16:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2010-11-04)
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16:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
16:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process
16:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
16:00:10 <mock> bacon!
16:00:13 <nirik> who all is around for meeting?
16:00:13 * N3LRX sits down in the comfy chair next to the bacon
16:01:35 * fenris02 is half-around
16:01:42 <EvilBob> Bacon
16:02:15 <nirik> ok, I guess we can go ahead and get started.
16:02:20 <nirik> #topic Week in review
16:02:20 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
16:02:37 <nirik> release week... was pretty busy
16:03:13 <nirik> anyone have items from this last week they would like to bring up?
16:03:17 <EvilBob> Lots of the normal issues with new installs and drivers from third parties
16:03:26 <nirik> yeah, lots of 3rd party issues...
16:03:40 <fenris02> vbox, catalyst, nvidia, dropbox
16:04:07 <EvilBob> plus the normal LiveMedia stuff that I try to block out
16:04:46 <nirik> yeah, from the fedora side it was a pretty smooth release I thought.
16:05:35 <nirik> ok, anything else? or shall we move on?
16:05:45 <nirik> #topic Tickets
16:05:45 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1
16:05:57 <nirik> no tickets this week.
16:06:17 <nirik> #topic Meeting time
16:06:19 <EvilBob> that's a bad thing
16:06:38 <EvilBob> no tickets means no one is tossing the macro out
16:06:38 <nirik> Starting this weekend DST ends... do we wish to move the meeting with that? or leave it where it is?
16:06:49 <nirik> EvilBob: agreed. We should toss it out more.
16:07:22 <EvilBob> nirik: Meeting time, I would like to see it stay with the "local time" 11am here works good for me most weeks
16:07:41 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: isn't that the case with you also?
16:07:57 <Sonar_Gal> Doesn't work all that well for me being at noon
16:07:58 <nirik> yeah, same here...
16:08:11 <Sonar_Gal> but no biggie
16:08:35 <nirik> so if we moved it, we would go to 17UTC?
16:09:09 <EvilBob> what would that be here? 1 I am thinking?
16:09:40 <EvilBob> the whole DST non-DST thing... Bleh
16:09:45 <nirik> well, next week we fall back, so time moves back an hour, so we would need to move the meeting forward an hour (from 16 to 17 UTC)
16:09:52 <nirik> (at least I think)
16:09:56 <nirik> yeah, I hate it personally.
16:10:01 <Southern_Gentlem> actually 11AM works better for me
16:10:36 <Southern_Gentlem> it seems like 12pm is when all my people make up there minds to come see me
16:10:37 <nirik> that would be 9am for me... which is early. Thats when I usually get started with work
16:12:02 <nirik> so, I would prefer to move the meeting to keep the same local time personally, but willing to do whatever makes everyone happy.
16:12:02 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: How about 1PM your time? After Lunch
16:12:06 * Southern_Gentlem perfer it says the same utc time myself
16:12:35 <Southern_Gentlem> EvilBob,  then i am swamped from the people coming to see me
16:12:36 <EvilBob> so the UTC time will be 10 or noon for me?
16:12:45 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: Right on
16:12:47 <Southern_Gentlem> noon for you
16:12:48 <N3LRX> 10
16:13:00 <N3LRX> no noon
16:13:21 <Southern_Gentlem> 11 EST =12 cst
16:13:30 <Southern_Gentlem> nope
16:13:34 <nirik> no, 10.
16:13:43 <nirik> 9am here (I am in MST)
16:13:50 <Khaytsus> The world should have a standard time.  I wonder how much energey is spent on timezone discussion, calculation, etc
16:13:51 <EvilBob> OK well, 11Eastern is 9am for nirik
16:13:58 <Southern_Gentlem> whatever time it is now substract an hour
16:14:01 <N3LRX> dst gets me confuzzeled too.. lol
16:14:05 <nirik> Khaytsus: way way too much. ;)
16:14:09 <fenris02> nirik, plenty of f13 -> f14 upgrade problems reported.  most of them were fixed by the cleanup page, or caused by one of the 3rd party apps above.
16:14:28 <Khaytsus> Third party app upgrades = uberfail
16:14:47 <Khaytsus> I've heard python 2.7 didn't come along for the ride for a few users, likely third party apps
16:14:52 <EvilBob> back to the time of the meeting?
16:15:05 <Khaytsus> Same problem happened to me 9->11 with Python 2.6 because of some third party app I forgot to remove.
16:15:15 <Khaytsus> EvilBob: -15m ago
16:15:17 <fenris02> sorry EvilBob ... $work induced lag
16:15:43 <nirik> I'd be ok with leaving it the same, but then perhaps we could look at rotating the meeting chair so I don't need to do it every week? ;)
16:15:49 <EvilBob> Khaytsus: no that is the topic at this time, changing it for the non-DST change
16:15:57 <Khaytsus> oooooh
16:16:11 <Khaytsus> I'm american, I saw keep it at the same time.
16:16:15 <Khaytsus> The rest of the world = other side
16:16:22 * fenris02 smirks
16:16:26 * Khaytsus ducks and runs
16:17:19 <EvilBob> OK Same local time or an hour earlier is fine with me
16:17:33 <fenris02> running the meeting earlier makes it easier for me to attend, but other than that - whatever works for everyone else.
16:17:34 <EvilBob> how about 1/2 and 1/2
16:17:50 <nirik> 17:30?
16:18:02 <EvilBob> make it 30 minutes earlier than it is now
16:18:07 <nirik> (or is that 16:30. ;)
16:18:14 <fenris02> and EvilBob volunteered to chair it. thanks EvilBob
16:18:18 * fenris02 hides
16:18:28 <nirik> sure, we did it on the 1/2 hour before.
16:18:53 <EvilBob> so 10:30 here, 11:30 for Southern_Gentlem (before his lunch rush), 9:30 for nirik (gives him time to get settled at work)
16:19:02 <nirik> If I'm the only one eariler is too early for I can suck it up and we can just leave it if people want.
16:19:11 <nirik> sure, that works for me too.
16:19:19 <Southern_Gentlem> good compromise
16:19:33 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
16:19:40 <EvilBob> I just did not want it to get after lunch here
16:19:49 <EvilBob> +1 to the compromise
16:19:59 <Southern_Gentlem> so it will be at 1630 utc
16:20:18 <nirik> yep. Sounds good.
16:20:28 <EvilBob> Any objections?
16:20:46 <hicham> EvilBob: you take a long nap after lunch ;) ?
16:20:55 <Southern_Gentlem> topic changed in -ops
16:20:58 <EvilBob> hicham: A lot of times I have to
16:21:01 <nirik> #agreed meeting will move to 16:30UTC starting next week.
16:21:11 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
16:21:27 <nirik> I'll note that I slacked and haven't working on voting or new ops process documents. ;(
16:21:33 <nirik> I will try and do something this weekend.
16:21:59 <EvilBob> nirik: I started, but lost the doc, think I shutdown and forgot to save
16:22:00 <Southern_Gentlem> nirik,  i think we all have been busy one way or another with the release
16:22:08 <nirik> yeah, busy times.
16:22:38 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor?
16:23:12 <EvilBob> Problems with LiveCD functionality and bugs with the resulting install need to get bugs filed
16:23:27 <nirik> sure.
16:24:20 <EvilBob> This is not being done apparently, as you all know I avoid and/or ignore these issues so I am a making stuff up apparently
16:25:19 * nirik hasn't had issues, but that doesn't mean there aren't many to be filed. ;)
16:26:19 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute here.
16:26:24 <EvilBob> Yeah the problems come from the users with some expectations, new users and experienced users are OK
16:26:54 <EvilBob> Good week over all
16:27:20 <nirik> yep. Keep up the good work everyone. Go out and help! ;)
16:27:22 <nirik> #endmeeting.