17:59:59 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-07-11)
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17:59:59 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:59:59 <nirik> #topic init process
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18:01:12 <dvanstone> o/
18:01:45 * nirik waves. waits a min more for folks.
18:02:20 <dvanstone> I am rather impressed with the fedup upgrade method very little cleanup afterward
18:02:23 * DiscordianUK is here
18:02:51 <DiscordianUK> not an issue for now Dvanstone
18:02:54 <nirik> yeah, from what I have seen it's been much better for folks...
18:03:01 <nirik> of course nothing is 100%
18:03:19 <nirik> #topic Week in review
18:03:20 <dvanstone> just scraped off some orphans and reinstalled the video
18:03:30 <nirik> anything from the previous week folks would like to shout out?
18:04:36 <DiscordianUK> steady trickle of folks grumbling about anaconda i guess
18:04:49 <nirik> less so than 18 tho... so we are making progress I hope.
18:05:14 <DiscordianUK> but I think generally f19 has proved better for most
18:05:37 <nirik> yeah, seems a nice solid release, IMHO.
18:06:06 <Khaytsus> It hasn't eaten any of my cats yet.
18:06:13 <DiscordianUK> I've had one success and one less successful install
18:07:23 * nirik has had no problems here really.
18:07:26 <dvanstone> DiscordianUK� had some xfce panel issue and gnome seems faster than f17 haven't played in 19 much yet
18:07:31 <DiscordianUK> But congrats to the qa team and everyone
18:07:50 <DiscordianUK> I have no gettys on the ttys on the laptop
18:08:16 <nirik> dvanstone: weird. I'd be happy to try and help with the panel issue in #fedora sometime...
18:08:16 * Khaytsus hands DiscordianUK a Rush CD
18:08:21 <DiscordianUK> but that's just an isolated issue
18:08:27 <nirik> DiscordianUK: weird. they should auto spawn
18:08:39 <DiscordianUK> i'll reinstall the laptop
18:08:52 <DiscordianUK> they do here on the desktop
18:09:03 <nirik> huh. ok
18:09:05 <dvanstone> nirik it was adding a spacer and expanding it - solved
18:09:09 <nirik> shall we move on to tickets?
18:09:14 <nirik> dvanstone: ah, ok.
18:09:16 <nirik> #topic ticket #152 It should be possible to file tickets that aren't visible to the public
18:09:28 <DiscordianUK> hmmm
18:09:42 <Khaytsus> Next
18:09:54 <nirik> I added my comments in ticket. Personally, I think mentioning to the fedora-ops channel these kinds of things would be enough... I really think private sekret tickets are a bad idea.
18:10:01 <DiscordianUK> I find that one odd
18:10:13 <DiscordianUK> default to open
18:10:18 <DiscordianUK> -1 to that
18:10:25 <nirik> I don't know if that would meet the reporters use case...
18:10:33 <dvanstone> -1
18:10:55 <dvanstone> hard to see any open issue
18:11:10 <nirik> doesn't look like anyone is thrilled with the idea.
18:11:44 <EvilBob> I said my piece
18:11:55 <nirik> so, shall we close this and move on?
18:12:02 <EvilBob> +1
18:12:09 <DiscordianUK> yes let's
18:12:19 <dvanstone> next
18:12:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:13:08 <nirik> Any items for open floor? ideas, suggestions for improvement, etc?
18:13:13 <kushal> may be [OT]
18:13:23 <DiscordianUK> I have nothing
18:13:35 <Khaytsus> Super quiet in tehc hannel sometimes.  Is that good (quality) or bad (lower usage)
18:13:47 <Khaytsus> Although there are other factors..  ask seems to be getting a lot of traffic these days
18:14:01 <kushal> is there any document/steps written which properly explains dual boot with windows8 for laptops? getting too many quarries
18:14:17 <Khaytsus> kushal: EFI installs then?  I think so...  hmm
18:14:18 <DiscordianUK> I think the problems with freenode are putting people off too
18:14:19 <nirik> kushal: not that I know of, but it would sure be nice to have one. ;)
18:14:19 <dvanstone> Khaytsus� ask is a handy resource
18:14:32 <nirik> yeah, lots of net splits annoying people.
18:14:56 <Khaytsus> I see a Mac EFI guide but not offhand seeing an EFI guide for PCs.
18:15:38 <nirik> I think dual booting with efi is a bit more complex than without... but I currently have 0 efi machines here, so I wouldn't feel good to write such a think.
18:15:40 <nirik> thing
18:15:41 <kushal> Khaytsus, nirik , all the new laptops all these students are buying are not good for fedora it seems, they are moving to ubuntu for the same
18:16:08 <nirik> huh, fedora should install just fine I would think. Dunno about dual booting tho
18:16:09 <DiscordianUK> I have a efi/secureboot laptop
18:16:09 <kushal> and no one in our place knows anything about the same
18:16:23 <kushal> nirik, I mean dual booting
18:16:24 <DiscordianUK> Dual boot is tricky
18:16:25 <nirik> perhaps we could ping docs folks?
18:16:54 <kushal> nirik, that document/steps will be really helpful
18:17:15 <nirik> I agree. Just need to find someone who can/will write it. ;)
18:17:20 <dvanstone> or a way to put on a chrome device
18:17:21 <Khaytsus> The docs currently have win2k, server 2k, xp, and server 2003, vista, server 2008
18:17:24 <Khaytsus> Don't see win7 win 8
18:17:29 <DiscordianUK> Something like gummiboot would be , it exists but isn't in fedora
18:17:39 <Khaytsus> I don't have any EFI machines myself.
18:17:42 <DiscordianUK> be useful
18:17:55 <DiscordianUK> written by kay sievers
18:18:02 <nirik> gummitboot is in fedora. ;)
18:18:11 <DiscordianUK> Is it now?
18:18:22 <nirik> it doesn't have all the features grub2 does... I don't know that it can boot encrypted or handle lvm or lots of things.
18:18:28 <DiscordianUK> it wasn't last I looked
18:18:30 <nirik> and it's only efi, not bios at all.
18:18:38 <DiscordianUK> hmm I shall look
18:18:54 <nirik> something about mac/apple hardware would also be nice.
18:18:57 <DiscordianUK> I don't have a bios only box anyway
18:19:06 <DiscordianUK> and can't afford macs
18:19:20 <nirik> anyhow, please do try and find folks to write these things... :)
18:20:09 <nirik> anyhow, anything else, or shall we call it a meeting?
18:20:19 <DiscordianUK> I had to use efibootmgr after a failed f19 install to get anything to work
18:20:45 <mjg59> DiscordianUK: gummiboot does nothing to help here
18:21:03 <mjg59> An F19 install alongside a Windows 8 install on UEFI systems *should* work without any additional configuration
18:21:16 <DiscordianUK> That's interesting and you're one of our experts on UEFI
18:21:21 <nirik> cool. there you go. ;)
18:21:26 <mjg59> Since I'm not aware of any cases where it doesn't work, I don't have any suggestions for what to tell users who find it doesn't work
18:21:33 <mjg59> Other than to file bugs
18:21:37 <nirik> kushal: could you try and get folks to report bugs or tell you where it's not working?
18:22:25 <DiscordianUK> By fiddling with efibootmgr you can get f17/18/19 to multiboot
18:23:04 <mjg59> DiscordianUK: You should never need to do that
18:23:07 <kushal> nirik, ok, I will ask the students
18:23:14 <DiscordianUK> okay
18:23:20 <nirik> kushal / mjg59: thanks. ;)
18:23:37 * nirik will close out the meeting in a minute or two if nothing else.
18:24:22 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
18:24:26 <nirik> #endmeeting