17:07:14 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-06-07)
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17:07:14 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:07:14 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:07:14 <nirik> #topic init process
17:07:24 <nirik> sorry for the late start folks, got sidetracked.
17:07:25 * N3LRX 
17:08:18 <nirik> who all is around? just me and N3LRX today? ;)
17:08:42 * Khaytsus 
17:09:13 <vwbusguy> hi there
17:09:43 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in. I suspect we may defer some things again this week. ;)
17:09:53 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:09:53 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html
17:10:14 <nirik> busy week. seemed like lots of folks jumping on f17
17:10:32 <nirik> anything anyone would like to shout out from the last week?
17:11:14 * Khaytsus saved $100 on his car insurance
17:11:30 <nirik> heh
17:12:48 <vwbusguy> nirik, what was the height of numbers in the room?
17:12:58 <nirik> dunno. Didn't keep track
17:13:06 <nirik> #topic ticket 108 - Proposal for Ammendment to the IRC Support SIGPolicy
17:13:18 <vwbusguy> seems like this release didn't have as high of numbers as some in the oast
17:13:23 <vwbusguy> *past
17:13:34 <nirik> I think EvilBob and Sonar_Gal were going to work on this, but haven't had a chance to yet. so I would propose slipping it another week.
17:13:54 <nirik> vwbusguy: yeah, it didn't seem as massively busy on release day, but it's been steady since then I think
17:15:11 <N3LRX> Yes, EvilBob and Sonar_Gal are working on amendments as well. It's best we do them as one.
17:15:11 <Khaytsus> Everyone stopped sniggering about the name and realized that F17 was _really_ named that and it was actually released.
17:16:18 <nirik> N3LRX: yeah, agreed.
17:16:26 <nirik> #info will revisit this next week.
17:16:32 <nirik> #topic ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members
17:16:53 <nirik> I voted in the wiki page, but I think EvilBob and I and Khaytsus are the only ones who have... I'd prefer to see more folks voting on it.
17:17:05 <vwbusguy> link?
17:17:56 <EvilBob> Sorry I'm late
17:17:58 * nirik digs it up
17:18:02 <nirik> it's in the ticket.
17:18:21 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bjensen/sandbox/IRC_SIG/Ticket_107
17:18:25 <nirik> hey EvilBob
17:18:52 <EvilBob> Sorry I'm late
17:19:26 <EvilBob> ticket 107, I guess those that cared voted
17:20:02 <EvilBob> I have a really bad cell connection here
17:20:04 <EvilBob> I did not want to "IRC While Driving"
17:20:43 <nirik> yeah, thats a bad idea.
17:20:55 <vwbusguy> nirik, can I recommend they aren't voters but left ops?
17:20:58 <nirik> EvilBob: so, you think we just tally now? or try and get some more folks to vote there?
17:21:02 <EvilBob> vwbusguy: the idea is to get rid of dead wood and seat warmers
17:21:03 <nirik> vwbusguy: yes
17:21:19 <EvilBob> ops should vote IMO
17:22:06 * nirik nods.
17:22:11 <EvilBob> Lets push this another week I guess... I don't fully agree with doing that but such is life.
17:22:31 <nirik> yeah, everyone has been really busy, but perhaps we try and remind people as we see them this week...
17:22:54 <EvilBob> The election ends today, the release was last week,
17:23:04 <EvilBob> Remember everyone that voting started 2012-06-01 00:00UTC and runs through 2012-06-07 23:59UTC for several parts of the Fedora™ Project including the Fedora™ Project Project Board. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections
17:23:15 <nirik> any objections to pushing this out a week?
17:24:09 <nirik> #info will revisit ticket 107 next week.
17:24:16 <nirik> #topic ticket 114 - Complaint about EvilBob abusing power
17:24:19 <N3LRX> no objections. (voting now)
17:24:21 * vwbusguy voted in the elections, as usual
17:24:27 <nirik> I added my thoughts to this ticket.
17:25:16 <EvilBob> I have no regrets to my actions on this ticket other than I should have directed it to a freenode staff member for a k-line instead
17:25:33 <N3LRX> dan408, VICODAN is tough to deal with.
17:25:43 <nirik> personally, I'd give them another chance, but thats just me.
17:25:52 <EvilBob> His hate speech and homophobic crap should have been banned earlier than I did.
17:25:56 <l0ft1369> where can I view this ticket?
17:26:09 <EvilBob> He has had "another chance" repeatedly
17:26:23 <Khaytsus> He needs to even out his meds
17:26:46 <nirik> l0ft1369: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/114
17:26:49 <EvilBob> He served a release ban and ban evaded last release and no one did anything about it because he was being have
17:26:55 <l0ft1369> nirik: thank you sir
17:27:33 <EvilBob> I un-banned his nick VICODAN when I cleaned up the ban list in -social not long ago
17:27:39 <nirik> I think lots of people push things in social... he was also being baited by other folks in there. Sure he should have known better, but still...
17:28:10 <EvilBob> He was not baited when I should have banned/requested a k-line in the first place
17:28:37 <EvilBob> I let it go hoping he would run out of steam and he didn't so he was warned.
17:28:52 <Khaytsus> Wait, are his logs edited?
17:28:55 * Khaytsus looks at his own logs
17:29:26 <l0ft1369> those logs are hard to follow
17:29:36 <EvilBob> the intentional ban evasion and "learn to ban" crap proves his intent to disrespect the freenode and channel rules including the ops and other in the channel.
17:29:39 <nirik> yeah, and the ban evasion was bad.
17:30:09 <EvilBob> He can have another chance next release
17:30:12 * l0ft1369 nods
17:30:17 <N3LRX> not once but several times.
17:30:40 * nirik notes the ticket doesn't actually ask to have the ban removed.
17:30:53 <EvilBob> I issued the bans I did to give him enough rope to hang himself
17:31:14 <nirik> the increasing length of bans setup is to give people a chance to think about their actions.
17:31:28 <nirik> since he expended them all in 2minutes, he didn't really have much time to think about it.
17:31:41 <EvilBob> He chose to not think and only act
17:32:04 <nirik> in any case I'm ok with closing this out, and if he would like the ban removed he can submit a new ticket for that along with a promise to behave.
17:32:06 <EvilBob> Now he will have ~6 months to think
17:32:45 <Khaytsus> He's free to ignore whoever he wants, and he can always join -ops or some related channel to ask about the ban.  Ban evading then _bragging_ about the "ban fail" or whatever was just being a jerk
17:33:02 <EvilBob> Khaytsus: +1
17:33:10 * nirik nods.
17:33:27 <EvilBob> Ignoring an op in a channel that is involved is just a stupid idea
17:33:29 <N3LRX> +1 nirik +1 Khaytsus
17:33:41 <Khaytsus> He probably knows by now most bans are 15m unless circumstances dictate more..
17:33:42 <EvilBob> Close it out +1
17:33:48 <nirik> ok.
17:33:59 <nirik> any objections or further comments?
17:34:03 <Khaytsus> I say close it too, if he wants to pursue it more, another ticket and/or discussion in -ops
17:34:17 <nirik> +1
17:34:24 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:34:24 <EvilBob> agreed
17:34:29 <nirik> ok, anything for open floor?
17:34:48 <EvilBob> again, WFP<something> is... WOW
17:35:04 <Khaytsus> 15 is EOL in 2 weeks?
17:35:10 <EvilBob> He keeps finding new ways to amaze me
17:35:10 <nirik> @f15eol
17:35:17 * Khaytsus nods
17:35:21 <nirik> EvilBob: yeah.
17:35:23 <N3LRX> Perhaps we should amend "This channel will be periodically cleared" to the -unreg topic or join msg.
17:35:53 <EvilBob> N3LRX: no one reads them anyhow
17:36:10 <EvilBob> N3LRX: I had to point out the THREE messages to a user the other day
17:36:14 * orc_fedo reads it ;)
17:36:32 <EvilBob> orc_fedo: have you fixed your client yet?
17:36:38 <orc_fedo> EvilBob: ;)
17:36:45 * l0ft1369 reads whatever it is I'm supposed to
17:37:06 <Khaytsus> I wonder if some clients hide the messages.  I;'ve heard some clients even obscure the topic
17:37:11 <nirik> anyhow, if nothing else will close out in a minute...
17:38:04 <EvilBob> You join the channel and chanserv helps, then the topic is posted, then fedbot addresses you, then I kick and ban for 5 min with a note to read the messages.
17:38:36 <l0ft1369> can you check the topic?
17:38:42 <l0ft1369> like with @topic or something?
17:38:51 <EvilBob> This is not a support Channel | You must register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to join #fedora. See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup after you register and receive your confirmation e-mail you need to /msg NickServ identify <password> and then /join #fedora | DO NOT click on spammed links | Depending on your client "/set irc_join_delay 10" to delay joining 10 seconds
17:38:54 <EvilBob> /topic
17:39:10 <l0ft1369> oh ok
17:39:11 <Khaytsus> l0ft1369: All clients have a topic somehere, at least I'd hope so, but I hear some of them don't make it excactly stand out
17:39:29 <l0ft1369> oh yea there it is oops my bad sorry for the redic question guys
17:40:05 <EvilBob> the chan serv message might be on a different "window or tab" so I can understand that but the fedbot message has to get to them
17:40:25 <nirik> EvilBob: you would sure think so.
17:40:37 <nirik> too bad irc doesn't have a <blink> tag. ;)
17:40:49 <EvilBob> lol
17:40:57 <Khaytsus> I bet mirc does
17:41:01 * Khaytsus shudders
17:41:06 <EvilBob> We could BOLD it and put it in all CAPS
17:41:29 <EvilBob> make every other word a different color?
17:41:36 <l0ft1369> but then I would think you were yelling at me! :-(
17:41:45 <l0ft1369> in techno color!
17:41:50 <nirik> Or mcelwane it... ThIS ImPORTant InFORMAtioN is...
17:41:51 <EvilBob> Anyhow, VOTE and VOTE and VOTE
17:42:09 <nirik> right, thanks for coming everyone. Go vote in fedora elections if you havent already!
17:42:32 * l0ft1369 waves
17:42:36 <EvilBob> Buh Bye, again sorry I was late
17:42:48 <nirik> #endmeeting