16:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2010-08-12)
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16:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
16:00:02 <nirik> #topic init process
16:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
16:00:11 * N3LRX stumbles in
16:00:13 <nirik> who all is around for the meeting?
16:00:16 * dcr226 
16:00:21 * Southern_Gentlem 
16:00:28 * fcami waves
16:00:32 <DiscordianUK> 
16:00:42 * Khaytsus is hungry
16:00:48 * mock cleaned up his coffee mess
16:00:51 * dcr226 passes bacon to Khaytsus
16:00:55 * Khaytsus mocks mock
16:01:09 * mock Khaytsuss Khaytsus
16:01:10 * Khaytsus eats baconz
16:01:19 <Sonar_Gal> 
16:01:29 <nirik> nice turn out today. ;)
16:01:30 * dcr226 gives up his chair for so_solid_moo
16:01:32 <dcr226> ups
16:01:36 <dcr226> Sonar_Gal,
16:01:38 <fcami> haha. :)
16:02:00 * Sonar_Gal smacks dcr226
16:02:16 * fcami slides back into the shadows
16:02:44 <nirik> #topic Week in review
16:02:53 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
16:02:58 <nirik> a pretty busy week overall
16:03:05 * fenris02 kicks back in a chair
16:03:39 <dcr226> autopsy, you _Actually_ sleep? ever?
16:03:42 * daMaestro lurks
16:04:00 * Sonar_Guy 
16:04:04 <nirik> anything anyone would like to point out from the previous week or note?
16:04:08 <DiscordianUK> Gah no 4 again
16:04:43 <mock> bacon is where it belongs in social
16:04:53 <fenris02> nirik, the ml works.
16:04:54 * Khaytsus has been toooo busy working/cleaning/preparing kid for kindergarten
16:05:09 <nirik> yeah, was gonna note that we now have a mailing list...
16:05:15 <nirik> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/irc-support-sig
16:05:56 <autopsy> dcr226, I did.
16:06:20 * nirik notes that so far this month, we have had 5 people kicked for flooding, and 4 other people kicked for various other reasons.
16:06:20 <fenris02> autopsy, you did ... last year? ;)
16:06:28 <nirik> he did... once. ;)
16:06:32 <fenris02> nirik, is that high?
16:06:34 <autopsy> Nah just like, last 20 minutes ago gah.
16:07:08 <fenris02> nirik, is that fedbot only stats or /kicks noted in #fedora ?
16:07:10 <dcr226> autopsy, upside-down? in a dark room? ;-)
16:07:15 <autopsy> Yes.
16:07:23 <nirik> not sure, but I think it might be good to note that in meetings and see if we can learn from it or if it's changing up or down.
16:07:27 <Southern_Gentlem> ok guys we are in the meeting
16:07:28 * EvilBob 
16:07:34 * autopsy present
16:07:34 <nirik> fenris02: just me looking at the logs I have here.
16:07:54 <nirik> anyhow, anything else for noting from the previous week? if not, I will move on.
16:07:58 <fenris02> nirik, ok, so just the beginning of a metric
16:08:05 <nirik> fenris02: yeah
16:08:12 <EvilBob> Nothing from -social that I am aware of
16:08:46 <nirik> #topic Feedback Processes
16:08:48 <fenris02> nirik, any chance you can pull the last 10wks or so ?
16:08:57 <nirik> I started a thread on the mailing list about this...
16:08:59 <EvilBob> nirik: were those of us in the alias registered for the list?
16:09:00 <nirik> fenris02: sure.
16:09:17 <fenris02> EvilBob, i dont think so
16:09:23 <nirik> EvilBob: nope. I mailed the alias noting the list, but I find it wrong to subscribe someone to something against their will. ;)
16:09:23 <EvilBob> k
16:09:46 <fenris02> nirik, i missed the mailing notification
16:10:01 <nirik> huh. I am pretty sure I sent it out. I can double check.
16:10:36 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: you did 7 August 2010
16:10:56 <EvilBob> I saw the notice and promptly ignored it
16:11:01 <EvilBob> ;^)
16:11:11 <nirik> Anyhow, anyone have thoughts on that topic here now? or shall we continue discussion on the mailing list for a while...
16:12:18 <Southern_Gentlem> move on
16:12:22 <fcami> +1
16:12:24 <Sonar_Guy> nirik: I like the idea of using trac for tickets
16:12:48 <nirik> yeah, it has advantages...
16:13:00 <Sonar_Guy> metric gathering for 1
16:13:53 <fenris02> as before, i still prefer trac
16:14:01 <fcami> metric, and easily searchable history, but I already said that in the ML. :P
16:14:19 * nirik likes the idea of forcing a template.
16:14:35 * dcr226 wonders how many tickets would get submitted on a weekly/monthly basis
16:15:12 <nirik> dcr226: few I suspect.
16:15:26 <nirik> anyhow, add feedback on the list and we can revisit next week.
16:15:31 <EvilBob> Make sure you send people there when they are happy with the help they got
16:15:36 <dcr226> nirik, yeah, makes me wonder about someones time setting up and instance
16:15:41 <fenris02> dcr226, 1-2/wk, but i'm not sure if folks would file more just because they can
16:15:42 <nirik> EvilBob: yeah, I would like to see that too.
16:15:56 <nirik> #topic F14 Alpha upcoming
16:15:56 <fcami> the main thing is, no one wants to get pointed at mailing list archives to search for possible previous issues that match theirs.
16:16:02 * fcami shuts up .:P
16:16:19 <EvilBob> We all know that people rarely comment when things go right, they just like to bitch and complain so it paints us in a bad light
16:16:30 <nirik> so, F14 slipped a week...
16:16:32 <fenris02> SOP
16:16:52 <EvilBob> It wouldn't be Fedora if it didn't slip as the users say
16:16:53 <fenris02> yes, but one week was completely justified for f14 ..
16:16:55 <nirik> we should all remember to point people to #fedora-qa at this point.
16:17:24 <fcami> for rawhide issues? yes
16:17:29 <fenris02> there is an rc4 on its way shortly.  (nowish?)
16:17:36 <fenris02> fcami, for f14 issues too
16:17:44 <nirik> rawhide and prereleases.
16:17:57 <nirik> I think we started taking them after beta last time?
16:18:09 <fenris02> last few times, we started at beta
16:18:16 <fcami> wilco
16:18:25 * dcr226 thinks it was RC2 last time
16:18:39 <nirik> we should find out or decide on a common practice.
16:19:04 <nirik> dcr226: the rc's are not generally available/announced tho...
16:19:07 <EvilBob> I believe you were right with the beta
16:19:19 <DiscordianUK> It was the beta
16:19:25 <Khaytsus> Yes, always beta
16:19:29 <EvilBob> if not I think it should be voted on and made SOP
16:19:34 <Khaytsus> RC's aren't announced, Beta's are.. right?
16:19:35 <dcr226> nirik, possibly something to bring us all up to date with systemd prior to the beta? -classroom maybe?
16:19:37 * mock grabs an rc cola
16:19:49 <nirik> dcr226: that would be great... we need someone to teach it. ;)
16:19:53 <fenris02> dcr226, well, it should start working first :)
16:19:55 <Khaytsus> mock: Want a roast been sandwihch and chips with that?
16:20:05 * dcr226 chuckles nervously
16:20:24 <fenris02> dcr226, thanks for teaching that class next tuesday
16:20:32 <nirik> anyhow, I can see about finding someone to do that.
16:21:10 <dcr226> fenris02, whichwhut?
16:21:31 <nirik> anything else anyone has on the alpha? I suspect after it comes out we will see folks come in with it...
16:21:58 <fenris02> nirik, nothing earth shattering afaict
16:21:59 <DiscordianUK> I'm sure we can send em to -qa
16:22:08 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
16:22:12 <nirik> ok, anything for open floor?
16:22:19 <nirik> DiscordianUK: you said you might have something?
16:22:48 <Southern_Gentlem> ? we open the room to support rawhide @beta correct
16:23:05 <nirik> well, to support the next release...
16:23:09 <nirik> rawhide always should go to qa
16:23:12 <Khaytsus> RAWHIDE?  No.
16:23:18 <Khaytsus> $nextrelease ;)
16:23:24 <Southern_Gentlem> f14 beta
16:23:41 <Southern_Gentlem> and will we clear the banlists at that time
16:23:42 <nirik> right.
16:23:46 <Khaytsus> I assume that $nextrelease and rawhide will be separated 'forever'
16:23:47 <DiscordianUK> Nothing at the moment except to say that we are trying to get something going in #Fedora-uk
16:24:06 <nirik> DiscordianUK: cool. Anything we can do to assist with that effort?
16:24:11 <mock> do legit beta problems get flagged to qa?
16:24:23 <mock> if they are raised in #fedora?
16:24:33 <Khaytsus> mock: they're ushered to -qa
16:24:44 <mock> Khaytsus: got it
16:24:48 <DiscordianUK> Not presently thanks
16:24:56 <nirik> mock: basically we try and help them as best we can... but of course bugs should be filed, etc.
16:24:57 <Khaytsus> mock: Honestly most users using rc/beta have no business doing so, they're version chasing.  I doubt many of them log bugs.
16:25:24 <DiscordianUK> We're seeing lots of people wanting stuff from F15/rawhide
16:25:32 <Khaytsus> The ones that are really *testing* the update are already in -qa, a test day, or involved and know what they're doing.
16:25:33 <DiscordianUK> It's madness
16:25:42 <Khaytsus> DiscordianUK: OMGZ +.1 version!
16:26:22 * Khaytsus has to do foodz..  starving..
16:26:31 <nirik> anyhow, anything else?
16:26:37 <nirik> or shall we stick a fork in this meeting?
16:26:49 <mock> nirik: have the test days been announced yet?
16:26:56 <EvilBob> stick a spork in it
16:27:26 <nirik> mock: not sure. -qa would know..
16:27:34 <mock> nirik: ok
16:27:47 <fenris02> mock, "every day is test day"
16:28:07 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
16:28:10 <nirik> #endmeeting