18:00:14 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-04-18)
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18:00:14 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
18:00:14 <nirik> #topic init process
18:00:14 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
18:00:23 <nirik> who all is around for a irc support sig meeting?
18:00:28 * jsmith is here
18:01:03 <nirik> if anyone is looking for the Fedora Board meeting, thats over in #fedora-meeting-1
18:01:15 <nirik> if anyone is looking for the F19 Alpha go/no-go meeting, thats over in #fedora-meeting-2
18:01:21 * StillBob 
18:01:22 <nirik> it's meeting day here at Fedora. ;)
18:01:31 <ausmarton> hi
18:01:53 * DiscordianUK is here
18:02:42 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and get started.
18:02:44 <nirik> #topic Week in review
18:02:56 <nirik> any support issues from the last week we should note or discuss?
18:03:15 * jsmith isn't aware of anything
18:03:27 <DiscordianUK> Not that I've seen
18:03:45 <nirik> yeah, seems like a pretty typical week...
18:03:55 <nirik> ok, shall we move along to tickets then?
18:04:05 <StillBob> yup
18:04:07 <nirik> #topic ticket#143 ban from #fedora, threaten by fenrus02
18:04:13 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/143
18:04:38 <StillBob> OzBorne: I have two questions, I would like you to answer the first then I will ask the second.
18:04:42 <StillBob> OzBorne: First, Why should you be banned from the channel? What have you done?
18:05:19 * nirik doesn't know if OzBorne is still around. Hopefully so
18:06:17 <nirik> looking like not.
18:06:21 <StillBob> AS rude and demanding as they have been this week they should be here...
18:06:23 * nirik doesn't know what time it is there.
18:06:39 <StillBob> nirik: about 19:00
18:06:44 <pingou> it's 20:00 in his tz
18:06:44 <DiscordianUK> Well could be UTC+3
18:07:03 <StillBob> now we know
18:07:20 <StillBob> maybe someone could PM them and wake them up?
18:08:04 <DiscordianUK> Done
18:08:26 <StillBob> If this is as important to them as they have made it seem I would think that they would make every effort to make it.
18:08:31 * OzBorne si there
18:08:36 <StillBob> OzBorne: I have two questions, I would like you to answer the first then I will ask the second.
18:08:40 <StillBob> OzBorne: First, Why should you be banned from the channel? What have you done?
18:10:19 <OzBorne> I dont know, seems i annoyed some people but i was only trying to help someone when fenrus02 came and hush me then ban me
18:10:37 <StillBob> No... from the start
18:10:58 <StillBob> from the first time you were banned
18:11:15 <OzBorne> i dont remember
18:11:20 <OzBorne> i think it was trolling
18:11:23 <StillBob> Let us discuss every ban you have had
18:11:35 <StillBob> we have a full hour, we might need it
18:12:03 <StillBob> so You admit you have a history of trolling?
18:12:08 <OzBorne> yes
18:12:25 <StillBob> You admit that you have a problem with authority?
18:12:38 <StillBob> Come on, this should be coming from you, not me
18:12:41 <OzBorne> authoritarian people yes
18:13:03 <StillBob> OzBorne: Why should you be banned from the channel? What have you done?
18:13:13 <OzBorne> nothing
18:13:23 <StillBob> You've done nothing, ever.
18:13:47 <StillBob> Case closed. Leave the ban in place. I'll keep my second question to myself
18:13:59 <OzBorne> i have a history of trolling.. YES but this time i was trying to give a help to a french fedora user
18:14:18 <DiscordianUK> Just once
18:14:36 <StillBob> You were not trying that hard to help honestly.
18:14:40 <DiscordianUK> That hardly offsets all the trolling
18:15:00 <StillBob> I vote to maintain the ban for the duration of the current Fedora™ release
18:15:20 <StillBob> nb has expressed the same in the ticket
18:15:21 <OzBorne> :(
18:15:37 <DiscordianUK> I vote for a permanent ban
18:15:48 <nirik> perhaps time to reflect and improve would be good.
18:16:08 * nirik always thinks people can change for the better... permanent seems so... permanent
18:16:11 <StillBob> Use this time away to become a better more understanding person
18:16:24 <DiscordianUK> but I'll +1 a release ban
18:16:32 <DiscordianUK> @f19eol
18:16:41 <DiscordianUK> errk
18:16:43 <StillBob> We don't premaban so release is what we have
18:16:53 * nirik nods.
18:16:56 <DiscordianUK> Release is not far away anyway
18:17:08 <nirik> there's other support avenues too... mailing lists, ask.fedoraproject.org, forums.
18:17:23 * StillBob will not mention #fedora-fr
18:17:28 <OzBorne> Im someone who need to learn linux and i choose Fedora
18:17:28 <StillBob> ;)
18:17:49 <OzBorne> so i need support
18:17:55 <nirik> there's other support avenues too... mailing lists, ask.fedoraproject.org, forums.
18:18:09 <StillBob> So we have 4 votes for the ban to remain
18:18:53 <StillBob> and none against
18:18:59 <nirik> sorry OzBorne. Please do ponder on things and come back refreshed ?
18:19:37 <StillBob> OzBorne: Watch for the F19 Gold announcement and come back at that point.
18:19:47 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:19:52 <nirik> Any items for open floor?
18:20:32 <StillBob> OzBorne: Oh, one other suggestion... stop sending people private messages without asking first.
18:20:32 <OzBorne> who are the votes?
18:20:55 <StillBob> Myself, nb, DiscordianUK and fenrus02
18:21:09 <OzBorne> i really need support because i go for a competitition in computing near soon
18:21:15 <OzBorne> and networking
18:21:22 <StillBob> OzBorne: not our problem
18:21:29 <OzBorne> Shall i vote
18:21:34 <StillBob> there's other support avenues too... mailing lists, ask.fedoraproject.org, forums.
18:21:43 <StillBob> OzBorne: You don't have a vote
18:21:45 <nirik> please use other support channels.
18:21:59 <OzBorne> what is my crime?*
18:22:21 <Southern_Gentlem> 1) interupting someone being helped in the channel repeatedly
18:22:33 <OzBorne> no
18:22:35 <Southern_Gentlem> 2) being be your own admission a troll
18:22:37 <OzBorne> i was interupted
18:22:52 <StillBob> OzBorne: We do not need to air all of your dirty laundry in this meeting
18:23:20 <StillBob> OzBorne: We have all discussed this with you to no end
18:23:30 <StillBob> OzBorne: We don't need to repeat it
18:23:49 <OzBorne> you started to harrass me on #fedora
18:23:52 <OzBorne> StillBob>
18:23:56 <StillBob> Check your logs for those discussions and also to review your behavior
18:24:03 * nirik sighs. shakes his head.
18:24:33 <StillBob> Oh yes... you are such a victim
18:24:41 <Southern_Gentlem> OzBorne,  sorry but your actions have caused all of this, its time to grow up take responsibility for your actions and move on
18:25:06 <StillBob> I gave you good sound suggestions the other day, perhaps you could act on them
18:25:21 <Southern_Gentlem> for someone asking for support you sure do not act like you are
18:25:51 <OzBorne> i think since the beginning i am not welcome in #fedora
18:26:07 <OzBorne> you're elitist
18:26:12 <StillBob> Oh yes... you are such a victim
18:26:15 * nirik doesn't agree.
18:26:44 <Southern_Gentlem> OzBorne,  we gave you a chance in #fedora several times since you have been banned from #fedora-fr and yet you always revert to the same stuff
18:27:09 <OzBorne> #fedora-fr is another problem
18:27:19 <StillBob> Same problem
18:27:26 <pingou> #fedora-fr is not a problem :]
18:27:29 <StillBob> You trolled them, they banned you
18:27:38 <Southern_Gentlem> being a interuption to the channel so much that other channel visitors are complaining about your trolling
18:27:39 * nirik doesn't think this is going to go anywhere productive...
18:27:46 * kc8hfi agrees
18:27:49 <nirik> any other items for open floor or shall we call it a meeting?
18:27:58 <StillBob> You then came to #fedora and trolled that channel and have been banned many times
18:29:04 <StillBob> I've nothing for the OpenFloor
18:29:34 <DiscordianUK> I also have nothing
18:30:40 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone
18:30:42 <nirik> #endmeeting