15:07:25 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:07:30 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:07:38 <rdieter> hola
15:07:42 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:07:52 <dvratil> here
15:07:56 <rdieter> who's all around today?
15:07:56 * jgrulich is present
15:08:18 * ltinkl is present
15:08:18 <dvratil> (finally fixed my calendar notifications working)
15:08:24 <rdieter> than, Kevin_Kofler, kde*foo: ping
15:08:31 <rdieter> dvratil: woo :)
15:08:58 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:09:14 <rdieter> note to self: configure akonadi-google calendar sync on my new box here.
15:09:45 <ltinkl> (my phone works fine in this regard :)
15:10:08 <rdieter> #info dvratil jgrulich rdieter ltinkl Kevin_Kofler present
15:10:15 <rdieter> #chair dvratil jgrulich ltinkl Kevin_Kofler
15:10:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil jgrulich ltinkl rdieter
15:10:20 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:10:54 <rdieter> alrighty, what to discuss today?  Kevin thought of "f19 features" earlier
15:11:09 * rdieter can give 4.9.98 status report
15:12:13 <ltinkl> rdieter: are you planning to include translations as well? :)
15:12:48 <rdieter> eventually, but if someone with a faster net speed could help with that part, would be appreciated
15:13:10 <dvratil> kscreen update
15:13:28 <rdieter> ok, let's start off with that.
15:13:32 <rdieter> #topic kscreen update
15:13:39 <rdieter> dvratil: do tell :)
15:13:43 <dvratil> so, we have first official release
15:13:50 * rdieter yays
15:13:57 <dvratil> not yet announced because afiestas is terribly slow in writing blog posts
15:14:03 <dvratil> update is already in bodhi, so please test
15:14:14 <rdieter> bodhi ... for f18?
15:14:23 <dvratil> and f17
15:14:37 <ltinkl> dvratil: didn't see any update yet
15:15:22 <dvratil> and for those who don't know, in f19 we made with rdieter kscreen and the old randr module to conflicting, so users can pick which one they want to use
15:15:25 <rdieter> I'd recommend adding instructions on how to manually disable xrandrmonitor kded, that's required for proper function, isn't it?
15:15:38 <dvratil> ltinkl, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kscreen-0.0.71-1.fc18
15:15:47 <rdieter> I only added the subpkg to kde-4.10 prerelease builds so far
15:16:31 <rdieter> dvratil: I'd also recommend bundling kscreen/libkscreen into a single update
15:17:17 <ltinkl> dvratil: why do I get kscreen-0.9.0 as an update? :)
15:17:34 <rdieter> ltinkl: that's the old update, the new one isn't pushe dyet
15:17:42 <dvratil> ltinkl, because 0.9 is the git one, the official one is 1:00.0.71
15:17:58 <dvratil> rdieter, should I add the intructions to kscreen description?
15:18:04 <rdieter> dvratil: and while we're at it, those older updates should probably get unpushed
15:18:09 <ltinkl> so 0.9 is older than 0.0.71? :o
15:18:14 <rdieter> dvratil: +instructions, yes I think so
15:18:34 <dvratil> ok
15:18:46 <rdieter> dvratil: furhter, I can backport the kded_xrandrmonitor subpkg packaging to f17/f18 too if you think that would help
15:18:54 <dvratil> I can unpush the old kscreen before this hits updates-testing
15:19:34 <dvratil> 4.10 goes to f18 only, right?
15:19:49 <rdieter> dvratil: to f18 only... eventually, right.
15:20:10 <dvratil> so I'd wait with this till 4.10 probably
15:20:35 <rdieter> dvratil: this = the kded_xrandrmonitor subpkg?  ok.  we can live with giving manual instructions until then
15:21:00 <dvratil> ok, I'll update the update tonight
15:23:05 <rdieter> ok, moving on...
15:23:10 <rdieter> #topic kde-4.9.98 status
15:23:23 <rdieter> I'm uploading the remainder of 4.9.98 to rawhide now
15:23:35 <rdieter> got started during the fudcon hackfests this weekend
15:23:56 <rdieter> will finish up doing f18 kde-unstable builds later today as well
15:24:59 <Kevin_Kofler> Great.
15:25:20 <rdieter> i've one big concern about doing 4.10 update for f18 officially
15:26:07 <Kevin_Kofler> And that is?
15:26:12 <rdieter> on doing 4.9 => 4.10 update, one can't logout/reboot the existing 4.9 session (due to kscreenlocker changes, I believe)
15:26:40 <rdieter> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310486
15:26:45 <rdieter> (or maybe ksmserver)
15:27:13 <rdieter> tis a shame we don't have offline update support in apper yet. :(
15:27:31 <Kevin_Kofler> Hmmm, fun…
15:28:45 <rdieter> otherwise, these 4.9.9? pre-releaeses have been a pleasure to use.
15:29:29 <Kevin_Kofler> I think the first step to figuring out where this comes from is to find where the connection of some object :: logoutRequested() to KSMShutdownDlg::slotLogout() is happening and why that "some object" is null.
15:32:53 <rdieter> yeah, i'm more than a little surprised there's been so little upstream input so far.  I hope we can agree this is likely a blocker to doing a f18 update
15:33:32 <Kevin_Kofler> Oh, BTW, I also e-mailed upstream about the libkdcraw/libjpeg8 issue, but so far they've been very unhelpful.
15:34:06 <Kevin_Kofler> I just got one upstream developer blaming Fedora for everything and no other replies, in particular no answer to my questions.
15:34:10 <rdieter> thanks for that.  yes and no, I think it's been a useful discussion
15:34:46 <Kevin_Kofler> Re the upgrade issue, I think upstream doesn't officially support upgrading KDE SC from within a running session. :-(
15:35:29 <Kevin_Kofler> So they're not going to give that issue high priority, I'm afraid.
15:36:00 <rdieter> maybe so. :(   anyway, anything else 4.9.9? related?
15:36:39 <ltinkl> I already spoke to dantti
15:36:44 <ltinkl> it's on his TODO list
15:36:45 <Kevin_Kofler> So these are the connections: http://lxr.kde.org/source/kde/kde-workspace/ksmserver/shutdowndlg.cpp#249
15:37:14 <rdieter> k, let's continue that discussion post-meeting ...
15:37:44 <Kevin_Kofler> For libkdcraw, I'll have to have a look directly at the code, seeing how upstream either refuses or is unable to answer my questions.
15:37:48 <Kevin_Kofler> :-(
15:38:12 <rdieter> ltinkl: oh great, any time-frame?  as in, something we could use in time for 4.10.1 or 4.10.2 perhaps?
15:38:44 <rdieter> that would allow us to side-step the issue a bit
15:38:54 <ltinkl> rdieter: most probably, he said he'd do it soon
15:39:25 <rdieter> ok
15:39:28 <rdieter> moving on...
15:39:40 <rdieter> #topic f19 features
15:40:25 <rdieter> sounds like than agreed/volunteered to work on kde4.10 feature page for f19.  anything else we should feature-ize?  kscreen?
15:40:56 <ltinkl> rdieter: good idea, dvratil? :)
15:41:16 <rdieter> dvratil: re: kscreen, we could roll that into the kde4.10 bigger feature too, means a little less work, but also means it won't get as much visibility either
15:41:19 <ltinkl> we should really "advertise" this
15:41:42 <dvratil> I'm for having it as a bigger feature
15:41:46 * rdieter agrees with ltinkl , show off the awesomeness
15:42:25 <rdieter> dvratil: are you familiar with the feature process?  and writing it up on the wiki?  need help?
15:42:36 <dvratil> I have no idea what to do :)
15:42:49 <Kevin_Kofler> My guess for the ksmserver issue: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/entry/ksmserver/shutdowndlg.cpp?rev=KDE%2F4.9#L244 – this theme file is probably missing in 4.10 (different theme names?).
15:42:58 <rdieter> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/FeatureList , http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy
15:43:08 <rdieter> dvratil: ^^ helpful links to get started
15:43:23 <dvratil> thanks
15:43:28 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: nice, you make it sound easy :)
15:43:39 <Kevin_Kofler> That code didn't change though. But maybe the "theme" argument did.
15:43:49 <Kevin_Kofler> But as I said, it's just a guess, might be entirely wrong, mind you.
15:44:46 <Kevin_Kofler> To verify it, compare /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksmserver/themes/*/main.qml on 4.9 vs. 4.10, did themes get added/removed there?
15:44:49 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: mind posting your findings in the bug?  that should help others continue debugging too
15:45:10 * rdieter sees /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksmserver/themes/default/main.qml on 4.9.98
15:46:01 <rdieter> file seems same on 4.9.5 too
15:46:49 <Kevin_Kofler> Must be more complicated then. :-/ Maybe a compatibility issue, like the theme from 4.10 using stuff only supported by 4.10's libplasma, so it fails when the 4.9 ksmserver tries to load it?
15:47:48 <Kevin_Kofler> dvratil: Re kscreen, yes, a separate feature makes sense, assuming it actually works. :-)
15:48:56 <dvratil> Kevin_Kofler, it works pretty well and we are still improving it :)
15:49:45 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:49:51 <rdieter> ok, anything else to discuss today?
15:50:08 <sgallagh> rdieter: where is the appropriate place to file bugs when trying out the release candidate packages?
15:50:59 <rdieter> sgallagh: either rh bugzilla or kde bugzilla, depending on if you suspect it to be a downstream or upstream issue.  if in doubt, rh bugzilla.
15:51:38 <rdieter> sgallagh: or poke someone in #fedora-kde to followup , if it's something nasty
15:51:44 <sgallagh> rdieter: Ok, wasn't sure if RH BZ was permissible since they're not official packages
15:52:07 <rdieter> sgallagh: it's fine, it's rebuilds of what's in rawhide, so fair game essentially
15:52:11 * sgallagh became convinced at FUDCon that he wants back on KDE :)
15:52:20 <Kevin_Kofler> Great. :-)
15:52:51 <rdieter> some of those big room discussions were... interesting to say the least.
15:52:54 <Kevin_Kofler> Looking at the ksmserver QML's history, I don't see any incompatible change to that between 4.9 and 4.10.
15:55:24 <Kevin_Kofler> I posted the little I was able to find out to: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310486#c6
15:55:58 <rdieter> thanks
15:56:05 * rdieter will end meeting in 2 min
15:58:43 <rdieter> thanks everyone
15:58:46 <rdieter> #endmeeting