16:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2010-04-22)
16:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
16:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process
16:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Apr 22 16:00:01 2010 UTC.  The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
16:01:00 <nirik> Anyone around for a irc support sig meeting?
16:01:01 <Southern_Gentlem> dang its that time already
16:01:08 * Southern_Gentlem 
16:02:57 * nirik will wait a few more for folks to wander in.
16:03:05 <mether> I am here
16:03:31 <Sonar_Gal> I'm here
16:04:37 <nirik> ok, I guess we can go ahead and get started. I didn't have much today...
16:04:42 <nirik> #topic Week in review
16:04:58 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
16:05:12 <nirik> anyone have anything from the previous week they would like to bring up or point out?
16:06:01 <nirik> moderately busy week.
16:06:12 <EvilBob> Back
16:06:13 <nirik> I'd like to note that the ban list is still clear from the clearing last week...
16:06:17 <Southern_Gentlem> i am really surprised the ban list is still so small after clearing the ban list last week
16:06:34 <nirik> so, the unregistered sure helps keep out people who are just trying to join to be a pain.
16:06:37 <nirik> yeah.
16:07:09 <EvilBob> There are a couple in -social I am not sure when they were set
16:07:27 <Southern_Gentlem> only thing i have is i rebanned 93.186.164.51  again in #unreg for join-part spamming
16:07:45 <nirik> yeah, there was another one there that I did too.
16:08:40 <nirik> #topic F13Beta
16:08:53 <nirik> we have been fielding the f13b questions for a week or so now...
16:08:59 <nirik> I think it's going pretty well...
16:09:13 <nirik> There has been a good number of folks with it.
16:09:49 <nirik> Note that final release is currently scheduled for 05-18
16:09:52 <Southern_Gentlem> mainly today the complaint is aobut the gnome-icon-theme-extras conflict on update
16:10:08 <nirik> yeah.
16:10:23 <Southern_Gentlem> --exclude=packagename works great
16:10:29 <nirik> There will be hiccups like that sadly.
16:10:59 <Southern_Gentlem> we have hiccups like tht for the full release
16:11:18 <nirik> hopefully autoqa will land at some point and save us from this. ;)
16:11:22 <nirik> Anything more on beta?
16:12:08 <nirik> #topic Upcoming IRC Classes.
16:12:11 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
16:12:21 <nirik> I signed up to teach a pair of classes...
16:12:37 <nirik> and we have another coming up from Joe Brockmeier
16:12:42 <EvilBob> Zonker was going to teach a class
16:12:48 <nirik> yep.
16:13:08 <nirik> So, feel free to mention this around as much as you can... and feel free to sign up to teach if you like too. ;)
16:14:02 <mether> on a related note, I did something similar with a workshop over irc that lasted for 4 hours on RPM packaging and we are planning to do more on autotools, I18N, L10N, Python etc
16:14:13 <Southern_Gentlem> time to fire up the announe on fedbot?
16:14:29 <mether> if that is something of interest, I can announce it more widely
16:14:32 <nirik> mether: excellent.
16:14:50 <Southern_Gentlem> mether,  i wished i had known about it
16:14:50 <EvilBob> mether: I think that is a great topic
16:14:57 <nirik> yeah, I would say so. Would you like to use the classroom setup for that? (I don't guess it matters much tho)
16:15:23 <mether> yeah. it tends to be quite long. not sure it fits into the current setup
16:15:31 <mether> Southern_Gentlem, we have the logs
16:15:35 <Southern_Gentlem> yeah it does
16:15:52 <nirik> well, the channel is pretty idle... I have no problem with longer workshop type classes...
16:15:57 <Southern_Gentlem> mether that the thing about the classroom its very flexible
16:16:24 <mether> ah ok. then I will do in the classroom channel?
16:16:33 <mether> all the future sessions
16:16:42 <Southern_Gentlem> i would love to have the problem that we needed more classroom channels
16:16:47 <mether> the one on RPM packaging is at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-india/2010-04-16/rpm_packaging_workshop.2010-04-16-13.35.html
16:16:48 <nirik> that would be fine with me... and note them on the wiki page.
16:16:54 <mether> ok thanks
16:16:55 <nirik> I will advertise them with the rest of the classes.
16:17:10 <nirik> mether: cool
16:18:03 <nirik> ok, anything else on classes?
16:18:39 <EvilBob> We should have a schedule for announcement/reminders
16:19:09 <nirik> EvilBob: well, for email I have been sending them out every monday when there are classes scheduled.
16:19:16 <EvilBob> if we want people to use the classroom we need to get interested parties informed better IMO
16:19:21 <nirik> For irc, I'm not sure what makes sense. Too much spams the channel.
16:19:27 <EvilBob> I was refering to IRC
16:19:36 <nirik> ok, what would you suggest?
16:19:48 <EvilBob> Not sure, something to think about.
16:20:58 <nirik> yeah, I would love to get more folks attending.
16:21:08 <nirik> perhaps we could ping marketing folks?
16:22:15 <EvilBob> Just thinking that IRC users are the most likely to attend, if we do not help them know about the meetings...
16:22:39 <EvilBob> you get my point, dead horse...
16:23:14 <nirik> yeah...
16:23:26 <nirik> I'll play around with announceing it and see what we can come up with.
16:23:38 <nirik> and perhaps talk to mktg
16:23:43 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
16:23:50 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor?
16:24:46 <Southern_Gentlem> yeah marketing has a class set as well
16:25:36 <nirik> yep. Also several more in planning.
16:25:40 <EvilBob> I pinged the offended offender from -social to see if they wanted to speak out concerning their ban
16:26:24 <nirik> ok. I was thinking on that and wondering if the meetings are the best place for that...
16:26:38 <nirik> but I hadn't come up with any other idea...
16:27:06 <EvilBob> Yeah I don't know
16:27:30 <EvilBob> <user> EvilBob: Don't really care anymore.
16:27:51 <nirik> ok.
16:28:00 * nirik will close out the meeting in a minute if nothing else comes up.
16:28:24 <Tucos> wrt the announcements, maybe set up a seperate channel that's made for being spammed?
16:29:03 <nirik> Tucos: thats a thought... not sure the people we are trying to reach would join it though.
16:29:10 <EvilBob> Tucos: problem is, end users and many others would not be in it
16:29:16 <Tucos> true, then you'd have to announce the announcement channel
16:29:27 <EvilBob> Tucos: as it is many of us are in 20+ channels already
16:30:21 <Southern_Gentlem> nirik,  i think a Check out the great Fedora Classes for next week once per hour is really not that bad
16:30:48 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: or once every 3 or 4
16:31:01 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: twice in a work shift
16:31:29 <nirik> It might be better to have helpers announce when the channel is particularly busy (lots of people active to see it) and idle (lots of people could note new activity in channel and see it)
16:31:31 <Southern_Gentlem> nirik,  i think a Check out the great Fedora Classes for next week see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom once per hour is really not that bad
16:31:48 <Southern_Gentlem> hell i spam the respins that much
16:32:28 <nirik> yeah, lets play around with it and try and find the best method. I'm sure we will need some trial and error/complaints, etc. ;)
16:32:57 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
16:33:13 <Southern_Gentlem> EvilBob,  i figured that offender would chicken out
16:33:18 <nirik> #endmeeting