20:01:34 <stickster> #startmeeting Insight
20:01:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Jul 12 20:01:34 2011 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:01:37 <stickster> #meetingname Insight
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20:01:40 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
20:01:41 * stickster 
20:02:20 <asrob> hi
20:03:23 <asrob> you and me again?
20:03:27 <stickster> #chair asrob
20:03:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: asrob stickster
20:03:53 <stickster> asrob, Not sure -- I wonder if we need to ask people about doing a different time. I could certainly do something earlier in the day if needed. It's pretty late your time, isn't it?
20:04:29 <asrob> yeah, here the time is 22:04
20:05:29 <stickster> asrob, Well, let's go ahead and note some of what we've been up to at least, for the sake of the list ;-)
20:05:35 <stickster> #topic Pending action items
20:05:40 <asrob> ;)
20:06:31 <stickster> #info asrob and stickster traded reviews and should have three new modules coming in -- admin_menu, mobile_tools, and diff
20:07:01 <asrob> \o/
20:07:11 <stickster> #info stickster sent identi.ca info to the list as requested
20:08:18 <stickster> asrob, I *think* you and I finished what we needed with features_extra -- I had to make some changes in your branch for the new Feature (with blocks customizations) to work properly though
20:08:37 <stickster> IIRC, the menus weren't included as needed, so the blocks didn't deploy properly without changes
20:08:46 <asrob> awesome
20:08:58 <asrob> okay
20:09:09 <stickster> asrob, I think you should be careful with the dependencies you select -- I think there were some selected that weren't necessarily needed -- but it was only a couple
20:09:21 <stickster> sorry, "only a couple modules"
20:09:25 <asrob> could you fix my branch?
20:09:31 <stickster> asrob, I will try, sure
20:09:37 <asrob> cool, thanks
20:09:46 <stickster> #action stickster Fix branch that asrob made for basic insight features
20:09:53 <asrob> uhh, a question
20:09:59 <stickster> asrob, We'll also need features_extra packaged then, I suppose :-D
20:10:25 <asrob> what about flexifilter? because my basic insight features contains it
20:10:37 <stickster> asrob, It should stay for now because that's what we're using
20:11:03 <asrob> okay, then how/when do we replace it?
20:11:24 <stickster> asrob, If we decide to change, then we would first package mediawiki_api, when it appears in EPEL stable, we update the basic insight features to include it
20:11:40 <stickster> I think we would need to keep flexifilter, though -- because otherwise the old content would stop working
20:11:59 <asrob> yeah, that's why I asked
20:12:15 <stickster> And of course, in the middle there, we also would need to instruct the News team (and anyone else) how they can now just write in wikitext directly :-)
20:12:45 <asrob> :)
20:13:13 * stickster suspects hiemanshu is not going to get to the calendar action item, are you able to take that one asrob?
20:13:30 <stickster> He's probably pretty busy with GSoC I imagine
20:14:07 <asrob> I'd try, I've some idea
20:14:33 <stickster> #action asrob Pull calendar ideas from our email discussion threads and previous meeting notes into a wiki page so we can edit them easier
20:14:37 * asrob is looking for calendar idea email
20:14:49 <stickster> asrob, It's a combination of past meeting notes, and emails on the list.
20:15:25 <stickster> You'll want to go through the meeting notes previously where we talked through some of the calendar ideas. I was hoping it would be done by now because as the weeks go by it gets harder to make sense of everything :-)
20:15:39 <stickster> So thanks for taking that task on, I know it's some effort!
20:15:45 <asrob> ;)
20:16:36 <stickster> #action stickster and asrob keep looking at mediawiki_api module -- send questions to list
20:16:53 <asrob> I'm going to put it into wiki tomorrow because I'm going to holiday from thursday to sunday
20:17:09 <stickster> asrob, Good for you! Have fun on your vacation
20:17:15 <asrob> thanks :)
20:17:38 <stickster> #topic Theme changes
20:18:07 <stickster> #info tatica did a great job helping us out with our theme changes, so now the administration screens like Blocks are usable again, yay!
20:18:26 <asrob> yeah \o/
20:18:49 <tatica> :$
20:19:16 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2100 <-- mobile site/CSS -- this will be affected by the new mobile_tools package, which we need to run on our test system before we deploy
20:19:56 <stickster> asrob, I'm not familiar with mobile_tools at all, is this something where we set lots of options, or does it work out of the box?
20:20:36 <asrob> stickster, something like that, yeah, but I think we need a mobile theme
20:21:30 <asrob> it is a trouble, I can not test it, I don't have a smartphone
20:21:44 <stickster> asrob, I do and can test if needed
20:21:56 <asrob> sure, it would be cool
20:22:11 <stickster> asrob, Also, I think you can download things like Android SDK to test from your laptop -- it shows you a simulated phone OS, and you can try things from there
20:22:36 <asrob> I got it ;)
20:22:47 <stickster> asrob, Do we need a mobile theme made from scratch, or are there existing mobile themes that we can just use by default?
20:23:26 <stickster> I'm only familiar with the mobile theme I use for my personal WordPress instance, and I didn't have to write anything, just install the basic mobile theme
20:23:55 <asrob> I don't know
20:24:08 <asrob> can we try this quickly?
20:25:00 <stickster> asrob, We can do it after the meeting
20:25:11 <asrob> okay
20:25:48 <stickster> #topic Development work
20:26:25 <stickster> asrob, So I have a question... in our process for putting in fixes, we need two (2) "+1" votes. But right now you and I are the only people chiming in on tickets! So it's hard to get those +1's.
20:26:47 <stickster> #idea Lower +1 requirement to only one needed for now, until we have more people helping again.
20:27:09 <asrob> yes, you're right
20:27:34 <stickster> Well, since it's only us here today, then:
20:27:51 <stickster> I'll write something to the list to let people know that if we don't hear back, that's what we're going to do
20:28:22 <stickster> #action stickster Notify list that if we don't hear back, we'll move to one +1 needed for changes, so we don't block on process.
20:29:12 <stickster> asrob, Next topic is yours, whatever you'd like :-)
20:29:58 <asrob> well, we discussed all what I want
20:30:21 <asrob> oh no, wait
20:30:33 <asrob> what about identica?
20:30:47 <stickster> Set the #topic and let's discuss!
20:31:03 <asrob> #topic Identica ideas
20:31:21 <asrob> so, you sent an email about this
20:31:33 * asrob is looking for it
20:32:20 <stickster> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2011-June/001373.html
20:32:37 <asrob> yeah, you were faster ;)
20:32:58 <stickster> Firefox search shortcuts rule!
20:33:03 <asrob> :))
20:33:26 <asrob> so, I like your medium/huge win
20:34:04 <stickster> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2011-July/001374.html <-- continuation
20:34:21 <stickster> asrob, That second use case is the one I'd really like to see us have
20:34:28 <stickster> The first is elementary
20:34:51 <asrob> ahh, I see
20:35:16 <stickster> The first is just being able to find our feeds properly, no problem at all
20:36:07 <asrob> well, we should document what we want to use/develop
20:36:12 <asrob> or not?
20:36:15 <stickster> The second is more payoff -- but I hear that it may not be hard either! We might be able to hook up to the http://brdcst.it service so we can have shared access to all the services
20:37:42 <stickster> asrob, The goal is to allow a team of people in Fedora who are members of a FAS group ("fedora-socialmedia"), to send out status messages to Identi.ca + Twitter without all of them having to share a password
20:38:17 <stickster> asrob, At the same time, we also would like to be careful with any password in the Drupal system too
20:38:21 <stickster> That's the harder part :-)
20:38:23 <asrob> I mean, Identi.ca idea: win - medium, desciption: bla-bla-bla || Twitter idea: win - huge, description: bla-bla-bla.... etc-etc, all of them into a wiki page
20:38:33 <stickster> asrob, Sure!
20:38:36 * stickster can do that
20:38:46 <asrob> \o/
20:38:47 <asrob> cool
20:38:47 <stickster> #action stickster Turn identi.ca use cases into a wiki page for easier use
20:39:41 <asrob> then that's all
20:40:08 <stickster> asrob, OK, we can retire to #fedora-mktg then for a little bit of work time if you like
20:40:21 <asrob> sure ;)
20:41:10 <stickster> OK, holding meeting open for 60 sec
20:42:15 <stickster> #endmeeting