16:31:11 #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2010-01-28) 16:31:11 Meeting started Thu Jan 28 16:31:11 2010 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:31:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:31:11 #meetingname irc-support-sig 16:31:11 #topic init process 16:31:11 Who all is around for the meeting? 16:31:11 The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 16:32:58 * nirik will wait a few and see if some folks show up. ;) 16:33:42 * hiemanshu 16:34:09 * Sonar_Guy 16:35:51 ok. I didn't have too much this week anyhow, so lets go ahead and get started. 16:36:34 #topic weekly stats/recap 16:36:46 As always: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora.html 16:36:55 oops. thats the overall. 16:37:04 http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 16:37:42 It seems like there has been an uptick in EOL folks. 16:37:54 Anything anyone else would like to note about this last week? 16:38:08 nirik: That stats is based on which TimeZone? 16:38:23 I noticed ambassadors is +r too? 16:38:24 ammini: I think it's EST. 16:38:58 hiemanshu: yeah, spammers have been anoying. ;( 16:39:16 nirik: ah, there was some spam in -admin today 16:39:59 yeah. ;( 16:40:24 nirik: yes it is EST 16:41:37 ok, if nothing more about the last week will move on... 16:41:46 #topic IRCD move this weekend 16:42:00 just a reminder that freenode is migrating to their new ircd this coming weekend... 16:42:21 we will be leaving the current setup in place until after that migration and revisit next week... 16:42:24 * hiemanshu npds 16:42:27 * hiemanshu nods 16:43:07 * Sonar_Guy nods 16:43:12 they have not listed a time, but sometime saturday. 16:43:20 "Current setup" does anyone have a reason to chnage it "back" 16:44:28 * nirik doesn't off hand 16:44:54 I mean, #fedora-unregistered is working, 136 users can't be wrong 16:45:06 I am sad there are so many people in there not registering or saying anything. 16:45:06 haha, I have no issues with it. 16:45:43 nirik: so /kick * 16:45:45 When I have been in #fedora helping, it has seemed... easier 16:45:50 Sonar_Guy: +1 16:46:03 Sonar_Guy: they all part and join automatically 16:46:05 The channel has seemed quieter and it's been easier to help people who have more complicated problems, IMHO 16:46:12 Sonar_Guy: asleep at the wheel 16:46:35 they will get all booted when ircds move I'm sure. ;) 16:46:37 sorry, i'm way late. is the question to leave the channel as +rm ? 16:46:42 but then will just revisit. 16:47:05 fenris02: just random discussion about the current setup. I would like to just revisit this next week. 16:47:15 #topic Open Floor 16:47:36 Anything anyone has for open floor? Things we can improve? Things we should change? 16:47:39 imho, the channel has been far quieter with actual problems being discussed (mostly) 16:48:45 * nirik nods. 16:48:54 And it makes not sense that it would be that way 16:49:06 but it is "different" 16:49:26 oh, random announcement: will be a short downtime for fedbot tomorrow night probibly as I add more ram to the host system that runs the virtual it's on. 16:49:29 perhaps that is all it is. "new" therefore people are acting different. dunno. 16:50:40 if the people, zombies, ghosts... whatever in -unregistered made a difference in #fedora there would be more noise in -unregistered I would think 16:51:02 Can be a bit more non-hostile. I don't remember whether it occurred this week, but I remember someone discouraging the usage of LiveCD to a user who wanted to install F11 on his desktop for some educational purpose. 16:51:37 ammini: we should all strive to be professional when helping... 16:51:38 ammini: and I will again and again 16:51:58 ammini: the channel mode is not going to change that 16:52:34 * ammini *sighs* 16:52:51 ammini: if people want honest help that is what I will give them, if they want someone to lie and blow sunshine up their petticoats they need to look elsewhere 16:52:53 ammini: I think I recall the user... they were being difficult as well. 16:53:17 EvilBob: feel free to tell people the reasons you think they shouldn't use the live media... no need to be hostile about it. ;) 16:53:18 ammini: the LiveCD as install media is FAIL IMO 16:55:16 I would say that as long as users are allowed be be whiny and demanding I can be however the hell I feel like... LOL 16:56:22 within limits. :) 16:56:44 I give what I get, I have never been intentionally hostile to anyone other than The one who shall remain unnamed 16:56:48 ammini: can you think of better ways to handle things like that? 16:57:01 * kronos003 coughs his drink from laughing so hard 16:57:59 I would say if you see someone being hostile you could: step in and try and help the person yourself in a better way, or ask the person being hostile to take a break, or ask the person asking for help to take a different approach. 16:58:01 nirik: There were obviously some remarks which could've avoided . And I don't agree discouraging using LiveCD. I use it a LOT. 16:58:25 nirik: Sure. 16:58:28 ammini, the livecd installs are pretty broken 16:58:38 ammini, repairable, but certainly not user-friendly. 16:58:40 people have different opinions... we should all be able to agree to disagree. ;) 16:58:58 * ammini *nods* and agrees. 16:59:20 ammini: Are you volunteering to help all the LiveCD users? The rest of us could go on vacation until the next release if you are. 16:59:57 anyhow, I think we are derailing here. 16:59:58 EvilBob: Take a break. nirik just suggested me to take this approach :D 17:00:13 Any other items for Open Floor? 17:01:13 * nirik will close out the meeting in a few unless someone has something else. 17:02:09 Thanks for coming everyone! 17:02:16 #endmeeting