21:00:05 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Magazine
21:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 10 21:00:05 2015 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:00:09 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:11 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
21:00:17 <FranciscoD_> .hello ankursinha
21:00:18 <zodbot> FranciscoD_: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
21:00:20 <stickster> o/
21:00:25 <FranciscoD_> \o
21:00:26 <FranciscoD_> :D
21:01:42 <stickster> I suspect this meeting will be more fun than the last one... now that we cleared out the moldy pitches, we can spend more time setting up publishing schedule for existing drafts
21:01:54 <stickster> I hope some more people show up :-\
21:02:00 * FranciscoD_ is guilty of not finising the dnf post yet :(
21:02:50 <stickster> FranciscoD_: We'll get there, don't worry :-)
21:03:05 * stickster will wait until :05 to get more people
21:03:09 <FranciscoD_> ++
21:03:21 <FranciscoD_> two more minutes to drink more wine ;)
21:03:23 * FranciscoD_ tops up
21:06:42 <stickster> FranciscoD_: Hm, no one else yet :-(
21:07:14 <FranciscoD_> :(
21:07:18 <stickster> FranciscoD_: OK, let's at least do a little bit of what we can
21:07:21 <stickster> #chair FranciscoD_
21:07:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD_ stickster
21:07:56 <stickster> #topic Last week's publishing timeline
21:08:02 <stickster> #info No new articles this week :-(
21:08:15 * ryanlerch is here!
21:08:19 <stickster> YAY!
21:08:21 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch
21:08:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD_ ryanlerch stickster
21:08:27 <stickster> we were pretty lonely :-)
21:08:48 <FranciscoD_> lol
21:08:51 <ryanlerch> FranciscoD, thanks for coming again!
21:08:54 <stickster> So this past week was not great, with no stories -- BUT! We are well on our way to fixing that very problem!
21:09:02 <ryanlerch> FranciscoD, are you still in AU?
21:09:09 <FranciscoD_> nah, moved to the UK now
21:09:14 <FranciscoD_> 3 years here - phd
21:09:17 <FranciscoD_> then we'll see ;)
21:09:17 <stickster> #topic Pitch votes
21:10:08 <stickster> One of the pitches here is wrong -- it should be a draft
21:10:35 <stickster> Stellarium
21:11:02 <FranciscoD_> It was a pitch last week, wasn't it?
21:11:16 <stickster> Yeah, that's right FranciscoD_ -- but it wasn't clear someone was actually writing it
21:11:55 <stickster> It's in the draft pile right now, is someone interested in writing it?
21:12:09 * stickster raises a hand, since there aren't many people to say yes today :-)
21:12:17 <FranciscoD_> I'm just pulling up the minutes from last week to refresh what we did
21:12:37 * ryanlerch would like to, but doesnt really know much about space :)
21:12:48 <stickster> #action stickster move Stellarium to draft status as agreed last week
21:13:05 <ryanlerch> yeah, it is a good idea for a post :)
21:13:12 <FranciscoD_> There's a well known astro department here, folks working with hubble and all that, but none of them are open source contributors :(
21:13:23 <stickster> #topic Perl 6 on backends MoarVM and JVM
21:13:29 <stickster> #undo
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21:13:37 <stickster> #topic Pitch votes
21:13:46 <stickster> #info Perl 6 article
21:13:58 <ryanlerch> have heard back from Gerd on this one?
21:14:11 <stickster> Last time we agreed to give Gerd some time... heard back nothing at this point.
21:14:22 <stickster> So I'm -1 to go to draft
21:14:26 <ryanlerch> -1 from me on this one too
21:14:34 <FranciscoD_> -1 if we haven't received a response
21:14:43 <stickster> #agreed move to trash, since no response from author
21:15:00 <stickster> done
21:15:03 <ryanlerch> yay! pitch queue cleared!
21:15:07 <stickster> WOOHOO!
21:15:10 <ryanlerch> time to fill it up again? :)
21:15:30 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yes indeed. Shall we reserve 10 minutes starting at :50 to do that?
21:15:37 <ryanlerch> stickster, ack!
21:15:47 <stickster> #info At :50 we'll keep time to refresh pitch queue
21:15:59 <stickster> #topic Draft status
21:16:17 <stickster> #info Goal is to determine if each draft is ready for review (Pending Review status)
21:16:52 <stickster> #info Newer version of software
21:17:13 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=5333&preview=true
21:18:05 <stickster> I think this may need some editing, but in the interest of getting something in queue, I'd propose this one for next status
21:18:27 <stickster> The editor's touch is needed to explain some of the jargon
21:18:34 <FranciscoD_> +1
21:18:42 <ryanlerch> i'll take this one
21:18:46 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'm not sure if I'm setting the bar correctly here for PR status -- do chime in
21:19:08 <stickster> I don't want to be premature, but I also doubt Matthew has time to jump in and rewrite heavily
21:19:28 <ryanlerch> i think this is at a good level to be taken on
21:19:45 <ryanlerch> it's matt too, so happy to set the bar a little lower ;)
21:19:51 <stickster> Cool cool... ryanlerch, can you set to Pending Review, and let's agree on a publication date so this will be on the schedule?
21:21:08 <ryanlerch> lets aim for tuesday?
21:21:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: Good thinking
21:21:29 <ryanlerch> it will give time for some back and forth with matt and timezones
21:21:52 <stickster> #agreed Move to Pending Review, ryanlerch to edit and publish on 2015-09-15
21:22:06 <stickster> #info IBus typing booster
21:22:14 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=7025&preview=true
21:22:39 * ryanlerch gets lost with input methods, so probably not a good one for me
21:22:56 <stickster> I'm not incredibly conversant with them, but I'm game
21:23:10 <stickster> I'll take it on, for publication Wednesday?
21:24:03 <FranciscoD_> sure :P
21:24:32 <stickster> oops, forgot:
21:24:45 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit "new software" post for publication 2015-09-15
21:25:02 <stickster> #action stickster edit "ibus typing booster" post for publication 2015-09-16
21:25:55 <stickster> #info DNF package management
21:25:56 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=7023&preview=true
21:26:02 <FranciscoD_> I haven't worked on it yet
21:26:07 <FranciscoD_> I promise to do it over the weekend
21:26:28 <stickster> FranciscoD_: OK, how about we agree to check in with you on Monday, and see if we can publish on Thursday?
21:26:35 <FranciscoD_> sounds good
21:26:41 <stickster> ryanlerch: Let me know if I'm being too aggressive with publishing schedule
21:27:51 <ryanlerch> we always have the marketing list to communicate updates too :)
21:28:01 <ryanlerch> stickster, nah, i like it :)
21:28:06 <stickster> right on
21:28:09 * roshi shows up late
21:28:24 <stickster> #idea Can we set up one more editorial metadata field for "Expect to Publish" date?
21:28:45 <stickster> #chair roshi
21:28:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD_ roshi ryanlerch stickster
21:29:27 <stickster> #action FranciscoD_ to finish draft by Monday and let the list know so we can edit -- expect to publish Thu 2015-09-17
21:29:30 <FranciscoD_> ++
21:29:59 <ryanlerch> hi roshi!
21:30:17 <roshi> o/ ryanlerch and co :)
21:30:28 <FranciscoD_> roshi: must be busy testing something :P
21:30:53 <roshi> actually, this time it was fixing a broken car so family could get done what needs done :)
21:31:27 <FranciscoD_> woah
21:31:30 * roshi reads backscroll
21:31:55 <stickster> #info Upstream monitoring system
21:32:00 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=7381&preview=true
21:32:19 <stickster> FranciscoD_: This is another article of yours, I believe... shall we set this one a week out, so you don't have to do so much at one time?
21:32:33 <FranciscoD_> I think this one's been around for a while actually
21:32:53 <FranciscoD_> and the upstream monitoring system isn't really new any more
21:33:03 * FranciscoD_ goes to check the infra announcement date
21:33:18 <stickster> FranciscoD_: Good point... do we want to keep it, and rewrite slightly so it's less about "new" and more about "here's a helpful way to get upstream monitoring, did you know about it?"
21:33:40 <stickster> The story is rather a good one
21:33:46 <FranciscoD_> I think a rewrite explaining how its helpful is in order now
21:34:14 <roshi> yeah, that makes the most sense to me
21:35:15 <stickster> FranciscoD_: And perhaps less about just Fedora packaging (although you can mention that), and maybe a bit more about how people who aren't necessarily Fedora packagers can use it?
21:35:22 <FranciscoD_> aye
21:35:24 <FranciscoD_> makes sense
21:35:41 <FranciscoD_> I'll read up pingou's blog on everything anitya can do now and update it
21:35:57 <FranciscoD_> There have been quite a few releases - I remember seeing mails on the infra list
21:36:31 <stickster> FranciscoD_: sounds good... here's an example, someone may be able to run the fedmsg-notify GUI on their Fedora workstation and know if fedmsg gets a "new upstream release" message for one or more releases they care about, even if they don't package
21:36:46 * FranciscoD_ notes
21:36:47 <stickster> That would take it away from being an article only aimed at Fedora packagers
21:36:58 <stickster> ryanlerch: what do you think?
21:37:01 <FranciscoD_> Yeah, will make it more user centric, makes sense
21:37:16 <ryanlerch> sounds pretty good to me!
21:37:26 <FranciscoD_> I can also include how anitya now attempts scratch builds with the new version to make it easier for the packager
21:37:33 <FranciscoD_> which in turn ensures that users get their updates sooner
21:37:34 <FranciscoD_> and so on
21:37:38 <stickster> Yes!
21:37:42 <stickster> FranciscoD_: Does an extra week sound good for that?
21:37:47 <stickster> Or is that not enough time?
21:37:47 <FranciscoD_> Sure
21:37:51 <FranciscoD_> Enough time
21:37:54 <stickster> OK
21:38:21 <FranciscoD_> I'll try and do it over the weekend, and the extra week should be quite sufficient.
21:38:34 <stickster> #action FranciscoD_ revise draft of anitya article by Mon 2015-09-21, for publication Thu 2015-09-24
21:38:44 <stickster> I'll volunteer to edit for you
21:38:50 <stickster> #action stickster to edit for FranciscoD_
21:39:11 <stickster> #info Playing with systemctl/systemd
21:39:13 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9227&preview=true
21:40:03 <ryanlerch> was thinking about this one this week -- might be good to make it more targeted, and possibly part of a series
21:40:19 <ryanlerch> i.e. the first one could be a tutorial about unit files
21:40:45 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yeah, I agree -- That would be *really* beneficial. And I love the idea of starting by talking about unit files. We could draw a lot from existing docs, just by simplifying the message
21:41:04 <roshi> that would help people out a lot
21:41:12 <stickster> ryanlerch: What if we had a private post to start collaborating on an outline for the series?
21:41:12 <ryanlerch> also this -- https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/understanding-systemd-units-and-unit-files
21:41:27 * roshi just mashes systemd buttons until it does what he wants or crashes most of the time
21:41:51 * FranciscoD_ hopes roshi has a different system for the car
21:42:00 <stickster> ryanlerch: That's awesome -- the CC-BY-NC-SA might be problematic but the concept/execution there is really good
21:42:11 <roshi> cars are a lot easier - working on them is how I relax :p
21:43:48 <stickster> ryanlerch: roshi FranciscoD_ should we go ahead and trash this draft?
21:43:57 <stickster> (to be replaced by a series)
21:44:07 <ryanlerch> stickster, agreed
21:44:12 <roshi> this won't fit into the series?
21:44:25 <roshi> are we going to reach out to the author to see if they want to help with the series?
21:44:30 <stickster> roshi: It's very general, and is more about service vs. systemctl
21:44:34 <FranciscoD_> series++
21:44:37 <FranciscoD_> stickster: that's old news IMO
21:44:39 <ryanlerch> there really isnt that much in the postbh
21:44:42 <stickster> roshi: oh, absolutely
21:45:06 <roshi> sure, trash it then
21:45:11 <FranciscoD_> anyone that's used fedora in the past two releases will now be aware of at least a few changes when it comes to systemctl
21:45:13 <stickster> I'm all for asking the author to collaborate on some additional bits, not sure whether this was a "drop and run" article but we can give benefit of the doubt
21:45:40 <stickster> #agreed Trash this draft, and replace with a new series on systemd use
21:46:16 <FranciscoD_> This may come in handy: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet
21:46:26 <stickster> #action ryanlerch start either a post, private post, or wiki page where we can outline the series
21:46:28 <FranciscoD_> we give this out to folks on #fedora all the time
21:46:44 <stickster> FranciscoD_: Exactly -- I feel like that's a link from our article (maybe in multiple places)
21:46:59 <stickster> Anything else to do on this one?
21:47:27 <stickster> #action stickster Email Ashutosh to see if he wants to collaborate on series
21:48:24 <stickster> #info fpaste article
21:48:28 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=8882&preview=true
21:48:47 <stickster> #info This was just moved to draft last week, but we didn't get a chance to assign it. roshi -- are you game to do one?
21:49:15 <roshi> write it, or edit it?
21:49:27 <stickster> roshi: Write it -- you'd have > 1 week to do a draft, since our schedule next week Tue-Thu is full :-)
21:49:39 <roshi> mattdm is writing all the content from here on out, right? :p
21:49:44 * FranciscoD_ is the fpaste maintainer
21:49:47 <roshi> sure thing
21:49:52 <roshi> I use fpaste all the time
21:49:52 <stickster> roshi: And this one doesn't have to be a novel, either
21:49:55 <FranciscoD_> So I'll be happy to answer any questions :P
21:50:02 <stickster> ha! Synergy
21:50:03 <roshi> wish my friends on other distros had it most of the time
21:50:04 <stickster> roshi++
21:50:11 <roshi> QA relies pretty heavy on it
21:50:27 <roshi> sweet, thanks FranciscoD_ :)
21:50:48 <FranciscoD_> anything I can do for QA :D
21:50:52 <stickster> roshi: So how about a draft by Friday Sep 18, and we'll publish Tue 2015-Sep-22
21:51:05 <roshi> I think that should work
21:51:06 <stickster> I <3 the <3
21:51:36 <stickster> #action roshi draft by Fri 2015-09-18, let the marketing@ list know (or ping stickster in IRC), to be published Tue 2015-09-22
21:51:43 <roshi> FranciscoD_ and I go way back, we went to different highschools together
21:51:48 <FranciscoD_> My *pink* wine fits right in with this picture. Maybe everything really is planned
21:51:51 <FranciscoD_> roshi: LOL
21:51:53 <stickster> OK, time to finish out with MOAR PITCHES
21:51:58 <roshi> :p
21:52:12 <FranciscoD_> ooo
21:52:18 <stickster> #topic More pitches
21:52:20 * FranciscoD_ has a pitch, but probably not for next week
21:52:34 <FranciscoD_> So, the cheatcube is in the process of being updated
21:52:38 <ryanlerch> FranciscoD, throw it into the mix
21:52:39 <stickster> FranciscoD_: Pitches can sit until we're ready for them :-)
21:52:39 <FranciscoD_> to use dnf and all that
21:52:56 <FranciscoD_> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/401
21:52:57 <stickster> FranciscoD_: So an article on how to download the cheatcube and make it?
21:53:03 <FranciscoD_> yes!
21:53:05 <stickster> LOVE IT
21:53:09 <FranciscoD_> the design team gave me feedback already
21:53:13 <stickster> +93501212-
21:53:36 <FranciscoD_> I'll submit the new version this weekend and they'll discuss it in their next meeting
21:54:03 <stickster> srsly, +1
21:54:03 <FranciscoD_> if I do everything right, it should pass inspection and be ready to use 2 weeks!
21:54:12 <ryanlerch> FranciscoD, add it to the pitch pile!!!!!
21:54:23 <stickster> #action FranciscoD_ Throw cheatcube topic in a post, set status to "Pitch," and save
21:54:35 <stickster> Anyone else?
21:54:37 <FranciscoD_> yay!
21:54:40 <FranciscoD_> I haz a pitch!
21:54:41 <stickster> Use #idea to record for minutes
21:54:57 <FranciscoD_> we're almost up to beta now
21:55:04 <FranciscoD_> should we start building up to release?
21:55:08 <FranciscoD_> tiny bits on whats new?
21:55:11 <FranciscoD_> and things?
21:55:20 <ryanlerch> i noticed that the Unity IDE is now available on linux -- but with ubuntu packages only
21:55:22 <FranciscoD_> I know the docs team froze beats last week I think
21:55:39 <stickster> FranciscoD_: That's a good idea too
21:55:45 <ryanlerch> might be nice to have one covering how to get it installed on Fedora
21:56:08 <FranciscoD_> ryanlerch: is there a copr or something?
21:56:12 <FranciscoD_> btw: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats
21:56:28 <ryanlerch> FranciscoD, no -- it's non-free software
21:56:38 <FranciscoD_> ah :/
21:57:54 <FranciscoD_> I'll check it out, but I generally stick to vim + terminal, not really an IDE person
21:58:00 <FranciscoD_> rather, vim is the IDE here
21:58:08 <roshi> +1 to that
21:58:12 <roshi> FranciscoD_++
21:58:14 <roshi> ;p
21:58:25 <roshi> and now, powerline
21:58:28 <stickster> ryanlerch: Do you have a link to that?
21:58:29 <ryanlerch> FranciscoD, its specifically for making games with the Unity game engine
21:58:36 <roshi> which I use, but don't really know what all I can do with it yet...
21:58:37 <stickster> ryanlerch: Is that http://unityide.com/ ?
21:58:55 <ryanlerch> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/unity3d-linux-build
21:59:42 <FranciscoD_> tbh, I didn't know unity was a game engite
21:59:51 <ryanlerch> stickster, no, not http://unityide.com/
21:59:55 <FranciscoD_> I always think of *buntus desktop when unity comes up
22:00:04 <stickster> OK -- I'm looking at the article
22:00:15 <stickster> Wow, a big .sh binary installer :-\
22:00:50 * stickster dreads telling people to do 'curl <URL> | sh -'
22:01:28 * roshi will never tell someone to do that
22:01:42 <FranciscoD_> yea
22:01:43 <stickster> OK, so if you have more pitches, you guys know what to do -- save it as a "Pitch" status post in WP, and we'll cover it in the next agenda!
22:01:51 <roshi> 'curl <url>' open in vim, read, edit, then run
22:01:57 <FranciscoD_> I think the dnf upgrade plugin will make a good post
22:02:01 <FranciscoD_> it replaces fedup
22:02:16 <stickster> FranciscoD_: If all goes well, no one should notice that -- they just run 'fedup'
22:02:17 <FranciscoD_> I tested it on a vm and it worked great, but it probably needs more testing right now
22:02:27 <roshi> it does
22:02:35 <FranciscoD_> stickster: ah? I didn't know that
22:02:38 <roshi> I think we've got some fun down the line when it comes to upgrades...
22:02:40 <FranciscoD_> I ran the dnf commands and all that
22:02:42 <stickster> OK, we need to close meeting, because I have to run :-)
22:02:46 <FranciscoD_> ++
22:02:49 <FranciscoD_> lots of work to do
22:02:53 <stickster> Thank you guys for being awesome and here!
22:02:59 <roshi> sorry I was late today :(
22:03:02 <roshi> see you all next week
22:03:04 <stickster> not a problem!
22:03:06 <FranciscoD_> Thank you for chairing again :)
22:03:08 <stickster> #endmeeting