05:10:35 <juhp> #startmeeting i18n
05:10:35 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 27 05:10:35 2010 UTC.  The chair is juhp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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05:10:49 <juhp> welcome to the weekly i18n meeting
05:11:18 <juhp> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-05-27 is the agenda page
05:13:20 <paragan> hi
05:13:36 <juhp> hi paragan
05:14:42 <epico_laptop> hi
05:14:48 <juhp> hi epico_laptop
05:15:49 <dychen_> hi
05:16:09 <jni_> hi
05:16:20 <juhp> hi kaio dychen_ jni_
05:16:33 <dueno> hi
05:16:41 <juhp> hi dueno
05:16:53 <kaio> hi
05:19:31 <juhp> alright we better get started thanks
05:21:14 <juhp> #topic project updates
05:21:32 <juhp> anyone would to share any news on their projects
05:22:04 <kaio> ibus-table-* becomes ibus-table-chinese and ibus-table-others
05:22:26 <juhp> kaio: is that new? :)
05:22:36 <kaio> the former SRPM is about 7.5MB RPM is 27MB
05:22:39 <kaio> juhp⚙ that is new
05:22:53 <juhp> since last week? :)
05:23:09 <juhp> ok
05:23:23 <juhp> kaio: can you say more?
05:25:06 <kaio> sorry no.. :P
05:26:26 <juhp> there are some interesting discussions going on about gnome3 and input
05:26:47 <juhp> mccann has some design pages and earlier mockups
05:26:48 <paragan> aha
05:27:01 <juhp> http://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/RegionAndLanguage
05:27:07 <juhp> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/SystemStatus/InputLanguage
05:27:30 <juhp> I just mention them here for those who might be interested in following the discussion
05:27:56 <juhp> also http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/ScreenKeyboard for virtual kbd :)
05:28:51 <juhp> I might ask phuang_ on ibus news but think he might be afk
05:29:08 <juhp> paragan: I think you are packaging some google webfonts?
05:29:34 <juhp> anything else?
05:29:49 <paragan> yes I have packaged 4 fonts and dueno helped to review them
05:29:55 <juhp> cool
05:29:57 <paragan> packaging few more this week :)
05:30:04 <juhp> ok :)
05:30:13 <juhp> paragan: looking good?
05:30:25 <paragan> yes
05:31:16 <juhp> #topic f13
05:31:23 <juhp> so f13 was released....
05:31:42 <juhp> I think overall it is looking pretty good release
05:32:08 <juhp> though I got one bad-ish bug about gettext multilib which I will try to address asap
05:32:38 <paragan> oh!
05:33:18 <juhp> base package is no longer multilib...
05:33:33 <juhp> which may break upgrades :(
05:33:51 <juhp> perhaps I should try a test upgrade too...
05:34:58 <paragan> ok
05:35:08 <tagoh3> aha
05:35:52 <paragan> I think soon we need to check devel branch and make sure F-13 modifications are also applied to devel branch
05:36:17 <juhp> mm yeah
05:36:31 <juhp> I hope so for most packages
05:36:38 <juhp> if we are following best practice
05:37:01 <juhp> we should always make changes if necessary in devel and then backport...
05:37:10 <juhp> but good point
05:38:23 <paragan> yes
05:38:49 <juhp> also good to move featurefuture type bugs to rawhide
05:45:44 <juhp> ok just looking at a few bugs...
05:47:21 <juhp> .bug 487061
05:47:23 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 487061 Japanese fonts changed to less readable after update - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487061
05:47:36 <juhp> tagoh3: wonder if it should move to rawhide?
05:48:01 <tagoh3> sure
05:51:04 <juhp> tagoh3: or change component?
05:51:19 <juhp> otherwise wontfix?
05:51:46 <tagoh3> hmm, to what component?
05:51:57 <juhp> dunno vte?
05:52:06 <juhp> didn't read carefully...
05:52:23 <juhp> sounds like it can't be fixed in font?
05:52:56 <tagoh3> not yet triaged well due to vague specification.
05:52:57 <tagoh3> perhaps
05:53:44 <juhp> ok
05:53:47 <juhp> hm
05:55:21 <juhp> #topic other bugs
05:55:55 <epico_laptop> SC/TC fonts improvements is landing on Fedora 13 in progress.
05:55:58 <juhp> 82 rawhide bugs
05:56:06 <juhp> epico_laptop: cool
05:56:12 <epico_laptop> :)
05:56:25 <juhp> so zh-cn and zh-tw etc works now? :)
05:56:51 <epico_laptop> I checked gnome/firefox is ok. fc-match still have some problems.
05:57:01 <juhp> I see
05:58:02 <tagoh3> epico_laptop: in which case?
05:58:30 <epico_laptop> fc-match sans:lang=?? and fc-match sans:lang=zh-??.
05:58:47 <tagoh3> ?
05:59:09 <epico_laptop> fc-match sans:lang=zh and fc-match sans:lang=zh-cn is different.
05:59:43 <juhp> is there output in the bug report?
05:59:54 <epico_laptop> but fc-match sans:lang=zh-cn  and fc-match sans:lang=zh-cn is the same.
06:00:11 <juhp> ?
06:00:14 <tagoh3> epico_laptop: well, since there are no zh.orth but zh_*.orth, what font are you expecting to see with it?
06:00:30 <epico_laptop> not yet.
06:00:39 <juhp> ok
06:00:56 <epico_laptop> zh-cn/zh-sg will be wqy-zenhei, zh-tw/zh-hk will be uming.
06:01:06 <tagoh3> and zh?
06:02:13 <epico_laptop> maybe same as zh-cn as wqy-zenhei, but TC users may prefer uming.
06:02:37 <tagoh3> so you can add <string>zh</string> after <string>zh-cn</string> then.
06:02:47 <epico_laptop> ok.
06:03:53 <epico_laptop> what about zh-cn and zh-tw?
06:04:12 <tagoh3> any problems?
06:04:19 <juhp> 36 NEW rawhide bugs
06:04:41 <epico_laptop> the two should return UMing for zh-tw, and WQY Zen Hei for zh-cn.
06:05:07 <juhp> they don't? :)
06:05:36 <epico_laptop> yes, fc-match returns the same, but gnome apps use right fonts from lsof log.
06:06:16 <tagoh3> what the font does it match with them?
06:06:54 <epico_laptop> both uming.ttc.
06:07:14 <tagoh3> with the config file on your people space?
06:07:34 <epico_laptop> yes.
06:08:16 <tagoh3> okay, let me have a look later
06:08:23 <epico_laptop> thanks very much.
06:08:55 <juhp> I see no reviewer yet for ibus-handwrite btw
06:09:11 <juhp> if someone could help to review that would be good
06:09:32 <juhp> we're over time so probably should stop soon...
06:10:37 <juhp> #topic f11 bugs closing
06:11:07 <juhp> guess there is still time since f13 was just released?
06:12:09 <juhp> #topic Upstream_Release_Monitoring
06:12:26 <juhp> mentioned it briefly last time
06:13:08 <juhp> if you have a project that releases regularly but you don't track upstream announcements frequently it would be good to add to the wikipage
06:14:10 <juhp> with the right url regexp it will automatically detect new upstream releases and automatically file a bug for your package when a newer release than in rawhide appears
06:14:57 <juhp> obvious if you are upstream or upstream is no longer active or is stable then probably not much point
06:15:14 <juhp> perhaps we can do a review later at some point
06:15:47 <juhp> #topic open discussion
06:15:57 <juhp> any other topics for discussion?
06:16:43 <juhp> otherwise we will close the meeting in a couple of minutes (if I don't forget like last week;o)
06:21:47 <juhp> next meeting in a week https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-06-03
06:22:03 <juhp> if you have some topic you would like to discuss please add it to the page
06:22:14 <juhp> thanks for the meeting everyone!
13:34:39 <stickster> nirik: Is it OK with you if I send the announcement for FESCo election results together with Board?
13:34:50 <stickster> nirik: Will be sending to announce, devel-announce, and advisory-board
14:57:31 <nirik> stickster: sure! (if you haven't already done so)
14:57:42 <stickster> nirik: Heh, already did it :-)
14:58:09 <stickster> nirik: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2010-May/002819.html
16:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
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16:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process
16:00:03 <zodbot> nirik: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
16:00:07 <nirik> hum.
16:00:14 <nirik> #endmeeting
16:00:56 <DiscordianUK> Hmmm
16:00:58 <nirik> #endmeeting