pcreech> I'll jump on the 22-28, since i'll be running the 28th meeting
16:12:17 * nirik nods
16:12:27 <pcreech> any takers for 15-21?
16:13:21 <pcreech> assuming not at this time.  I'll leave it open for now
16:13:45 <pcreech> #info Summary of last week: (from current oncall )
16:13:52 <pcreech> eddiejennings take it away!
16:14:47 <eddiejennings> Since we're in a split Matrix / IRC world, and me being pulled away for family stuff.  I saw no pings.  100% none on Matrix.  And I didn't see any when I was on IRC.
16:15:24 <eddiejennings> Yay for quiet beta freezes :)
16:15:29 <pcreech> Nice!  And yeah, split matrix/irc is making things 'fun' (for some non-standard value of fun)
16:16:10 <pcreech> #topic Monitoring discussion [nirik]
16:16:10 <pcreech> #info https://nagios.fedoraproject.org/nagios
16:16:10 <pcreech> #info Go over existing out items and fix
16:16:16 <nirik> lets see...
16:16:57 <nirik> we are in pretty reasonable shape. We have been having some alerts/problems with some of the copy virthosts... still trying to figure that out, it's being discussed in ticket.
16:17:23 <nirik> our registry is growing and alerting on disk and I keep adding more to it, but we should figure out if we can prune any old stuff.
16:18:02 <nirik> and there's been some alerts about our koji db... but it seems working for now.
16:18:18 <nirik> so thats about it I think on monitoring..
16:18:51 <pcreech> sounds like a pretty fun week in the storage arena
16:19:28 <pcreech> #topic Brainstorming!
16:19:32 <nirik> yeah, seems like. ;(
16:19:57 <pcreech> As requested at the beginning of the meeting, brainstorming time!
16:20:19 <nirik> I'm happy to talk on any number of things... but so many I don't know what to pick. ;) what topics interest people?
16:20:59 <eddiejennings> As this is a generally weak area of knowledge (with products and such) for me, I'd be curious to learn how we handle storage and backup for our VMs.
16:21:27 <eddiejennings> our = Fedora Infra
16:21:39 <pcreech> Well, recently, for dayjob, I've found I have a need to learn how to build application images with pungi, and thought it might be nice to have a pungi primer or something for folks (pungi is like dark magic to me)
16:22:27 <nirik> yeah, I can talk on storage setup... backups I have on my list to change how they are done, after that might be a good time to talk about that...
16:22:59 <nirik> I'm not super versed in pungi, but could try and do something there. Or perhaps jednorozec could?
16:23:22 * jednorozec reads back
16:24:10 <jednorozec> I can do
16:24:25 <jednorozec> but not ad-hoc like this, I need to prepare little bit
16:24:39 <pcreech> yeah, it's for a future "learning topic' subject
16:24:42 <nirik> sure, we are just brainstorming. ;)
16:24:50 <eddiejennings> I can do a little session internal firewall config and nftables, since I've been  wanting to deepen my knowledge of it
16:25:19 <eddiejennings> Firewalld is nice, but for when you want a bit more control. . . :)
16:26:34 <jednorozec> hmm, I should publish my notes on pungi on blog or something
16:26:56 <jednorozec> there is not much documentation and a lot of functionality
16:27:20 <jednorozec> the other thing I was playing with recently is ZFS on linux
16:27:23 <nirik> there's a lot more docs than there used to be... they added a bunch
16:27:51 <jednorozec> hah, I am spoiled by dev docs for python libraries
16:27:54 <pcreech> Cool, I've added a '### Brainstorming output' section to the board, and jotted those down real quick.  feel free to revise and move to "upcoming learning topics"
16:28:09 <pcreech> And yes, pungi docs have gotten better since I last dug into them :D
16:29:41 <nirik> might be cool to have a tour of zabbix if anyone can do that...
16:30:10 <eddiejennings> I potentially could do that, but I'd need a few weeks to poke around my own Zabbix install
16:30:28 <nirik> our staging one is up and running now...
16:30:48 <nirik> https://zabbix.stg.fedoraproject.org/ (and you can sign in as guest if you just want to look around)
16:31:41 <pcreech> oooh, zabbix got fancy since I last looked at it (about 8-9 years ago)
16:32:31 <nirik> huh, guest can't really see much tho
16:34:32 <pcreech> has there been any recent-ish learning sessions on koji?  That's another that I find can be a little esoteric for newcomers
16:35:50 <nirik> not much recently... there have been in the past.
16:36:03 <nirik> could od another one. What sort of scope/area?
16:36:07 <nirik> just overview? or ?
16:36:46 <saibug> useful for fedora-ci ??
16:36:46 <pcreech> Not sure, was just thinking of stuff that I had to do epic solo learning adventures of when I stared caring about infra and building rpms
16:37:32 <pcreech> but beefy areas of koji I can think of are:  buildroots, architecture, how koji-hub controls the world
16:37:36 <patrikp> Re: Zabbix guests can't see much. Yeah, I couldn't even see the hosts when I was an admin. I had to be granted "super admin" privileges.
16:38:13 <nirik> I'd be happy to do a koji thing sometime...
16:38:39 <nirik> saibug: would love more info on fedora-ci... I think we need to reach out to them to find someone who can talk about it tho
16:38:49 <nirik> patrikp: might be something to try and adjust.
16:39:04 <saibug> yeah :)
16:40:26 <nirik> I can try and do that...
16:40:38 <nirik> (ask fedora-ci folks that is)
16:40:58 <saibug> i think Michal has already posted a message on fedora-ci channel, but didn't get any answer :(
16:42:08 <nirik> ah. yeah, I am not sure what the best way to talk to them might be...
16:44:20 <nirik> I'll see if I can find anyone...
16:44:48 <eddiejennings> I need to drop a bit early.  Thanks for running the show pcreech
16:45:05 <pcreech> cool! my pleasure eddiejennings!
16:45:39 <pcreech> With that, the discussion seems to have died down, so moving on!
16:45:43 <pcreech> #topic Open Floor
16:45:47 <pcreech> Open floor time!
16:46:19 <nirik> the floor... it's so... open
16:48:21 <pcreech> ♪┏ ( ･o･) ┛♪┗ (･o･ ) ┓♪┏(･o･)┛♪
16:48:49 <pcreech> Looks like I can give people back a whopping 12 minutes of time, so if nothing else, i'm gonna end this thing!
16:49:10 <nirik> time for more ☕
16:49:13 <pcreech> #endmeeting