21:00:01 #startmeeting Fedora Magazine 21:00:01 Meeting started Thu Sep 3 21:00:01 2015 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:04 #meetingname magazine 21:00:04 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:10 #topic Roll call! 21:00:18 .hello ankursinha 21:00:19 FranciscoD_: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 21:00:22 .hello pfrields 21:00:23 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:01:05 .hello ryanlerch 21:01:06 ryanlerch_: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' 21:01:48 .hello roshi 21:01:49 roshi: roshi 'Mike Ruckman' 21:02:30 hi stickster 21:02:37 .hello croberts 21:02:38 stickster: croberts 'Chad Roberts' 21:02:48 .chrisroberts 21:02:52 oops! Sorry 21:02:56 no worries :) 21:03:01 .hello chrisroberts 21:03:02 croberts: chrisroberts 'Chris Roberts' 21:03:04 I'm sure that *never* causes you a problem :-D 21:03:13 hello 21:03:14 lol nope 21:03:15 .hello cydrobolt 21:03:16 Cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' 21:03:38 #chair FranciscoD_ ryanlerch_ roshi croberts Cydrobolt 21:03:38 Current chairs: Cydrobolt FranciscoD_ croberts roshi ryanlerch_ stickster 21:03:55 o/ croberts stickster 21:04:21 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine/Editorial_meetings -- Agenda 21:04:35 #topic Retrospective of last week 21:04:38 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/index.php?page=calendar 21:04:54 #undo 21:04:54 Removing item from minutes: 21:05:01 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/index.php?page=calendar&start_date=2015-08-03&post_status=publish&cat=0&author=0 21:06:08 #info Firefox 40.0.3 story after hours last Thursday; and F23 Cloud Base test day story yesterday 21:06:37 8490 views last Thursday, pretty great! 21:07:10 accordsing to jetpack stats, thursday at 10am is our most popular hour 21:07:58 By day: Firefox story - http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=post&post=9815 21:08:26 By day: Cloud test day story - http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=post&post=9841 21:08:49 very nice 21:08:55 +1 21:09:17 good work :) 21:09:22 * stickster not sure we're ready to do things with these numbers quite yet, just getting the hang of finding/reporting 21:09:31 looks good 21:09:31 I'm OK to move on if you guys are :-) 21:09:41 stickster, just a quick nq 21:09:44 q 21:09:46 ryanlerch_: Stop me if you think I'm glossing over an opportunity here. 21:09:50 yeah, go 4 it! 21:10:02 was the cloud story pormoted on twitter / fb / g+ 21:10:13 ryanlerch_: I don't know! 21:10:17 * FranciscoD_ checks 21:10:19 I haven't yet 21:10:23 * stickster looks, I didn't do it 21:10:32 but I think it'd be better to do it closer to the date 21:10:33 that might be a difference -- i know i did the firefox one 21:10:39 twitter gets burried faster 21:10:41 it was on twitter, yes 21:10:47 just a thought anyways 21:10:55 https://twitter.com/fedora/status/639100249781481472 21:11:09 Not on G+ 21:11:10 Twitter also has tweet stats now 21:11:15 could be useful 21:11:16 I generally retweet everything that comes off @fedora and fb 21:11:21 not g+ so much nowadays 21:11:21 croberts, sidenote -- we should see if we can get publizize working 21:11:29 ryanlerch_: i agree 21:11:37 ryanlerch_: I'll put this up on G+ after meeting, do you want to do FB? 21:11:39 * croberts makes a note of looking into it 21:11:39 okies -- sorry for the diversioan 21:11:48 ryanlerch_: Not at all, that was hugely relevant and we missed it 21:11:50 croberts, i think i opened a ticket for it 21:12:06 #action stickster Publicize cloud test day post on G+ 21:12:33 #info We missed publicizing the Cloud Base test day post, will fix that omission shortly! 21:12:52 * roshi doesn't frequent fb or g+ much 21:12:53 there is a plugin with jetpack called Publizie that auto posts to the social networks 21:12:58 yea 21:13:04 that is what is broken :) 21:13:09 it's quite simple to set up - or was when I was on wp 21:13:10 oh? 21:13:12 meh 21:13:12 * ryanlerch_ just giving some background :) 21:13:32 jetpack works well - usually 21:13:44 #action ryanlerch_ Publicize cloud test day post on Facebook 21:13:52 OK, let's keep things moving 21:14:03 #topic Pitch votes 21:14:06 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post 21:14:54 FranciscoD, https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/198 21:15:04 ooh pitch time! 21:15:06 :D 21:15:21 Let's start with the oldest (bottom) first 21:15:29 I really want to clear these out :-) 21:15:34 :) 21:15:51 #proposed blivet-gui 21:16:00 * decause was temporary indisposed, apologies 21:16:29 This is actually a pretty good article from the POV of "why we create something" 21:16:57 are we going through one by one, or just suggesting them here for consideration? 21:17:32 http://fedoramagazine.org/manage-your-partitions-like-in-anaconda-with-blivet-gui/ -> we have a post on this already? 21:17:33 roshi: We are going through 1x1 to decide whether to take a draft 21:17:50 Wait, why is this one in the pitch pile then? 21:18:08 dup probably, no one noticed :) 21:18:09 Duplicate? 21:18:16 Yeah 21:18:24 I just googled and found it - hadn't noticed before myself ;) 21:18:25 OK, I vote to kill the dupe ;-) 21:18:34 #undo 21:18:34 Removing item from minutes: 21:18:39 #proposed kill dupe blivet-gui! 21:18:43 KILL! KILL! KILL! 21:18:46 +1 21:19:26 ryanlerch_: roshi: croberts: ? 21:19:33 * stickster finger on the trigger... 21:19:38 +1 21:19:46 +1 21:19:54 reminds me of "lord of the flies".. 21:19:55 #agreed kill it 21:20:13 +1 21:20:20 #proposed How to tell if new software is on the way 21:20:21 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=5333&preview=true 21:20:40 stickster: looking 21:20:43 it's short, to the point 21:20:51 +1 21:20:54 i like this one -- but its been there for a while 21:20:56 This needs an edit but it seems good to go 21:20:57 +1 from me 21:21:00 stickster: yeah kill it 21:21:09 looking 21:21:14 at proposed 21:21:26 can't see it, but it seems like a good post from the title itself - +0.5? :D 21:21:28 * stickster +1 to move forward to draft 21:21:35 FranciscoD_: You need to be logged into the Magazine. 21:21:43 FranciscoD_: try http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin first 21:22:16 stickster: I don't have the required permissions - I'm not on the editor lists and things :) 21:22:39 FranciscoD_: Do you plan to be here regularly? If so, I'm happy to promote you ;-) 21:22:58 stickster is handing out promotions 21:22:59 stickster: maybe let me attend a few of these first and then I'll request a promotion :P 21:23:15 OK, for now don't worry :-) 21:23:20 but you could be the assistant manager of junior account deliverables! 21:23:22 :p 21:23:23 Anyone -1 to moving this on? 21:23:29 nope 21:23:30 if not, let's do it and keep moving 21:23:53 * stickster not into long drawn out vote processes. Keep your fingers on your keyboards, everyone! :-D 21:24:14 :) 21:24:36 #agreed moved to draft 21:24:45 #proposed Ibus typing-booster 21:25:36 This is very much a user-focused feature, esp for those doing Indic and other languages 21:26:10 There's quite a lot of information here. I'd be +1 for a draft 21:26:16 +1 draft 21:26:21 +1 for draft 21:26:38 +1 for me -- but needs some work -- and needs some background for people that dont use input methods IMHO 21:26:59 +1 21:26:59 ryanlerch_: Agreed 21:27:06 roshi: Can you set status to Draft please, since you're in it on the edit screen? 21:27:12 +1, I also agree it needs some work though 21:27:20 roshi: and then Save (not publish) 21:27:47 #agreed move to draft 21:27:55 #proposed New upstream monitoring system 21:27:57 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=7381&preview=true 21:28:02 I am? 21:28:08 I clicked preview.. 21:28:11 sure thing though 21:28:12 roshi: Huh, OK 21:28:18 roshi: yeah, go ahead :-) 21:28:23 U HAZ THE POWRZ 21:28:36 done 21:28:45 So this post, I'd think is a shoe-in for the community site 21:28:57 awesome! feels like we are getting somewhere 21:29:05 :-) 21:29:14 we also need to remember to reach out to these authors :) 21:29:23 ryanlerch_: Yeah, that's coming up in the agenda :-) 21:29:31 pitch -> draft first, then what to do with drafts in a moment 21:29:31 stickster, whoops -- sorry! 21:29:33 the anitya post is mine:) 21:29:46 ryanlerch_: Not at all, we're really churning through the "routine" agenda the first time today :-) 21:29:49 +1 from my perusal 21:29:50 Last time was a lot of intro stuff 21:30:16 Needs a bit of work methinks - featured image and things 21:30:25 roshi: were you agreeing with me? Or +1 to move onward? 21:31:00 both, I guess 21:31:11 I was +1 to the anitya pitch 21:31:43 I think since the community-news site is not quite ready, I'd be +1 to go ahead with this one for now 21:31:51 If it came up 3 months from now, I'd probably say move it over 21:32:10 +/-1 from others? 21:32:15 stickster: if the community site is on the cards, maybe we should collect some posts to put up on it now? 21:32:23 this is specifically to move it forward to Draft status 21:32:30 yeah -- this is def a good one for the community blog -- but +1 for the magazine now 21:32:31 so that we can give it a nice jump start? 21:32:32 s/this/this vote/ 21:32:32 +1. release monitoring is *huge* news IMO 21:32:49 rather than look for pitches when the community site gets ready, I mean 21:32:54 might be nice to spin it with some benefits for users 21:33:01 ryanlerch_: Right, we can add that into the draft 21:33:05 Anyone -1? 21:33:10 it == faster updates for end users :) 21:33:11 Not sure if Anitya is streamlined for users yet, though 21:33:39 In my experience using it, it's had some trouble getting upstream correctly and is a bit glitchy as of now 21:33:50 Cydrobolt, more -- this will help you get your newer packages faster becuase the packagers are more on the pulse 21:33:55 it could be rewritten from a different perspective - "how we keep our packages up to date" sort of? 21:33:56 +1 stickster 21:33:58 sorry 21:34:03 Cydrobolt: There was just recently another release, and the fixes for that could be included in the article :-) 21:34:03 i.e. users of Fedora 21:34:07 ryanlerch_: ++ 21:34:16 #link http://release-monitoring.org 21:34:22 #agreed move to draft 21:34:34 #proposed Stellarium 21:34:35 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=7721&preview=true 21:35:20 Just to remind folks, the question we're trying to answer is, "Is this an appropriate topic for us to move on to a draft (or consider an already done draft)?" 21:35:22 i asked the pitcher a few months back about this one, and he couldnt remember pitching it 21:35:33 * decause is getting 404 on that link, but has had other issues with the site also 21:35:45 * decause will file tickets after meeting 21:35:54 stickster, that's cool 21:36:00 but +1 for the concept -- but will need someone to pick it up 21:36:08 +1 stellarium 21:36:14 If the draft isn't picked up by the author or anyone else, our agenda will make sure it goes into the trash heap in a few weeks 21:36:19 I agree with ryanlerch_ 21:36:20 one of my fav ones to show off to new users 21:36:27 yeah 21:36:28 same here 21:36:34 +1 for me too, it's a really fun app 21:36:37 +1 21:36:47 ryanlerch_: want to move this one to draft? 21:36:57 #agreed move to draft 21:37:23 #proposed gnome-battery-bench 21:37:25 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=8633&preview=true 21:37:40 #link http://blog.fishsoup.net/2015/01/15/gnome-battery-bench/ 21:37:44 -1 21:37:51 for battery bench 21:38:04 +1 21:38:06 not really ready for primetime (the app) 21:38:08 I really like this one 21:38:11 This one's... yeah, kind of an interesting utility but... it's so niche 21:38:24 showing people powertop on my laptop has been a big thing for people 21:38:32 people love extra battery life 21:38:34 more battery life = issue users would likely be interested in 21:38:41 and not that obvious how to use it... I've done so, successfully, but this program doesn't actually help your battery life :-) 21:38:46 the article content/depth, I can't speak to fully yet 21:38:49 it doesnt really help battery life 21:38:56 right, it's not for that purpose :-) 21:39:01 oh? 21:39:04 i pitched it FWIW 21:39:05 * FranciscoD_ goes to look at it 21:39:20 it just runs tests to see what is sucking battery 21:39:20 correct... and even Owen will tell you it's not ready for prime time atm 21:39:25 -1 on this from me 21:39:25 Yeah 21:39:29 It looks more like a benchmark rather 21:39:38 ah, didn't know it wasn't ready 21:39:49 It's there to actually induce drain by mimicking a workload 21:39:54 perhaps morph it into a "How to get better battery life?" article? 21:39:57 yeah, benchmark tool at the moment 21:40:00 can it be dnf installed? 21:40:02 roshi: We have one of those actually 21:40:05 decause: Yes 21:40:08 ah, didn't know 21:40:11 if it isn't packaged, that could be a decent place to start 21:40:15 -1 from me for now 21:40:28 I rescind my vote - now -1 21:40:46 oh no! my first rejected pitch :D 21:40:49 :) 21:40:52 #agreed trash the pitch 21:40:59 .moar beatings ryanlerch_ 21:40:59 here ryanlerch_, have some more beatings 21:41:04 stickster, feel free to delete 21:41:14 they will continue until pitches improve :p 21:41:17 zodbot++ 21:41:23 * decause didn't know about that feature 21:41:25 done 21:41:32 * roshi loves him some zodbot 21:41:34 #proposed Perl 6 21:41:35 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=9036&action=edit 21:41:39 -1 21:41:54 #info stickster was in touch with the author Gerd... it's not clear he is ready to make this a consumable article 21:41:58 "You are not allowed to edit this item." 21:42:06 -1 to this 21:42:13 decause: oops! 21:42:16 wp has issues with concurrent users 21:42:18 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9036&preview=true 21:42:26 if one is there, it fights you 21:42:30 yeah, they don't like multiple people trying to edit 21:43:13 #idea stickster to continue working with Gerd, and if no resolution in next few days, stickster will remove from pitch pile 21:43:38 +1 to the #idea 21:43:56 idea +1 21:44:44 +1 idea 21:44:51 #agreed with #idea above 21:45:07 #proposed Official Flock wrapup 21:45:09 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9811&preview=true 21:45:19 Oops, I skipped one, we'll come back to it! 21:45:26 * decause pitched this one 21:45:33 flock round up +1 21:45:37 I think this one is in progress with mattdm, shall we skip for now? 21:45:40 +1 21:45:44 oh wait 21:45:49 we *can* move it to draft 21:45:51 * decause met with mattdm and abby yesterday 21:45:54 that just means someone's working on it :-) 21:45:59 +1 for draft 21:46:04 it'll be a nice follow up to the flock videos post and so on 21:46:06 +1 draft 21:46:08 FranciscoD_: agreed! 21:46:11 +1 for draft -- user focused though :0 21:46:35 ryanlerch_: I will ride herd on mattdm :-D 21:46:45 #agreed on to draft 21:46:50 #link https://imgur.com/RDOdnwU 21:46:54 #proposed fpaste 21:46:57 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=8882&preview=true 21:47:12 fpaste +1 21:47:24 I'm working on a fancy image/dataviz for the previous flock article 21:47:27 +0 from me 21:47:31 decause: nice! 21:47:33 not sure about this one 21:47:47 if it isn't already mentioned in the post, can an editor please slip in the fact that it has been updated to the new shiny python3? 21:47:49 I think this is an OK idea since users who are seeking community help are often told to "fpaste " 21:48:09 yea, fpaste is really helpful, especially --sysinfo 21:48:10 yeah +1 21:48:22 knowing about fpaste will make helping people a lot easier 21:48:22 * decause uses fpaste almost daily 21:48:25 FranciscoD_: That's like the first thing people ask for in IRC, and often on ask.fp.o or forums 21:48:30 +1 21:48:31 command-line tool should be mentioned too maybe ;) 21:48:34 +1 fpaste 21:48:38 * roshi uses it all the time 21:48:41 sorta why I maintain it : 21:48:42 :P 21:48:53 okies +1 from me 21:48:57 It's not fancy but I think it's super useful -- across the board, whether you're on Server or Workstation 21:49:02 ryanlerch_: peer pressure? XD 21:49:02 +1 from me 21:49:05 #agreed on to draft 21:49:20 #proposed Eclipse 'mars' 21:49:24 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9851&preview=true 21:49:41 +1 21:49:47 I don't know a thing about it and I'm already +1 21:49:49 decause: the wordcloud is awesome, btw! Using wordcram or something? 21:49:55 mars +1 21:49:59 +1 for this 21:50:03 i have been in contact with an eclipse guy, and i pitched this for him :) 21:50:05 Eclipse is totally awesome though... very developer-focused article, could be super-cool 21:50:11 while i get him some perms 21:50:21 though, why use an IDE, I have no idea... :p 21:50:25 heh 21:50:26 ryanlerch_ will make sure we can understand the draft! :-D 21:50:30 emacs/vim and tmux is my ide 21:50:32 FranciscoD_: word_cloud has colored images now, and is a likely candidate for my first packaging contribution to Fedora ;) 21:50:46 #agreed on to draft 21:50:51 roshi: works for java folks and andriod devs that haven't yet moved to android studio 21:50:53 It's a no-brainer 21:51:01 decause: nice! I'll help review it if you'd like :) 21:51:08 #info Our pitch queue just went from 10 to 2 ;-) 21:51:09 FranciscoD++ 21:51:12 eclipse is great 21:51:20 stickster, awesome! 21:51:25 #topic Unfinished drafts 21:51:28 #progress 21:51:30 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 21:51:43 geeze 21:51:55 8 in the queue -- not bad! 21:52:06 :) 21:52:06 A lot of them are ones we just moved 21:52:12 #action stickster Rewrite our agenda links to put the oldest at the top 21:52:18 FranciscoD_: Yup, as intended 21:52:48 #info The action for each draft is to establish an author assignment and an ETA 21:53:29 If unassigned, an editor takes #action to fix that :-) 21:53:51 Again starting with the moldiest oldies at the bottom :-) 21:54:06 aha, noted 21:54:17 #info DNF package management 21:54:19 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=7023&preview=true 21:55:05 my privs are not enough to view these previews :/ 21:55:13 decause: Are you logged in? 21:55:21 +1 on this article 21:55:28 something that's super useful, especially for new users 21:55:31 stickster: yep 21:55:35 * stickster will fix 21:55:37 +1 21:55:39 decause, it might be a cookies issue -- if the interent is to be believed 21:55:40 stickster: thanks 21:55:45 have been asked about dnf by lots of people 21:56:01 the dnf-upgrade plugin will make a great post when it's ready too 21:56:03 any other authors having issues previewing posts? 21:56:14 * stickster notes decause is "Contributor" right now 21:56:29 ryanlerch_: He needs to be "author"? 21:56:38 i did some Major additions to this one a month or so ago 21:56:50 * mitzie just joined, catching up 21:56:54 but the original author didnt respond to emials 21:56:58 #chair mitzie 21:56:58 Current chairs: Cydrobolt FranciscoD_ croberts mitzie roshi ryanlerch_ stickster 21:57:10 ryanlerch_: Hmm -- in that case I would not be in favor of moving this forward :-\ 21:57:19 Because we want authors to respond to comments and so forth 21:57:35 * stickster realizes there are nuances he hasn't captured well in the wiki agenda yet 21:58:42 What to do, what to do... Should we think about reassigning this as a rewrite? 21:58:52 stickster, yes 21:59:26 Anyone here game to take it on? 21:59:36 dnf? sure! 22:00:01 FranciscoD, the top part above the --more-- is pretty much what i did 22:00:12 This seems like you could practically drop everything from "DNF has several new features:" on down, and get a new second half 22:00:21 stuff below was the original post 22:00:27 Can my wp user be assigned to the post using wp? 22:00:38 ryanlerch_: HA! I'm really good at discerning your writing from someone else's 22:00:41 I can't see it at the moment 22:00:43 :) 22:00:52 ENOPERMS 22:00:55 :D 22:00:58 ryanlerch_: I just saw the back end, and that's just where your "-- more --" was 22:01:10 FranciscoD_: I'll upgrade you so you can write it. 22:01:17 FranciscoD, this doesnt work for you? 22:01:19 http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=7023&preview_id=7023 22:01:28 decause: You are updated to "Author" 22:01:34 ryanlerch_: 404 - I'm only a contributor 22:01:41 FranciscoD_: I'll fix that too 22:01:46 stickster: thanks! :) 22:02:08