16:59:21 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2015-11-05)
16:59:21 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov  5 16:59:21 2015 UTC.  The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:59:21 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
16:59:21 <nirik> #topic init process
16:59:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
16:59:27 <nirik> oops. a bit early.
17:00:55 <che> good evening
17:01:10 <Southern_Gentlem> .hello jbwillia
17:01:10 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: jbwillia 'Ben Williams' <vaioof@yahoo.com>
17:01:11 <nirik> morning everyone
17:01:12 <tytan> che greetings
17:01:41 <nirik> will wait another minute or two for folks to show up
17:01:48 * N3LRX 
17:02:02 <che> nirik, only halfway here. stuck in conf calls :P
17:02:54 <nirik> sorry to hear it. :)
17:03:23 <tytan> Southern_Gentlem I send you something in #fedora
17:03:43 <che> nirik, how was f23 launch in #fedora?
17:04:00 <nirik> che: went pretty well I think.
17:04:03 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:04:17 <nirik> so, anyone have anything for the previous weeks? common issues people are hitting, etc?
17:04:33 <nirik> I think f23 release day was pretty smooth.
17:04:35 <Southern_Gentlem> che about the same as always people lost and complaining aobut rpmfusion
17:04:50 <Southern_Gentlem> it helped that the torrents where opened early
17:04:59 <che> Southern_Gentlem, ah okay. gstreamer-plugins-ugly is not rebuilt :P h264 support.
17:05:11 <nirik> yeah, lots of confusion around rpmfusion
17:05:15 <nirik> (hey, it rhymes)
17:05:22 <che> and i figured that setting up /boot on software raid will lead to broken grub.cfg :P
17:05:30 <tytan> I think te distribution of Fedora 23 over torrent is not really used by the users. I noticed the new release of openSUSE to have a lot more traffic on my torrent server than F23 images
17:05:34 <Southern_Gentlem> and confusion over dnf system-update as well
17:05:55 <nirik> torrents have declined in popularity over the years.
17:06:07 <nirik> most people anymore just do direct downloads
17:06:41 <striker> .
17:06:43 <striker> here
17:06:53 <tytan> I think torrents are superior to central download servers in this case ^^ I'm sorry to hear that.
17:06:54 <nirik> but it's nice to have several ways for people to get things depending on their situation
17:07:07 <nirik> well, it depends.
17:07:22 <nirik> If you have a fast network connection, direct download is likely to be faster/easier
17:07:33 <Southern_Gentlem> lots of complaints about the torrent link on the botton of the bpage
17:07:53 <Southern_Gentlem> webpage
17:08:48 <nirik> ok, anything else for review, or shall we move on to tickets?
17:09:04 <Southern_Gentlem> also i noticed the magazine article doesnt have the cleanup afterwards
17:09:26 <Southern_Gentlem> so is cleanup still advised or not
17:09:44 <nirik> no idea. Ideally if there's nothing to clean up the clean up steps won't do anything. ;)
17:10:10 <nirik> dnf-system-upgrade should do things more sanely than fedup did
17:10:12 <tytan> nirik I usually run into useless dependencies after an upgrade though
17:10:13 <mibellil_> "in F22 32bit" Gnome note 3.16.2 it's little bit slow to start!! why?
17:10:42 <nirik> tytan: not sure what you mean there... useless how?
17:11:05 <nirik> mibellil_: no idea off hand. You likely want the main support channel #fedora for that...
17:11:19 <Southern_Gentlem> this meeting is not to solve troubleshoot issues (that happens in #fedora) this is a channel ops/helpers so we all are on the same page
17:11:49 <nirik> right
17:11:56 <mibellil_> Southern_Gentlem, fedora team
17:12:01 <tytan> nirik sorry. I'm not a native english speaker. I'm talking about unused packages because they are replaced by something else. But the previously used one still persist on the HDD after an upgrade. So I'd "need" to clean up my installation.
17:12:12 <Southern_Gentlem> ok  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade still has the cleanup info
17:12:36 <Southern_Gentlem> and mainly people need to disable all 3rd party repos as well
17:12:43 <Southern_Gentlem> ok ready for tickets
17:12:48 <tytan> yes
17:12:50 <nirik> tytan: well, if they were really replaced by something it would have obsoleted them and removed them... so not sure when you would see something like that
17:13:05 <nirik> would have to look at the specific examples to say more
17:13:54 <nirik> ok, on to tickets then
17:14:09 <nirik> #topic Ticket #185	I don't think this mute or reaction was warranted, nor the threats
17:14:23 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/185
17:14:35 <nirik> this was filed a while back. i didn't notice it as it didn't have a meeting keyword
17:16:10 <nirik> so, this seems to me like fenrus02 was seeing them as someone else, but they maintain they were not.
17:16:27 <Southern_Gentlem> i would love to see dates and times on this to have some where to look back in the logs
17:16:28 <nirik> even if they were, I don't see what good it does to maintain that. Just move on.
17:17:14 <nirik> Oct 20 19:14:56
17:17:20 <Southern_Gentlem> to me that is an uncomplete log missing a lot of info
17:17:32 <tytan> Southern_Gentlem Like an edited log?
17:17:45 <Southern_Gentlem> thatis definitely an edited log
17:18:03 <tytan> If so I'd suggest to keep them banned
17:18:24 <Southern_Gentlem> i dont think they are banned
17:19:56 <nirik> they aren't. it was a quiet. for 15m
17:19:57 <Southern_Gentlem> nirik,  lets skip this one and go to the next while i am digging in the logs
17:20:04 <nirik> there's a bunch of context before this log
17:20:13 <nirik> yeah... lets come back to it later or out of meeting
17:20:29 <Southern_Gentlem> ok
17:20:34 <nirik> #topic Ticket #186	#fedora-social ban inquery
17:20:40 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/186
17:20:52 <nirik> this was a user that was banned due to bouncing connection.
17:21:01 <nirik> I don't see any reason why we should not remove the ban now
17:21:23 <che> +1 for remove
17:21:53 <bitlord> that is why I disable automatic reconnect on my client, if network is broken, I know about it and wait until it is fixed ;-)
17:22:38 <nirik> indeed.
17:23:05 * nirik personally doesn't care unless it's pretty massive... ie, every minute or less for a long time
17:24:00 <Southern_Gentlem> +1
17:24:12 <tytan> +1
17:24:23 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:24:37 <nirik> ok, anything for open floor? ideas, feedback?
17:25:10 <tytan> Can you explain to me what you mean by open floor?
17:25:29 <nirik> tytan: it's the part of the meeting for things that were not covered in other parts.
17:25:38 <nirik> ie, other items that were not on the agenda
17:25:40 <tytan> nirik Thank you
17:26:32 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute or two.
17:26:44 <tytan> I don't have anything to mention
17:28:54 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
17:28:58 <nirik> #endmeeting