17:00:01 #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-06-14) 17:00:01 Meeting started Thu Jun 14 17:00:01 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:02 #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:02 #topic init process 17:00:02 The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:08 who all is around for a meeting? 17:00:15 * N3LRX 17:00:18 * DiscordianUK is 17:00:51 * Khaytsus 17:01:39 Hi Team, I am Sudhir Menon from India with 3 years of experience and would like to contribute for the infrastructure team. 17:01:44 * GreenDance is present. 17:01:57 sdrfed17: the infra meeting is in an hour. ;) 17:02:08 this is the irc support sig meeting. ;) 17:02:18 oh ok 17:02:31 no problem. This is the right place. 17:02:36 just in an hour 17:03:01 thanks nirik, will join in an hour 17:03:08 ok, lets hit the agenda and see what we can get done. 17:03:15 #topic Week in review 17:03:15 http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:03:35 awesome. I'm not in the top 25. ;) 17:03:42 anything to note from this week from anyone? 17:04:11 nirik, must have been a busy week for infra ;-) 17:04:22 yeah, been pretty busy. 17:04:48 ok, moving on then... 17:04:50 #topic ticket 108 - Proposal for Ammendment to the IRC Support SIGPolicy 17:04:56 where are we on this? 17:05:09 got a link? 17:05:35 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/108 17:05:55 sandbox proposal at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dp67/sandbox/irc-sig 17:06:10 Still waiting on EvilBobs sister amendment. 17:06:15 overall I'm fine with it, but I think EvilBob and Sonar_Gal were going to work on adding some stuff to it. 17:06:28 I'm pro "make something happen, its been dragging on" 17:06:38 (stuff can be changed later) 17:06:52 sure, we could look at this now and add additions to it later when they are ready. 17:07:20 * nirik notes EvilBob was going to try and make it today, but was traveling, so will be late. 17:07:37 bump the ticket until the end...see if Bob turns up? 17:07:53 I'd like to do that, over bumping it another week in honesty 17:08:34 sure. 17:08:52 #info revisit again later in the meeting 17:08:54 #topic ticket 107 - Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members 17:09:00 * Sonar_Gal is here 17:09:17 shall we tally votes on this one? last I looked there was not many folks providing input. 17:09:53 yep 17:09:54 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107 17:10:04 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bjensen/sandbox/IRC_SIG/Ticket_107 17:10:10 to me if they said they don't care or didn't respond then we should vote taking them off the list 17:10:16 Many of the people up for removal predate my time in -ops 17:10:21 Sonar_Gal, +1 17:10:28 I'd +1 17:10:34 +1 17:10:41 Sonar_Gal: that was broadly my vote too. :) 17:10:41 I thnk they have had plenty of time to have a say 17:10:49 * dcr226 nods..its been a few weeks 17:11:13 in the future I think they should get 4 weeks after we say something to be voted off or respond to the request or tickets 17:11:14 lets face it, its not going to be difficult for any of those users to re-establish their position 17:11:33 looks like Bob might be home 17:11:39 so, we can tally out of meeting and work on implementing. 17:11:51 anyone who didn't vote on there should do so asap 17:12:38 #info will tally and act on ticket 107 17:12:40 * EvilBob 17:12:48 hey EvilBob 17:13:03 +1 (even though I don't see much downside in keeping a stagnant list) 17:13:21 shall we move on then? or anything further on ticket 107? 17:13:42 It's been plenty of time 17:13:44 dcr226: Not home but parked in a safe spot 17:13:46 ;) 17:13:59 (I sortof like how it's a record of the past) 17:14:19 EvilBob, http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bad-parking1.jpg 17:14:22 zcat: but some have never been active 17:14:25 like that? 17:14:29 zcat, If they are not going to help or provide input what good are people on a list 17:14:30 yeah, some folks I had no idea who they even were. ;) 17:14:40 anyhow, shall we move on? 17:14:46 Move it on 17:14:53 #topic ticket 115 - Fedora-related IRC logs/archive site 17:15:12 -1 AKA No as I stated on the ticket 17:15:19 I think it might be possible to make a searchable version of logs for finding problems, but I surely don't want to commit to that kind of work. 17:15:24 and I think it could be misused. 17:15:33 nirik, it could be flawed with bad advice 17:15:36 -1 17:15:37 so I am fine with just saying no. 17:15:38 -1 on this 17:15:41 dcr226: yep. 17:15:48 If people want logs they can log it themselves 17:15:49 I'm -1 17:16:13 sounds like we have a consensus here of no. ;) 17:16:19 yep, close it off :) 17:16:19 agreed 17:16:27 #action decline to setup anything like this for the many reasons listed in the ticket. 17:16:43 We have actually talked about this before and there are no new compelling reasons 17:16:43 #topic ticket 108 - Proposal for Ammendment to the IRC Support SIGPolicy 17:16:56 revisiting this topic since EvilBob and Sonar_Gal are around now. ;) 17:17:17 I am +1 to the proposal as it sits added changes can be made later 17:17:22 +1 17:17:37 sure, works for me. 17:17:59 * nirik re-reads it over one last time. 17:18:07 Some content should be moved around so it is more clear, add definitions and links but no major content changes 17:18:14 EvilBob, And I will hopefully be able to get together to finish working on this but the past few weeks have been hectic for both of us 17:18:36 Yup I've still not been home in 2 weeks 17:18:44 no worries. 17:18:49 Will be going home on Sunday or Monday 17:18:59 * dcr226 is +1, let it fly, fix any issues as they arrise 17:19:13 Editing the Wiki is just a little rough on my Cell modem 17:19:15 I'd like to thank N3LRX for working on this too. 17:19:25 * EvilBob grins 17:19:27 and the other pages he's worked on. Appreciated. 17:19:51 #action approve revisions on ticket 108, further changes to come later as they are ready. 17:19:54 N3LRX: Just don't tell them who did a bunch of the work or some will change their minds... 17:20:11 lol 17:20:27 * dcr226 would like to nominate EvilBob as official irc-support-sig wiki wrangler 17:20:31 EvilBob, it's garden season here so you know how busy I am 17:20:31 wait a second... did bob work on this? I'm against it! 17:20:37 lol 17:20:41 ;) 17:20:49 Is this where I'm paid to disagree with Bob? 17:20:49 anyhow, anything else on ticket 108? 17:20:53 * dcr226 hasn't 17:20:56 Wait, I wasn't supposed to let anyone know that 17:20:59 Khaytsus: you get paid for that? cool! 17:21:12 #topic Open Floor 17:21:20 anyone have anything for open floor? 17:21:25 nirik: I was told it could be in the millions, but they didn't say how often I'd have to do it. Something about "universal entropy?:" 17:21:25 nirik: I took N3LRX's initial draft added a bunch to it then fed it back to N3LRX via gobby... 17:21:41 I have one note... I will be gone the next two meetings. :) 17:21:55 nirik: I can handle next week for sure 17:21:59 EvilBob: yeah, didn't mean to diminish your work on all this either... thanks for working on it. 17:22:10 I noticed a user was banned in the week for posting p0rn, totally understand the move...but be careful not to over-ride the SOP we spent so many weeks deciding on ;-) 17:22:26 dcr226: +1 17:22:31 I have a question, it's fedora related, is that 'ok'? 17:22:34 +1, yes... 17:22:34 It was necessary for them to be banned 17:22:44 DiscordianUK, it was outside of the SOP 17:22:51 I did ban one one person for posting an obscene link. What is the proper amount of time to keep the ban? 17:22:55 GreenDance: well, does it concern irc support ? or ? 17:23:06 It was within the freenode guidelines 17:23:10 N3LRX, 0 currently, it should have been +q, kick, kickban15m....and so on 17:23:25 nirik, no, sorry, should I wait for a different meeting? 17:23:47 N3LRX: I'll help you out with that this coming week, sorry I've been so busy 17:23:53 If N3LRX hadn't banned them I would have 17:24:05 GreenDance: General support takes place in #fedora 17:24:10 DiscordianUK, then you would have been wrong 17:24:14 greendance ask in #fedora 17:24:16 GreenDance: depends. whats the question? if it's just a general support question then yeah, #fedora. 17:24:16 this isn't about N3LRX, its about process 17:24:32 nirik, it's not a support question. 17:24:36 * dcr226 is a stickler for proces...just incase anyone didn't notice ;-) 17:24:45 Assuredly but that user needed banning and should have been k-lined 17:24:47 right, we have a system where we escalate... quiet, then kick, then ban 15m, then... 17:25:04 I think he was klined in the end. 17:25:08 bypassing that to go to perm ban shouldn't be done unless the sig agrees or something. 17:25:10 Then ask in #fedora-social 17:25:16 ok, thank you. 17:25:24 DiscordianUK, I'm just saying...bypassing the s-o-p leaves us (the sig) open to attack potentially 17:25:30 oh, what's the bot op for quiet? 17:25:39 we all know how well the sig's actions are scruitinized sometimes 17:25:44 the wiki, i think I ran into something that if you followed it, it didn'twork , it was on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers 17:25:55 I had suggested a k-line to a freenode staffer 17:25:57 nm 17:26:01 zcat: quiet15m I think 17:26:12 it was down where the koji stuff was...let me get the section.... 17:26:30 kc8hfi: wrong channel? 17:26:34 if they have been k-lined, then thats fine, but we don't need any action there. 17:26:36 kc8hfi, I'm not sure that's a support-sig thing 17:26:55 oh, I seen peole discussing the wiki, i assumed it was that wiki. 17:27:12 but never mind, the instructions are fine, i screwed up. 17:27:15 kc8hfi: same wiki, but different content. ;) 17:27:34 nirik: ahh 17:27:41 sorry about interrupting there. 17:27:55 no worries at all. 17:28:41 ok, if nothing else will close out the meeting in a min. 17:29:07 yeah quick meetings 17:29:12 that account looks active to me btw - "nash" 17:29:22 narsh 17:29:34 was the person who posted porn 17:29:34 ah 17:29:47 also...looks active 17:30:03 note: I could be querying nickserv incorrectly 17:30:16 Dunno if they were klined on not it was well past midnight 17:30:24 why on earth do I still have my irc client screaming at me about 'nash' 17:30:37 pjones, is is nash annoying? 17:30:39 ;-) 17:30:44 dcr226: I wonder how many people set their nick up as "close to" nickserv to get passwords 17:30:52 Khaytsus, yeah 17:30:56 pjones, "fond memories" ? (/nightmares) 17:31:08 so anyway, what are we going to do about this existing ban? 17:31:18 dcr226: +1 to remove it. 17:31:28 then next time it's the next notch up 17:32:05 yep, seems sensible 17:32:10 N3LRX, you good with that? 17:32:22 Fine with me. 17:32:44 if they fail again, boot em again 17:32:47 +1 17:32:49 did fishporn guy ask to be -b ? 17:33:15 fenrus02, nah...its just that the ban was outside of the s-o-p 17:33:46 oic. 17:33:50 wait...fish porn??? 17:33:54 * dcr226 hits the logs 17:34:01 ;-) 17:34:06 we should also avoid the name bans with no timelimit... 17:34:19 did we get name/login based bans working with the bot? 17:34:35 I think we got account bans working, is that the same thing? 17:34:36 He posted a link of a picture with a guy stuffed fish up his cornhole. 17:34:45 LOL 17:34:53 tmi 17:35:04 dcr226: yeah, if we could set those to be timed too that might be nice. 17:35:20 I've got a couple of hours I can poke the bot with tonight if you want 17:36:08 sure. 17:36:14 ok, thanks for coming everyone... 17:36:21 #endmeeting