17:00:02 #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2015-09-24) 17:00:02 Meeting started Thu Sep 24 17:00:02 2015 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:03 #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:03 #topic init process 17:00:36 * Southern_Gentlem 17:02:18 * striker . 17:02:55 * nirik will wait a few more for folks to arrive 17:04:07 Khaytsus, ping 17:04:07 Southern_Gentlem: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 17:04:16 ok, I guess lets go ahead and start in. ;) 17:04:20 #topic Week in review 17:04:31 Southern_Gentlem: pong 17:04:40 Gracias 17:04:44 I have one item that people are hitting for everyone to be aware of: 17:05:14 dnf-1.1.2-2 is broken. It was pushed to rawhide and f23/f22 updates-testing. So f23 people may well have it, as well as anyone with updates-testing enabled. 17:05:22 Still the same race condition with selinux/systemd? I've quoted your fix 3-4 times so far :) Oh, different issue. 17:06:00 fix there is to download the newer one (in testing today I think) and update to it. (It will work locally to update packages) 17:06:14 yeah, the selinux/systemd thing is another common one people are hitting. ;( 17:07:25 these things are transitory, but I wonder if we shouldn't keep some kind of thing to point people to about them... 17:07:32 not that they happen too often 17:07:48 nirik, so we should tell people to downgrade dnf for now 17:08:01 or upgrade to the newer fixed one from today 17:08:37 the broken one can't do anything with the network repos. So you cannot just do a 'dnf downgrade dnf' or something. You have to download the packages locally. ;( 17:09:46 * randomuser found `dnf upgrade \*` worked 17:10:33 huh, I wouldn't have thought it would... 17:10:50 I suspect we will see more and more folks asking about 'no f23 updates' 17:12:10 Apologies 17:12:12 ok, anything else for week in review? 17:12:17 common issues or concerns? 17:12:20 welcome Discordian 17:12:25 thanks 17:12:45 fpaste is broken 17:13:03 --sysinfo does not cut 'last 20 installed' -- it just shows all installed pkgs 17:13:06 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1262937 17:13:29 causes the paste to truncate, cutting off the rest of the info 17:13:46 fun. 17:13:51 I already submitted a patch, testing script is linked in the bz 17:14:01 I think FranciscoD was making paste updates this morning, not sure if he was going to add that 17:14:20 k 17:14:38 also, per a discussion in ops, we created a wiki page to list #fedora bans 17:14:40 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/wiki/fedora-banned 17:15:01 any of us should be able to update this whenever 17:15:07 striker: was going to talk about that in the next topic, but ok. ;) 17:15:11 ah 17:15:21 #topic Beta cycle cleanups 17:15:22 :) 17:15:42 we also may be able to make that list smaller with less overlaps if someone wants to try and do so. 17:15:52 I think there's a number that overlap 17:17:06 anything else on this? 17:17:33 not from me 17:18:10 its hard wehn the keep evadeing the bans 17:18:13 I guess folks should try and be extra alert the next week or so in case anyone who was cleared from the banlist comes back for more. 17:18:15 when they 17:18:32 some of them are also the bot banning people for forbidden words. 17:18:39 I think it does exact bans 17:18:52 Sorry, I stepped out for a minute 17:20:13 #topic Open Floor 17:20:19 anyone have anything for open floor? 17:20:37 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/183 17:20:45 I have one item since Khaytsus is here... ;) How is the admonishing people for bad language working out? 17:20:54 oh yeah, I keep forgetting that ticket. ;) 17:21:01 :) 17:21:10 on language, people seem to be cursing less 17:21:34 I'm fine with adding the change in the ticket... to which section was that? 17:22:07 'Be Polite' 17:22:24 ah, found it. 17:23:36 sure. +1... not that anyone reads the topic or the faq. ;) 17:24:57 nirik: Sorry, I looke daway again.. I think it's working well to remind people 17:25:12 I think leaving it as is (warning them, poking -ops) is working out okay. Any opinions? 17:25:22 seems fine to me. 17:27:54 well we know when it fires repeatedly we have an issue and can go look 17:28:06 yeah. 17:28:07 heh 17:28:26 So I'll leave it as no "action", just messaging 17:28:41 I think thats best. Most people say sorry and learn from it. 17:28:46 I think it reminds people and they almost always stop. Don't see _too many repeat offenders. 17:28:55 the few who don't can be handled manually. 17:29:05 yes i think no action let an op handle if its getting ridulous 17:29:54 cool. So anything else for open floor? 17:30:09 striker: you want to just make that faq change and close the ticket? or anyone have objections? 17:30:30 sure, I can do that 17:31:58 should we go ahead and clear the #fedora-social bans ? 17:33:18 at least the we know are not really problem children 17:33:46 Sure, I am ok with it... but there are yeah, some people who should stay there too. 17:33:48 at least the ones we know are not the problem children 17:33:51 That include obbourne? 17:33:55 yep 17:33:59 yes, he should be banned there too. 17:34:19 DrMAnhattan 17:34:44 * nirik nods. we can discuss out of band? make a wiki page for it as well? 17:37:13 * nirik listens to the crickets. 17:37:18 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/wiki/fedora-social-banned 17:37:20 I was planning on clearing -social some time this weekend in the middle of the night 17:37:51 sounds good. 17:37:56 If there is someone on the list that should stay they will also be on the list for the main channel 17:38:14 no need for two wiki pages to maintain. 17:38:31 easy enough to delete a page :) 17:38:36 * nirik shrugs. Fine either way with me. 17:38:59 I suspect there's a pretty large overlap in the lists. 17:39:11 I guess Southern_Gentlem decided to nuke the ban list in -social... 17:39:24 oh, seems so. 17:39:56 I'll toss my note... 17:40:47 look and see if there was someone i missed 17:41:34 and everyone keep an eye out for repeat offenders who come back and need to be re-added. ;) 17:41:49 anything else for the meeting? or shall we call it a day? 17:42:30 if nothing will close in a minute 17:42:32 Sorry for interrupt, but wanted to introduce myself. 17:42:43 * striker waves 17:43:36 CogsKDA: ok? 17:44:09 Just join and watching to see if there is anything I can contrubute... Thanks! 17:44:39 CogsKDA, so what channels do you stay in 17:44:47 CogsKDA: great. Always can use help in #fedora. ;) 17:44:52 Have a great day and good luck. If you don't have any luck, at least have fun. 17:45:01 I am a developer. Messing arround with kernel. 17:45:14 Not sure where I would fit in in fedora... 17:45:40 CogsKDA: take a look at http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/ 17:45:46 it should point you in the right direction. :) 17:45:51 Thanks. 17:46:05 ok, thanks for coming everyone! 17:46:08 #endmeeting