16:30:14 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG
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16:30:19 <nirik> #topic roll call
16:31:13 <nirik> who all is around for the meeting?
16:31:41 * zcat 
16:32:56 <nirik> looks like it's just us two zcat. Anything we want to pass? ;)
16:34:01 <zcat> drawing a blank.
16:35:43 * nirik goes to get more coffee... will see if more folks show up.
16:36:17 <zcat> FYI - I doubt they'll be missed much, but I think I'll be retiring all my old #fedora trigger/responses. command not found, etc.
16:39:01 <nirik> zcat: ok. Thanks for the info.
16:40:03 <nirik> Perhaps switching with the time would be better for folks... given that not too many are here now. ;(
16:41:19 <fenris02> hm?
16:41:52 <nirik> fenris02: you and zcat are the only folks I have seen so far active. ;(
16:42:06 <fenris02> oic
16:42:07 * ElectRo` lurk lurk lurk
16:43:05 <EvilBob> morning
16:43:29 <nirik> morning EvilBob
16:43:58 <EvilBob> Sorry I was distracted, Boy wanted candy for breakfast... NOT!
16:44:44 <nirik> ha.
16:44:51 <nirik> ok, I guess we can go ahead and get started...
16:44:56 <nirik> #topic weekly stats
16:45:11 <nirik> as always at http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
16:45:22 <nirik> another pretty typical week. I was around more than I have been of late.
16:46:07 <nirik> anyone have any thing they would like to shout out about this week?
16:46:33 <nirik> lots of rawhide pointing... which is typical this close to release.
16:47:10 <EvilBob> http://theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-social.html
16:47:27 <zcat> if another op is needed, i'd say DiscordianUK has the clue+time needed.
16:48:09 <nirik> zcat: if you would like to nominate them thats cool... we need to make sure they are interested, then mail the ops for voting...
16:49:10 <nirik> would you like to talk to them, or would you like me to?
16:49:18 <fenris02> nirik, tc1 was released ~12 hrs ago.
16:49:19 <EvilBob> How is bacon not the most used word in -social?
16:49:28 <fenris02> time to let rawhide in #fedora, or too soon yet?
16:49:42 <nirik> fenris02: next topic. ;)
16:49:49 <nirik> anything else on weekly stats?
16:50:06 <zcat> nirik, sure - I'll contact 'em next time I see 'em
16:50:17 <nirik> zcat: cool. Let me know what they say.
16:50:25 <nirik> #topic f12 prep
16:50:49 <nirik> ok, so as fenris02 indicated the tc was 'released' a while ago, and rc is being worked on...
16:51:03 <nirik> should we start keeping the f12 pre-release folks now? or keep pointing them to qa for a bit longer?
16:51:52 <EvilBob> If we can answer their questions
16:52:28 <EvilBob> sometimes that has been a big if
16:52:31 <nirik> yeah, I would be inclined to say we should keep them/provide support now... for real nasty bugs/etc we could still point them to qa
16:52:35 <nirik> yeah.
16:52:36 <fenris02> EvilBob, tbh, i've not even been trying in #fedora
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16:53:03 <fenris02> in -qa/-devel most of the things i see are the same as you'd see in #fedora
16:53:22 <nirik> yeah.
16:53:44 <nirik> so, proposal: start keeping f12 prerelease folks in #fedora starting now.
16:53:59 <zcat> +1
16:54:38 <EvilBob> +1
16:54:41 * Southern_Gentlem 
16:54:47 <fenris02> +1
16:55:08 <Southern_Gentlem> 0
16:55:51 <fenris02> as in, abstain?
16:55:57 <Southern_Gentlem> yep
16:56:52 <zcat> as in, a Vile vote
16:56:55 <nirik> ok, lets give it a try then...
16:57:06 <nirik> anything else on f12 prep anyone can think of?
16:57:22 <fenris02> make sure they've updated ...
16:58:27 <nirik> yeah, the fedora-release with '12' and updates and fedora repos is out...
16:58:48 <nirik> so make sure folks that want to stick with 12 do not have rawhide enabled anymore.
16:58:54 <fenris02> exactly that
16:59:04 <nirik> the prerel link goes over that I think
16:59:08 <nirik> nirik: See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_from_pre-release_to_final and let us know if you have any further questions.
16:59:19 <fenris02> i had to do a 'yum clean' to make it pull that file for some reason.
17:00:20 <nirik> yeah, might need that or a timeout of metadata to get it.
17:00:36 <fenris02> test, See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_from_pre-release_to_final and let us know if you have any further questions.  Release notes for f12 can be found http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f12/en-US/html-single/
17:01:01 * Southern_Gentlem points Southern_Gentlem to http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/
17:02:14 <nirik> yeah, sounds good.
17:02:21 <nirik> ok, any other f12 prep? or shall we move on?
17:03:34 <nirik> #topic Classroom plug
17:03:58 <nirik> Just a usual classroom plug. I am going to do a class the sunday before release... I invite others to join in teaching that day/the next before release.
17:04:06 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
17:04:59 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:05:05 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor?
17:05:12 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:05:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:05:33 <Southern_Gentlem> i am hopeing sunday to have a f11-re-spin in my hands
17:05:51 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem: cool. Is this the first f11 one?
17:05:56 <Southern_Gentlem> yep
17:06:01 <nirik> cool.
17:06:17 * fenris02 does the hopeful dance
17:06:21 <Southern_Gentlem> we have been trying but keep running into anaconda bugs
17:07:53 * zcat just had a sad (but irrelevant) note: F12 will the first release since FC3 that I won't be able to install ON|ABOUT release day, since my main desktop won't be fixed in time. (So, no akmod-nvidia anecdotes, etc.)
17:07:56 <nirik> ok, if nothing else, will close out in a few here.
17:08:09 <nirik> zcat: bummer. ;( what happened to your desktop BTW?
17:08:19 <zcat> P/S or M/B. dunno.
17:08:24 <fenris02> zcat, install early, install often
17:08:27 <Southern_Gentlem> zcat mine is still on f10
17:08:44 <fenris02> 11 blew wrt audio too bad, so i never upgraded.
17:09:03 <fenris02> i think i've mananged to figure out what's wrong with 12's, so i will use it
17:10:22 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
17:10:27 <nirik> #endmeeting