18:00:14 #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-04-18) 18:00:14 Meeting started Thu Apr 18 18:00:14 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:14 #meetingname irc-support-sig 18:00:14 #topic init process 18:00:14 The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 18:00:23 who all is around for a irc support sig meeting? 18:00:28 * jsmith is here 18:01:03 if anyone is looking for the Fedora Board meeting, thats over in #fedora-meeting-1 18:01:15 if anyone is looking for the F19 Alpha go/no-go meeting, thats over in #fedora-meeting-2 18:01:21 * StillBob 18:01:22 it's meeting day here at Fedora. ;) 18:01:31 hi 18:01:53 * DiscordianUK is here 18:02:42 ok, lets go ahead and get started. 18:02:44 #topic Week in review 18:02:56 any support issues from the last week we should note or discuss? 18:03:15 * jsmith isn't aware of anything 18:03:27 Not that I've seen 18:03:45 yeah, seems like a pretty typical week... 18:03:55 ok, shall we move along to tickets then? 18:04:05 yup 18:04:07 #topic ticket#143 ban from #fedora, threaten by fenrus02 18:04:13 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/143 18:04:38 OzBorne: I have two questions, I would like you to answer the first then I will ask the second. 18:04:42 OzBorne: First, Why should you be banned from the channel? What have you done? 18:05:19 * nirik doesn't know if OzBorne is still around. Hopefully so 18:06:17 looking like not. 18:06:21 AS rude and demanding as they have been this week they should be here... 18:06:23 * nirik doesn't know what time it is there. 18:06:39 nirik: about 19:00 18:06:44 it's 20:00 in his tz 18:06:44 Well could be UTC+3 18:07:03 now we know 18:07:20 maybe someone could PM them and wake them up? 18:08:04 Done 18:08:26 If this is as important to them as they have made it seem I would think that they would make every effort to make it. 18:08:31 * OzBorne si there 18:08:36 OzBorne: I have two questions, I would like you to answer the first then I will ask the second. 18:08:40 OzBorne: First, Why should you be banned from the channel? What have you done? 18:10:19 I dont know, seems i annoyed some people but i was only trying to help someone when fenrus02 came and hush me then ban me 18:10:37 No... from the start 18:10:58 from the first time you were banned 18:11:15 i dont remember 18:11:20 i think it was trolling 18:11:23 Let us discuss every ban you have had 18:11:35 we have a full hour, we might need it 18:12:03 so You admit you have a history of trolling? 18:12:08 yes 18:12:25 You admit that you have a problem with authority? 18:12:38 Come on, this should be coming from you, not me 18:12:41 authoritarian people yes 18:13:03 OzBorne: Why should you be banned from the channel? What have you done? 18:13:13 nothing 18:13:23 You've done nothing, ever. 18:13:47 Case closed. Leave the ban in place. I'll keep my second question to myself 18:13:59 i have a history of trolling.. YES but this time i was trying to give a help to a french fedora user 18:14:18 Just once 18:14:36 You were not trying that hard to help honestly. 18:14:40 That hardly offsets all the trolling 18:15:00 I vote to maintain the ban for the duration of the current Fedora™ release 18:15:20 nb has expressed the same in the ticket 18:15:21 :( 18:15:37 I vote for a permanent ban 18:15:48 perhaps time to reflect and improve would be good. 18:16:08 * nirik always thinks people can change for the better... permanent seems so... permanent 18:16:11 Use this time away to become a better more understanding person 18:16:24 but I'll +1 a release ban 18:16:32 @f19eol 18:16:41 errk 18:16:43 We don't premaban so release is what we have 18:16:53 * nirik nods. 18:16:56 Release is not far away anyway 18:17:08 there's other support avenues too... mailing lists, ask.fedoraproject.org, forums. 18:17:23 * StillBob will not mention #fedora-fr 18:17:28 Im someone who need to learn linux and i choose Fedora 18:17:28 ;) 18:17:49 so i need support 18:17:55 there's other support avenues too... mailing lists, ask.fedoraproject.org, forums. 18:18:09 So we have 4 votes for the ban to remain 18:18:53 and none against 18:18:59 sorry OzBorne. Please do ponder on things and come back refreshed ? 18:19:37 OzBorne: Watch for the F19 Gold announcement and come back at that point. 18:19:47 #topic Open Floor 18:19:52 Any items for open floor? 18:20:32 OzBorne: Oh, one other suggestion... stop sending people private messages without asking first. 18:20:32 who are the votes? 18:20:55 Myself, nb, DiscordianUK and fenrus02 18:21:09 i really need support because i go for a competitition in computing near soon 18:21:15 and networking 18:21:22 OzBorne: not our problem 18:21:29 Shall i vote 18:21:34 there's other support avenues too... mailing lists, ask.fedoraproject.org, forums. 18:21:43 OzBorne: You don't have a vote 18:21:45 please use other support channels. 18:21:59 what is my crime?* 18:22:21 1) interupting someone being helped in the channel repeatedly 18:22:33 no 18:22:35 2) being be your own admission a troll 18:22:37 i was interupted 18:22:52 OzBorne: We do not need to air all of your dirty laundry in this meeting 18:23:20 OzBorne: We have all discussed this with you to no end 18:23:30 OzBorne: We don't need to repeat it 18:23:49 you started to harrass me on #fedora 18:23:52 StillBob> 18:23:56 Check your logs for those discussions and also to review your behavior 18:24:03 * nirik sighs. shakes his head. 18:24:33 Oh yes... you are such a victim 18:24:41 OzBorne, sorry but your actions have caused all of this, its time to grow up take responsibility for your actions and move on 18:25:06 I gave you good sound suggestions the other day, perhaps you could act on them 18:25:21 for someone asking for support you sure do not act like you are 18:25:51 i think since the beginning i am not welcome in #fedora 18:26:07 you're elitist 18:26:12 Oh yes... you are such a victim 18:26:15 * nirik doesn't agree. 18:26:44 OzBorne, we gave you a chance in #fedora several times since you have been banned from #fedora-fr and yet you always revert to the same stuff 18:27:09 #fedora-fr is another problem 18:27:19 Same problem 18:27:26 #fedora-fr is not a problem :] 18:27:29 You trolled them, they banned you 18:27:38 being a interuption to the channel so much that other channel visitors are complaining about your trolling 18:27:39 * nirik doesn't think this is going to go anywhere productive... 18:27:46 * kc8hfi agrees 18:27:49 any other items for open floor or shall we call it a meeting? 18:27:58 You then came to #fedora and trolled that channel and have been banned many times 18:29:04 I've nothing for the OpenFloor 18:29:34 I also have nothing 18:30:40 thanks for coming everyone 18:30:42 #endmeeting