17:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2017-01-12)
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17:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:04 <nirik> #topic init process
17:01:05 <nirik> any folks around for a irc support sig meeting this week?
17:01:11 * N3LRX 
17:02:12 * che is
17:02:39 <che> will be around for max 15 mins... then i have to jump to another meeting.
17:03:08 <nirik> fair enough. :) aren't meetings fun?
17:03:28 * che resists to comment
17:04:26 * nirik will wait another minute or two for folks to wander in
17:06:07 <nirik> ok, I guess lets start.
17:06:15 <nirik> #topic Recent issues review
17:06:25 * Southern_Gentlem 
17:06:35 <nirik> any recent issues to highlight? common problems or the like?
17:06:46 <nirik> nothing stands out to me... f25 has been pretty smooth.
17:06:54 <Southern_Gentlem> nothing different than usual
17:07:23 <Southern_Gentlem> nvidia wayland is meh, and rpmfusion only supporting newer cards
17:07:50 <Southern_Gentlem> and of course fedy infections
17:08:05 <nirik> yeah, all thats been going on a while. ;)
17:08:15 <Southern_Gentlem> *** F25-20170111 updated lives available: http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins2  Thanks to the community of maintainers and seeders***
17:08:21 <nirik> ok, moving along then...
17:08:23 <nirik> #topic Fedorahosted trac migration
17:08:48 <nirik> so, what do we want to do with our trac instance? we could migrate it to pagure.io or just let it die or something else.
17:09:32 <Southern_Gentlem> well pagure really isnt that good but that seems to be what most seem to going to
17:09:35 <nirik> I'm happy to migrate it, but It seems like it gets used a lot to just dig up dirt...
17:10:04 <nirik> whats not good about it? I'm pretty happy with it... and we know the developers/they are pretty responsive to fixing things.
17:10:33 <Southern_Gentlem> but the trac has those issues now as well
17:11:09 <nirik> trac is dead upstream. (mostly). Fedora infrastructure is NOT going to run trac and pagure both... so trac is going away.
17:11:10 <Southern_Gentlem> learning curve is a little steeper than trac but such is life
17:11:27 <nirik> it's more 'github' like...
17:11:32 <Southern_Gentlem> yeah
17:11:38 <nirik> which has advantages and disadvantages.
17:12:05 <Southern_Gentlem> anything we choice we have that
17:12:27 <nirik> we could also migrate the trac tickets to private pagure tickets...
17:13:11 <Southern_Gentlem> then the community can say we are hiding stuff
17:13:20 <nirik> or make a new pagure and just not migrate anything (but keep an archive in case we need/want to later)
17:13:28 <nirik> yeah, I don't really like private so much
17:14:22 <Southern_Gentlem> if we were doing payments or something like that then private otherwise its open
17:14:46 <N3LRX> I've never used pagure so I can't comment on it's usefulness.
17:15:14 <nirik> If folks want to just migrate it, I can...
17:15:31 <Southern_Gentlem> go ahead
17:15:42 <N3LRX> Is it running on RH/Fedora infra or is it relying on a thrid party?
17:15:44 * cverna is late
17:15:46 <nirik> it just makes me a bit sad that people use the history to cherry pick past stuff about someone to try and make their new issue more important
17:16:03 <nirik> cverna: if you mean for the infrastructure meeting, you are early. :)
17:16:18 <nirik> N3LRX: fedora infra is hosting pagure.io yes.
17:16:22 <Southern_Gentlem> and isnt that the way it always has been (cp )
17:16:26 <N3LRX> ok
17:16:29 <cverna> nirik: haha I am confused with the time zone :P
17:16:34 <nirik> Southern_Gentlem: sad, but true...
17:16:45 <Southern_Gentlem> the truth is the truth
17:16:52 <nirik> ok, then sounds like we should just migrate it. I'll do that this week...
17:16:53 * cverna is early then
17:17:08 <nirik> #info will migrate trac->pagure
17:17:11 <nirik> #topic Plans for the coming year
17:17:12 <Southern_Gentlem> cverna, better early than late
17:17:26 <Southern_Gentlem> learn pagure
17:17:41 <nirik> so, should we keep going along as we are? do we have any plans for the coming year?
17:17:47 <cverna> Southern_Gentlem: yeah I will follow this meeting then :)
17:17:57 <Southern_Gentlem> try to find more ops
17:18:07 <nirik> There was a bunch of reorg talk on the council list, but it didn't seem to end in anything too concrete...
17:18:37 <nirik> we haven't added anyone in years... mostly I think because the process is pretty heavy weight
17:18:50 <Southern_Gentlem> well we need it to be
17:19:19 <Southern_Gentlem> because of all the past reviews
17:20:38 <nirik> sure... I think we all focus too much on ops as well.
17:21:07 <nirik> helpers don't need to be ops... and making help easier (however) doesn't need ops
17:21:17 <Southern_Gentlem> correct
17:21:37 <Southern_Gentlem> i have someone who is a great helper, but i dont think they would be a good op
17:21:47 * nirik nods.
17:22:20 <nirik> So, if possible I'd love for us to try and get some new blood in (not just looking for ops), but for people with ideas on how to improve support, etc.
17:22:35 <nirik> we are all old jaded people, new folks can help us. :)
17:23:57 <nirik> anyhow, just wanted to see if we could rev things back up...
17:24:07 <nirik> nothing we need to do today, but just wanted to toss it out there
17:24:48 <Southern_Gentlem> randomuser linuxmodder are both good helpers
17:25:06 <nirik> indeed. 👍
17:25:47 <nirik> perhaps we should try and invite all those folks to the next meeting and we can brainstorm any ideas to help out.
17:26:41 <N3LRX> The last op we invited in tried to tear us apart from within. Thankfully he buggered off, don't care where, just glad he's gone.
17:27:41 <nirik> ok, thats basically all I had.
17:27:44 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:27:48 <nirik> any items for open floor?
17:29:21 <nirik> if nothing will close out in a minute...
17:31:06 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
17:31:10 <nirik> #endmeeting