12:00:33 <hislopg> #startmeeting IRC Meeting 2
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12:00:35 <shobha> Hi!
12:00:35 <torta> hello everyone
12:00:59 <salsabbagh> Hi
12:01:00 <hislopg> #chair lorip
12:01:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: hislopg lorip
12:01:20 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 contains the agenda for this meeting
12:01:34 <hislopg> #topic roll call
12:01:48 <hislopg> Let's start by getting a list of who's here
12:02:29 <lorip> Lori Postner, Nassau Community College, New York - I'm a member of the POSSE team
12:02:38 <lorip> oops, I forgot the #info
12:02:55 <lorip> #info Lori Postner, Nassau Community College, New York - I'm a member of the POSSE team
12:02:56 <hislopg> :-)
12:02:58 * SaromanUCM Hello, I'm here
12:03:10 <torta> #info Gianluca Torta, Università di Torino
12:03:25 <hislopg> #info Greg Hislop, Drexel University
12:03:40 <shobha> #info Shobha Tyagi, MRIU, Faridabad, India- I'm a member of the POSSE team
12:03:44 <salsabbagh> #info Samah Al Sabbagh, Reach Out to Asia, Education Above All, Qatar
12:03:50 <hislopg> If we all use the #info, then we get a nice summary list in the meetbot summary of the meeting
12:03:52 <mselezm> #info Marcos Sanchez-Elez from Universidad Complutense
12:03:53 <Sabine> #info Sabine Wojcieszak, Kiel, Germany; University of Applied Science
12:04:19 * SaromanUCM #info Sara Roman from Universidad Complutense de Madrid
12:04:49 <prmr3757> #info Priti narwal, Manav Rachna International University, India
12:05:23 <hislopg> Is there anyone else who hasn't done the #info?
12:05:51 <hislopg> OK... let's move on to the next topic then
12:05:59 <hislopg> #topic Updates and Questions on POSSE stage 1 activities
12:06:16 <hislopg> How is everyone doing with stage 1?
12:06:45 <salsabbagh> I think I am finished and currently working on Stage 2
12:06:59 <shobha> I have completed stage 1
12:07:20 <lorip> all of stage 1 or stage 1 A & B?
12:07:36 <lorip> Stage 2 is the face-to-face meeting in Bologna
12:07:47 <gustavopinto> hi all
12:07:49 <Sabine> I just have to put my notes into the wiki
12:08:00 <hislopg> salsabbagh:  Great!  Stage 2 we will do in Bologna (but no reason why you can't look ahead!
12:08:09 <mselezm> I am finisihing  part B of stage 1
12:08:30 <Sabine> I will start with part B
12:08:40 * SaromanUCM I have one thing to finish from stage A and most of stage B completed
12:08:44 <lorip> any questions or problems?
12:09:01 <torta> I have done Project Evaluation of part B
12:09:52 <hislopg> It sounds like people are making good progress.  That's great!
12:09:56 <shobha> I have finished 1 B FOSS Field Trip and Evaluate a project
12:10:28 <hislopg> any other questions on stage 1?
12:10:43 <Samah> sorry I meant to say part B
12:10:53 <torta> hislpg I have one question...
12:11:01 <hislopg> sure!
12:11:39 <torta> actually it was a question for us about Open Hub
12:11:40 <lorip> Samah: no worries
12:11:44 <Guest32929> I have a question on articles on FOSS and HFOSS
12:12:06 <torta> why OpenMRS is 2 months behind in OpenHub?
12:12:07 <lorip> stephen and pri2507 - when you have a moment, please introduce yourself
12:12:49 <lorip> torta - great question! openhub is not always up to date which is why we chose this example
12:12:50 <hislopg> OpenHub data is generally useful, but sometimes out of date or incomplete
12:12:58 <Guest32929> I am Dr. Stephen Fashoto From University of Swaziland
12:13:24 <Samah> I am also wondering about the wiki ... the only information I have on it is the intro ... are we expected to put answers for PartA and B on there too?
12:13:24 <Pri2507> #info Priti Narwal, MRIU, Faridabad, Working as Assistant Professor
12:13:31 <lorip> hi Stephen
12:13:35 <lorip> Hi Priti
12:13:38 <torta> lorip hislopg ok, thanks... because in the case of OpenMRS the links to source repo seem ok
12:14:23 <lorip> kchahal - when you have a moment, please introduce yourself
12:14:44 <Pri2507> Hi Lorip !
12:14:51 <Kchahal> #info kuljit Kaur Chahal, guru Nanak Dev University
12:14:53 <hislopg> Samah: I'm not sure I understand your question, but you can use the foss2serve.org wiki to record your results for any of the exercises - the approach is that you put answers in your User page
12:15:07 <lorip> sorry priti - didn't realize you had introduced yourself under a different nick earlier
12:15:30 <Guest32929> Still on Part B I noticed that most articles published on FOSS and HFOSS are not accessible freely and we are in the era of Open Access Journals
12:15:45 <Pri2507> I got disconnected and joined again with different nickname
12:16:24 <hislopg> Guest32929: Unfortunately open access journals are only part of the landscape and some of the best outlets are still closed
12:16:30 <lorip> samah: were you talking about logging your activity in the google spreadsheet?
12:16:30 <Samah> Hislopg: Thanks
12:16:37 <Guest32929> I also joined the meeting yesterday and got disconnected due to network problem
12:17:20 <Samah> No I am already doing that ... I was refering to some of the questions in part A and B asking us to write answers onto our wiki
12:17:24 <hislopg> Guest32929: we saw that you joined yesterday too, and guessed that there was a connection problem.
12:17:44 <hislopg> Samah:  that would be your User page on foss2serve.org
12:18:42 <Samah> Ok then I need to longin and just type those answers in?
12:18:46 <Guest32929> but for some of us from the developing countries not having access to some of the rich articles from Greg, Heidi and Darci we slow us download because those materials we really help our students
12:19:00 <hislopg> Samah:  yes, you need to log in to edit the wiki
12:19:30 <lorip> Guest32929: which articles are you having trouble getting access to?
12:19:48 <Kchahal> Can u provide links to those materials?
12:20:42 <gustavopinto> Guest32929: if you want, you can send me an link and I can provide you the paper
12:20:58 <Guest32929> FOSS artifacts for evaluating students on team projects
12:22:18 <Guest32929> and team project experiences in HFOSS
12:22:19 * lorip looking through the activities to see where we have that referenced
12:22:19 <hislopg> Samah: did I answer your questions?
12:22:56 <gustavopinto> I got it. I can send it to you afterwards. Just lest me know your email.
12:23:25 <lorip> thanks gustavopinto!
12:23:45 <hislopg> OK... let's move to the next topic
12:23:48 <Guest32929> my email are sgfashoto@uniswa.sz or gbengafash@yahoo.com
12:23:58 <hislopg> #topic Courses in which you plan to use HFOSS
12:24:12 <Samah> hislopg: Yes thank you
12:24:14 <Guest32929> Thanks Gustavopinto
12:24:21 <hislopg> We hope that by now you've been thinking about where you might use HFOSS
12:24:42 <hislopg> Can some of you share what courses seem like good targets for you?
12:25:13 * SaromanUCM Ethics and Law for CS and CE
12:25:17 <Sabine> I will run an open source course with interested master students next semester. And one part of it is acitive contribution to a project.
12:25:22 * SaromanUCM shared with Marcos
12:25:29 <gustavopinto> I teach software engineering, and it is my main target
12:25:59 * SaromanUCM and Final Grade Projects, we also offered one for next year
12:26:09 <gustavopinto> students have a good set of technical skill, so maybe invite them to understand the code and do some contributions
12:26:16 <Sabine> In my course we will learn a lot about teamwork, agile, community and motivation
12:26:26 <lorip> saromanUCM: that sounds like an interesting course - are you planning on using it to talk about copyright and licensing?
12:26:58 <mselezm> In  Ethics, Legislation and Profession Subject we have a task, that is with create, join or help with a free project directly related with social utility
12:27:07 <Guest32929> I plan to use it in database management system with my final year students and also introduce it to my research students in the Department
12:27:08 <mselezm> It can be grade till 30%
12:27:24 * SaromanUCM lorip, We already talk about hta in that course
12:27:35 <torta> I will probably not be able to use HFOSS in a course immediately... I will have to convince my Faculty :-( For now I am thinking to: PhD students course, BSc and MSc theses, seminars in SWEng and Programming classes
12:27:57 <Pri2507> I teach Cloud Computing and Cloud Deployment model.Basically use Openstack platform for deployment.So I am still looking to incorporate in course
12:28:01 <hislopg> These are interesting course choices!
12:28:17 <mselezm> Also SararomanUCM and I have planned to offer a HFOSS project as final grade project
12:28:28 <lorip> very cool!
12:28:37 <shobha> I am still working on this topic and will share in the next meeting related to what course i would be interested in.
12:29:02 * SaromanUCM yes. Ialready did this this year and the results are great, the student is so so happy that he chose that
12:29:10 <Samah> I am still unsure where to use HFOSS since my organization is not an academic one... but I am still thinking of how these types of projects could be useful for our youth
12:29:44 <Guest32929> I intend to also introduce it in our departmental research group
12:29:50 <mselezm> I also would like to use in Operating System subject, but I dont sure
12:29:57 * SaromanUCM he learnt a lot, not just techincal skills, interacted with the community and made a lot of contacts
12:30:13 <Guest32929> Am new to OpenMRS so are so many people in my Department
12:30:26 <shobha> How can we use HFOSS in research work?
12:30:41 <Samah> Guest32929: Same here
12:30:52 <lorip> shobha: can you explain a bit more about what type of research?
12:31:04 <torta> hislopg: lorip: by the way if you of the POSSE team have any "success stories" or suggestions to share on how to get HFOSS adopted in a Faculty, it would be great
12:31:34 <gustavopinto> torta: I agree!
12:31:38 <hislopg> torta: we can discuss that at the workshop
12:31:50 <torta> hislopg: good!
12:31:59 <Samah> I would like to adapt it in a youth development program as part of our youth empowerment
12:32:39 <mselezm> Samah I think HFOSS fit perfect for those
12:32:42 <lorip> samah: that sound very interesting - what age children?
12:33:07 <Guest32929> I will also want to see how to adapt it to tackle the issues on co-infection of HIV and TB in Swaziland
12:33:19 <Samah> unisersity students and some student leaders from high school
12:33:32 <shobha> Any kind of research in computing. Like I am doing research on the topic "web application vulnerability prediction". How can HFOSS help in this?
12:34:16 <lorip> shobha: are you trying to use an HFOSS project to help with your research or research about HFOSS?
12:34:26 <Sabine> The other professeors agreed on my proposal to do some opne source introducting course for the students. one of them is mentor for google summer camp
12:35:12 <lorip> sabine: that is fantastic - which project is the google summer of code mentor from?
12:35:28 * SaromanUCM Sabine that is nice !!!
12:35:50 <Sabine> lorip I will ask him
12:36:19 <shobha> lorip: yes, trying to use HFOSS project to help with research :P
12:36:41 <hislopg> This all sounds really interesting!  We'll spend time in stage 2 talking about details of HFOSS and various courses...
12:36:47 <Guest32929> Thanks Gustavopinto, i just received your mail now but am yet to open it, i don't want to miss the deliberations in the meeting
12:37:15 <hislopg> let's move on to the next topic
12:37:19 <hislopg> #topic Questions about POSSE Stage 2 Activities
12:37:33 <lorip> shobha: my interest is in having students participate in HFOSS projects and how the communities operate
12:37:51 <hislopg> you may not have had time to look at stage 2, but are there any questions about stage 2?
12:37:54 <lorip> I'm not sure how that may or may not relate to what you are hoping to do
12:38:01 <shobha> It would be great if we can do research in HFOSS
12:38:23 <gustavopinto> Guest32929
12:38:23 <gustavopinto> Guest32929
12:38:23 <gustavopinto> Guest32929 sure
12:38:32 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities
12:39:01 <mselezm> I think for my students the key aspect is "Identify key sources of information for learning about HFOSS"
12:39:02 <Pri2507> We have students working on Cloud Security,Deployment.Can you sugeest how we can incorporate HFOSS through it.It woud be of great interest to them.
12:39:13 <hislopg> that's the link for stage 2 - you'll notice that the schedule isn't there yet because we are still adjusting the times to match the ITiCSE time schedule
12:39:41 <gustavopinto> ok
12:39:47 <torta> hislopg: will it be held at the same location as ITiCSE?
12:39:58 <hislopg> torta:  yes.
12:40:30 <torta> hislopg: thank you so I chose a good hotel :-)
12:40:30 <hislopg> ITiCSE has working groups on Saturday and Sunday.  We're going to run POSSE in the same location and on the same schedule as the working groups
12:42:02 * lorip wondering - does anyone else have questions about the face-to-face workshop?
12:42:04 <shobha> hislopg: that's great :)
12:42:04 <torta> will we work in groups?
12:42:21 <hislopg> torta: yes, for some of the topics
12:43:02 <mselezm> We need to carry a laptop, dont we?
12:43:36 <hislopg> mselezm: having a laptop is strongly recommended
12:43:38 <lorip> yes, some of the activities will be done in groups using google docs
12:43:52 <mselezm> great!!
12:44:14 <lorip> and it would definitely be helpful for the git activities
12:44:24 <gustavopinto> do we plan to write down a summary of the meeting as a technical report or something similar?
12:44:26 <Guest32929> is there is going to be some demonstration on the functionality of the existing software like the OpenMRS
12:44:31 <Samah> good to know
12:44:44 <shobha> yes
12:45:13 <hislopg> Guest32929: generally we do not do that because of time constraints and because people are interested in different HFOSS projects
12:45:26 <Guest32929> ok thanks
12:45:53 <hislopg> ok... next topic
12:45:54 <lorip> gustavopinto: no plans to write a summary report
12:46:07 <hislopg> #topic Signing up for Stage 2 project and course groups
12:46:25 <gustavopinto> ok lorip
12:46:42 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
12:46:47 <hislopg> Remember that we ask everyone to sign up for one course and one HFOSS project that interests you.  We use this information to organize small groups at the workshop
12:47:55 <lorip> we know that course titles will vary across institutions - we put in brief descriptions to help bridge that gap
12:48:15 <gustavopinto> can I choose more than one course?
12:48:47 <hislopg> gustavopinto: for this step we ask that you pick one
12:49:07 <Samah> are those code writing courses?
12:49:15 <gustavopinto> ok
12:49:28 <hislopg> Samah: no code writing required in POSSE workshops
12:49:31 <lorip> samah: not all of them - the openness course can be for non-majors
12:49:37 * SaromanUCM when and how do we sign up for these?
12:49:48 <mselezm> I was mainly interested in Sahana or sugar-labs, but they do not appear on the wiki
12:50:02 <lorip> saronmanUCM - sign into your account on the wiki and edit the page to add your name
12:50:09 <hislopg> SaromanUCM: you add your name to the page that Lorip linked above
12:50:15 <Samah> ok great then that is one I will sign up for
12:50:54 <lorip> saromanUCM: as soon as you know what you are interested in please sign up
12:51:20 <lorip> hislopg: do we want to add Sahana or Sugar-Labs to the list?
12:51:25 * SaromanUCM thanks hislopg
12:51:27 <hislopg> mselezm: you can add one of those.  We start with a few because we hope that people will find common interests.
12:51:55 <hislopg> You can add something like Sahana and we'll see whether others sign up
12:51:57 <mselezm> hislopg: Ok! thanks
12:52:02 <Samah> how do we sign up?
12:52:06 * SaromanUCM and thanks lorip
12:52:24 * SaromanUCM I was also interested in Sahana
12:52:54 <lorip> samah: go to this page
12:53:01 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
12:53:11 <lorip> log into your wiki account and edit the page
12:53:18 <mselezm> If there are not enough participants in Sahana or Sugar-Labs, I will look for another one
12:53:50 <Samah> I was also interested in Sahana
12:54:01 <hislopg> OK... I think we've made it through our agenda...
12:54:15 <hislopg> Why don't one of you add Sahana and then others can sign up?
12:54:19 <mselezm> Samah: great!
12:54:33 <mselezm> hislopg: ok
12:54:59 <lorip> I just added Sahana
12:55:11 <hislopg> I will note that there has been some indication that Sahana might not be that open to new contributors at the moment - but we can discuss that in Bologna
12:55:55 <lorip> just a quick reminder to log your activity in the google spreadsheet
12:56:05 <hislopg> OK.  Let's wrap up this meeting.  Thank you all!  Please keep going on the Stage 1 activities and record your comments as you go...
12:56:22 <gustavopinto> Good. Thank you too
12:56:22 * SaromanUCM great lorip, thanks
12:56:36 <hislopg> #endmeeting