18:00:00 #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2011-03-10) 18:00:00 Meeting started Thu Mar 10 18:00:00 2011 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:01 #meetingname irc-support-sig 18:00:01 #topic init process 18:00:01 The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:00:08 Who all is around for some free bacon? 18:00:40 Tada. 18:02:04 * zcat omnom 18:02:12 * jsmith is here for a few minutes, but is double-booked already :-/ 18:02:23 but... we have bacon. ;) 18:03:14 .moarbacon zcat 18:03:15 zcat, here, have some more bacon 18:03:24 .moarbacon jskarvad 18:03:24 jskarvad, here, have some more bacon 18:03:28 ermm.. 18:03:41 * VileGent 18:03:41 Don't you hate when you mistab but don't feel like spamming further? 18:03:48 * thomasj is here 18:03:48 ok, lets go ahead and get started then... 18:03:56 #topic Week in review 18:03:56 http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 18:04:07 * EvilBob 18:04:18 pretty typical week... not even too much noise from alpha which seems kinda odd. 18:04:48 Just here and there, and oddly (to me) mostly post-install questions.. 18:04:49 f15a is very different operationally 18:04:57 9 kicks (8 due to paste flooding) 18:05:03 People have been reading the "FUD" about GNOME probably 18:05:10 Perhaps 18:05:24 6 bans. 18:05:41 "FUD" ? that gnome3 works for folks? what has been going around for rumors? 18:06:02 a few redirections to #fedora-qa 18:06:03 * nirik thinks we don't want to get into a gnome3 discussion here. 18:06:07 Does FUD mean Found Under Dialog since all of the buttons are gone? 18:06:09 fenrus02: Some people like it. Some people think it's downright awful. 'Nuff said. 18:06:21 and was it the Beta or the RC where stop redirecting people to #fedora-qa? 18:06:24 Agreed, no gnome3 bashing here :D 18:06:25 *where we 18:06:26 jsmith, *nod* i'm in one of those two camps ;) 18:06:42 zcat: After Beta I think... 18:06:48 fenrus02: I'm somewhere in the union of those two camps :-) 18:06:56 alright 18:07:42 ok, anything anyone would like to shout out from the last week? if not, I will move on. 18:08:21 generalized screaming, or something directed? 18:08:31 focused screaming? ;) 18:08:34 #topic Tickets 18:08:34 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 18:08:41 we have 2 tickets this week: 18:09:09 .title https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/32 18:09:09 nirik: #32 (Fedora's support rocks. Thank you all who made this possible!) - irc-support-sig - Trac 18:09:13 beta is when historicly we support the next release 18:09:26 and 18:09:31 .title https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/30 18:09:32 nirik: #30 (Lots of kudos to dcr266!) - irc-support-sig - Trac 18:09:53 so, kudos to dcr226 and the channel in general. ;) 18:09:53 .moarwork dcr226 18:09:53 dcr226 here, have some more work 18:10:01 Nice to get positive feedback... 18:10:17 err, s/work/bacon/ 8) 18:11:11 Anyone like to thank the submitters and close tickets this week? 18:11:24 lol, thanks :-) 18:11:32 I would like to have a job 18:11:46 thomasj: want to close tickets for us? ;) 18:11:51 yeah 18:11:56 thanks! 18:11:56 #action SG will close 18:12:04 welcome :) 18:12:17 #undo 18:12:21 * dcr226 lulz 18:12:23 #topic fedbot tweaking feedback 18:12:24 * feedback url announcement after 100 lines of activity 18:12:24 * quiet commands 18:12:35 go for it thomasj 18:12:36 VileGent: I don't think it took... so we are good. ;) 18:12:42 * Sonar_Gal sneaks in 18:12:52 only 100 lines? 18:12:59 so, we adjusted fedbot last week... it now after 100 lines of actual activity, spews the feedback message. 18:13:07 yep -join/parts 18:13:11 no 18:13:11 (this does not include join/part/actions, etc) 18:13:24 dcr226: no? 18:13:36 * thomasj thinks 100 lines is fine 18:13:39 sorry, ignore me - I didn't see VileGent's "-" 18:14:18 nirik, how often has the @feedback been spewing a message now? 18:14:21 we can adjust this, but I think it's resulting in a increase in feedback, and its not too anoying. 18:14:36 * dcr226 likes 100 lines as well, seems to be about right 18:14:38 fenrus02: every 100 lines. ;) Which varies widely. 18:14:39 sometimes 100 lines is a few hours, sometimes 10mins. it's fine i guess. 18:14:40 100 lines +1 18:15:16 ok, cool. 18:15:24 Yeah I wanted it activity based, I think 100 is good, we tried 1000, that was every coulpe days 18:15:27 zcat, yeah thats why we went for a line counter, opposed to a timer 18:15:41 The other thing added is the quiet and quiet15m commands to silence someone disruptive... 18:15:57 we also now I think have it so it tells them they have been silenced (in channel) 18:16:01 thank you dcr226 for the message plugin 18:16:10 * dcr226 ^5s EvilBob 18:16:25 nirik, it can be switched to pm if needed, in the config options 18:16:28 i'm hoping for a few per day ... maybe a dozen 18:16:56 dcr226, I don't think we should pm anyone as we don't want them PM'ing us 18:17:03 dcr226: I don't think pm is good. ;) 18:17:28 dcr226, you mean the quiet message in pm? 18:17:32 yeah, just saying - its in the options :-) 18:17:33 plus in the channel helps the bleeding hearts know what is going on, as stated before 18:17:37 thomasj, yeah 18:17:49 That's an option 18:17:53 Not bad 18:18:10 NOTE: I was just bigging myself up, not trying to start the conversation about pm/non pm :-) 18:18:17 But yeah, EvilBob is right. 18:18:35 * Sonar_Gal takes dcr226's bacon away 18:18:35 s/is/is\ always 18:18:42 ;) 18:18:43 * thomasj chuckles 18:18:44 ha. 18:18:47 dreamer ;) 18:18:53 ok, anything further on bots for now? 18:18:57 s/right/righteous 18:19:01 ;-) 18:19:05 got it 18:19:10 bots... in social 18:19:26 oh, I will setup a git repo for our plugins at some point here... so we can publish all our source and more easily work on it. 18:19:29 we have channels for people to play with bots in 18:19:32 Bah, got called away and missed the spam discussion... Ah well :) 18:19:32 we apparently have a growing collection of bots in -social 18:19:48 nirik, yeah - that would be awesome 18:19:55 I would like to see non-service bots stay in those places 18:20:07 * dcr226 hasn't got any bots in -social fwiw 18:20:15 * dcr226 checks just incase 18:20:16 nirik, github or fp.o? 18:20:23 dcr226, someone put it in -social yesterday 18:20:25 fenrus02: whatever works. 18:20:27 I thought that's what the botplay or whatever channel was for 18:20:35 botgames 18:21:02 Sonar_Gal, nuts. Both you can EvilBob have ops on it for that reason, sorry about that 18:21:10 s/can/and 18:21:26 dcr226: a bounce worked effectively 18:21:32 dcr226, No biggie 18:21:34 yeah 18:21:47 I perm-banned it from #fedora 18:21:50 ages ago 18:22:10 wasn't there another one that came in the other day? or am I misremembing? 18:22:20 there was also the bot with the forecasts. 18:22:28 nirik, That was vw's 18:22:36 so I think he put both in 18:22:39 dp97 or something like that 18:22:41 ah. 18:22:54 * nirik is fine with booting any bots that are being disruptive... 18:23:03 dp76's bot is just doing forecast stuff 18:23:05 +! 18:23:06 +1 18:23:14 do we want to add a note on the faq? ask before dropping your bot into channel? 18:23:15 so it's a service 18:23:26 * Sonar_Guy boots nirik from -social for being disruptive! ;-) 18:23:32 damn.. seems to be stylish now to have a bot.. I need one as well 18:23:36 nirik, nah - just let the ops kick/ban them 18:23:38 Sonar_Guy: Thats me. ;) 18:23:42 well, disruptive gets booted ... no matter if it's a bot or not. why put a special note? 18:23:43 N3LRX did ask me before putting his in FWIW 18:24:00 EvilBob, can I?........ 18:24:02 ;-) 18:24:06 dcr226: no 18:24:08 ;) 18:24:10 lol 18:24:19 once in a while it's fun for a short time 18:24:24 totally agree 18:24:32 ok, so any action to take here? or just note that if your bot is causing problems it will be deactivated and shown the dust bin? ;) 18:24:38 I think that applies to anyone 18:24:51 yes it does 18:24:51 nirik: I think a note is fine 18:24:55 Some bots have more interesting things to say than some users. 18:24:56 +1, just leave it to the -social ops to kick/ban 18:25:02 Khaytsus, indeed 18:25:53 ok, any more bot news? or shall we move on? 18:26:11 move on 18:26:19 #topic DST 18:26:20 Daylight Savings time is coming. Move meeting an hour or leave it at 18:26:20 the same time UTC moving forward? 18:26:28 Any votes on times after DST? 18:26:38 1) keep time same UTC (ie, move an hour local) 18:26:48 not to change time or I can't attend again 18:26:50 2) move the meeting to 17UTC to match the change 18:27:06 Sonar_Gal: You're in EST right? So the time will be changing if it stays in UTC 18:27:14 has to be after 12:30 for me to attend 18:27:26 * nirik doesn't care too much either way. Happy to do whatever to keep folks able to attend. 18:27:49 I'm usually in meeting after 1pm Eastern but sometimes not.. like today 18:28:15 * dcr226 doesn't care now he has a bouncer working 18:28:22 I normally have meeting up 24/7 but not here with my schedule 18:28:27 * dcr226 can always send gamesbot in, to do his dirty work 18:28:34 -1 UTC 18:28:45 so, looking like 17UTC would work better for folks then... 18:28:51 -1 UTC 18:28:54 d/dcr226/eliza/ and see how long it takes anyone to notice? 18:29:10 ENOUGH with the bots stuff please 18:29:11 fenrus02, it took P2 about 25 minutes, and around 15 kicks 18:29:32 Come on guys 18:30:04 lets get moving 18:30:06 * nirik is fine with -1UTC/17UTC 18:30:06 nirik, ~noon ct would work the same for me after dst too. 18:30:27 lets go ahead and do that. ;) (of course .eu doesn't change until later in the month) 18:30:57 * dcr226 curses stupid DST 18:31:18 Yeas, 17UTC is fine with me, local time unchanged for DST. 18:31:22 * nirik waits for screams. 18:31:33 Unless I need more coffee...... It's been.. a day 18:31:34 #agreed Meeting will move to 17UTC starting next week. 18:31:39 #topic Open Floor 18:31:40 Sold for 1700UTC 18:31:44 anything for open floor? 18:31:44 ;) 18:32:13 not from me! 18:32:20 \\ // 18:32:25 \/ 18:32:28 * Khaytsus facepalms 18:32:31 \/ 18:32:32 heh... bye 18:32:39 * Sonar_Guy <--- None Here 18:32:50 * dcr226 [ OK ] 18:32:51 okey dokey. :) Thanks for coming everyone! 18:32:55 #endmeeting