17:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2017-01-12) 17:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 12 17:00:04 2017 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc_support_sig_(2017-01-12)' 17:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:04 <nirik> #topic init process 17:01:05 <nirik> any folks around for a irc support sig meeting this week? 17:01:11 * N3LRX 17:02:12 * che is 17:02:39 <che> will be around for max 15 mins... then i have to jump to another meeting. 17:03:08 <nirik> fair enough. :) aren't meetings fun? 17:03:28 * che resists to comment 17:04:26 * nirik will wait another minute or two for folks to wander in 17:06:07 <nirik> ok, I guess lets start. 17:06:15 <nirik> #topic Recent issues review 17:06:25 * Southern_Gentlem 17:06:35 <nirik> any recent issues to highlight? common problems or the like? 17:06:46 <nirik> nothing stands out to me... f25 has been pretty smooth. 17:06:54 <Southern_Gentlem> nothing different than usual 17:07:23 <Southern_Gentlem> nvidia wayland is meh, and rpmfusion only supporting newer cards 17:07:50 <Southern_Gentlem> and of course fedy infections 17:08:05 <nirik> yeah, all thats been going on a while. ;) 17:08:15 <Southern_Gentlem> *** F25-20170111 updated lives available: http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2 Thanks to the community of maintainers and seeders*** 17:08:21 <nirik> ok, moving along then... 17:08:23 <nirik> #topic Fedorahosted trac migration 17:08:48 <nirik> so, what do we want to do with our trac instance? we could migrate it to pagure.io or just let it die or something else. 17:09:32 <Southern_Gentlem> well pagure really isnt that good but that seems to be what most seem to going to 17:09:35 <nirik> I'm happy to migrate it, but It seems like it gets used a lot to just dig up dirt... 17:10:04 <nirik> whats not good about it? I'm pretty happy with it... and we know the developers/they are pretty responsive to fixing things. 17:10:33 <Southern_Gentlem> but the trac has those issues now as well 17:11:09 <nirik> trac is dead upstream. (mostly). Fedora infrastructure is NOT going to run trac and pagure both... so trac is going away. 17:11:10 <Southern_Gentlem> learning curve is a little steeper than trac but such is life 17:11:27 <nirik> it's more 'github' like... 17:11:32 <Southern_Gentlem> yeah 17:11:38 <nirik> which has advantages and disadvantages. 17:12:05 <Southern_Gentlem> anything we choice we have that 17:12:27 <nirik> we could also migrate the trac tickets to private pagure tickets... 17:13:11 <Southern_Gentlem> then the community can say we are hiding stuff 17:13:20 <nirik> or make a new pagure and just not migrate anything (but keep an archive in case we need/want to later) 17:13:28 <nirik> yeah, I don't really like private so much 17:14:22 <Southern_Gentlem> if we were doing payments or something like that then private otherwise its open 17:14:46 <N3LRX> I've never used pagure so I can't comment on it's usefulness. 17:15:14 <nirik> If folks want to just migrate it, I can... 17:15:31 <Southern_Gentlem> go ahead 17:15:42 <N3LRX> Is it running on RH/Fedora infra or is it relying on a thrid party? 17:15:44 * cverna is late 17:15:46 <nirik> it just makes me a bit sad that people use the history to cherry pick past stuff about someone to try and make their new issue more important 17:16:03 <nirik> cverna: if you mean for the infrastructure meeting, you are early. :) 17:16:18 <nirik> N3LRX: fedora infra is hosting pagure.io yes. 17:16:22 <Southern_Gentlem> and isnt that the way it always has been (cp ) 17:16:26 <N3LRX> ok 17:16:29 <cverna> nirik: haha I am confused with the time zone :P 17:16:34 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem: sad, but true... 17:16:45 <Southern_Gentlem> the truth is the truth 17:16:52 <nirik> ok, then sounds like we should just migrate it. I'll do that this week... 17:16:53 * cverna is early then 17:17:08 <nirik> #info will migrate trac->pagure 17:17:11 <nirik> #topic Plans for the coming year 17:17:12 <Southern_Gentlem> cverna, better early than late 17:17:26 <Southern_Gentlem> learn pagure 17:17:41 <nirik> so, should we keep going along as we are? do we have any plans for the coming year? 17:17:47 <cverna> Southern_Gentlem: yeah I will follow this meeting then :) 17:17:57 <Southern_Gentlem> try to find more ops 17:18:07 <nirik> There was a bunch of reorg talk on the council list, but it didn't seem to end in anything too concrete... 17:18:37 <nirik> we haven't added anyone in years... mostly I think because the process is pretty heavy weight 17:18:50 <Southern_Gentlem> well we need it to be 17:19:19 <Southern_Gentlem> because of all the past reviews 17:20:38 <nirik> sure... I think we all focus too much on ops as well. 17:21:07 <nirik> helpers don't need to be ops... and making help easier (however) doesn't need ops 17:21:17 <Southern_Gentlem> correct 17:21:37 <Southern_Gentlem> i have someone who is a great helper, but i dont think they would be a good op 17:21:47 * nirik nods. 17:22:20 <nirik> So, if possible I'd love for us to try and get some new blood in (not just looking for ops), but for people with ideas on how to improve support, etc. 17:22:35 <nirik> we are all old jaded people, new folks can help us. :) 17:23:57 <nirik> anyhow, just wanted to see if we could rev things back up... 17:24:07 <nirik> nothing we need to do today, but just wanted to toss it out there 17:24:48 <Southern_Gentlem> randomuser linuxmodder are both good helpers 17:25:06 <nirik> indeed. 👍 17:25:47 <nirik> perhaps we should try and invite all those folks to the next meeting and we can brainstorm any ideas to help out. 17:26:41 <N3LRX> The last op we invited in tried to tear us apart from within. Thankfully he buggered off, don't care where, just glad he's gone. 17:27:41 <nirik> ok, thats basically all I had. 17:27:44 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:27:48 <nirik> any items for open floor? 17:29:21 <nirik> if nothing will close out in a minute... 17:31:06 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 17:31:10 <nirik> #endmeeting