21:00:13 #startmeeting Fedora Magazine 21:00:13 Meeting started Thu Sep 24 21:00:13 2015 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:16 #meetingname magazine 21:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:19 #topic Roll call 21:00:21 .hello decause 21:00:22 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 21:00:28 .hello pfrields 21:00:29 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:00:31 .hello ankursinha 21:00:32 FranciscoD_: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 21:00:50 * ryanlerch is here 21:00:57 .hello ryanlerch 21:00:58 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' 21:01:21 * FranciscoD_ just finished downloading f23 packages 21:01:31 will attempt the upgrade after the meeting 21:01:37 FranciscoD++ 21:01:41 #chair decause FranciscoD_ ryanlerch 21:01:41 Current chairs: FranciscoD_ decause ryanlerch stickster 21:01:41 two boxes done already - no issues yet 21:01:49 nice 21:02:04 yea, the dnf plugin seems to work pretty well 21:02:06 * stickster updated workstation to Beta, did 'dnf system-upgrade' + 'dnf update' two-step 21:02:26 stickster: do you need the dnf update after? 21:02:27 solid 21:02:34 shouldn't system upgrade pick up updates? 21:02:36 lbazan++ 21:02:36 decause: Karma for lbazan changed to 10 (for the f22 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:02:39 FranciscoD_: Only in my case -- weird mirror + dep issue. 21:02:46 ah, right 21:03:04 OK, I *must* close meeting on time tonight. So let's get started. 21:03:09 #topic Review of the week 21:03:38 solid week this week -- beta announce did awesome 21:03:50 #info Biggest story: Obviously the F23 Beta article. But one of our best days in a very long time 21:04:11 nod nod nod 21:04:25 Facebook says it did better than 95% of the other posts we've posted too 21:04:38 #idea What do we do about the anitya post still waiting? 21:04:47 probably - it has the widest tarket audience - all fedora users 21:04:54 (and other users that are interested in Fedora) 21:05:14 stickster: we have nothing for today do we? 21:05:17 s/tarket/target/ 21:05:24 or tomorrow 21:05:32 ryanlerch: Correct -- it was supposed to publish this a.m. according to last week's meeting notes 21:06:03 i pushed the gnome 3.18 article last night -- it was one without a pitch, but it was kinda an on the fly news item 21:06:11 just schedule it for one of the next slots I guess? 21:06:16 ryanlerch: That was good timing, ride the GNOME 3.18 wavecrest 21:06:24 anitya isn't a time critical piece 21:06:27 I /just/ added a draft for the Software Freedom Day Badge-a-thon before this meeting, but it still needs work 21:06:30 can be published whenever 21:06:44 Should we try for Tuesday? Friday is like a news ghetto IIRC 21:06:56 ++ 21:06:56 Friday != big press day 21:07:24 +1 for tuesday 21:07:37 * nirik has some info for the fpaste article that ran recently... not sure where to note it. Just in a comment? or ? 21:07:57 nirik: Comments are fine... if it's something radically wrong or bad, we can fix the article with an edit note 21:08:28 ryanlerch: Do you have time to pull together a graphic for anitya article by Tuesday? 21:08:37 tatica++ 21:08:42 jflory7++ 21:08:42 decause: Karma for jflory7 changed to 2 (for the f22 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:08:59 stickster: there should be one on there 21:09:02 i think 21:09:10 o/ 21:09:14 ryanlerch: Oh! I hadn't checked since yesterday (or maybe earlier) 21:09:15 cool 21:09:16 its just this: the "official" name/site for it is paste.fedoraproject.org... there's a convience rename from fpaste.org to it, but we don't control or own that domain so the cert won't match and it could disappear someday if they decide to drop it. ;) 21:09:17 Hiya! 21:09:23 #agreed Publish anitya article Tudsday 21:09:26 #undo 21:09:26 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 21:09:23 : Publish anitya article Tudsday 21:09:32 #agreed Publish anitya article Tuesday 2015-Sep-29 21:09:38 OK, then it's time for Pitch votes 21:09:40 * roshi is here 21:09:51 #topic Agenda 21:09:58 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine/Editorial_meetings 21:10:07 #info just a reminder, with links 21:10:11 #topic Pitch votes 21:10:21 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&orderby=date&order=asc 21:11:02 #info systemd series -- stickster added a number of article ideas and links, per last meeting action items 21:11:07 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9227&preview=true 21:11:26 roshi++ 21:11:33 #chair roshi 21:11:33 Current chairs: FranciscoD_ decause roshi ryanlerch stickster 21:12:06 Do we want to start breaking these out into pitches? Six articles seems like a pretty good basis for a series IMHO 21:12:14 stickster: I think my privs got reset to not being able to view the previews :/ 21:12:36 decause: That shouldn't happen -- are you definitely logged in? 21:12:43 (black banner bar at top) 21:13:44 stickster: yes, def 21:14:53 stickster: https://imgur.com/7Kqn5Eu 21:15:39 dunno, not trying to derail with admin/opsy biz 21:15:46 stickster: we can fix out of band later 21:16:02 decause: hang on, I'm fixing this 21:16:23 decause: try again? 21:16:42 * stickster published it privately just to make things easier 21:17:07 stickster: wfm 21:17:10 stickster++ 21:17:27 * stickster still waiting for anyone to answer question about breaking this up... maybe everyone was having the same problem :-) 21:18:13 * roshi is getting logged in too 21:18:49 * decause def only got onto the systemd train a few months ago, but it was *really* cool creating a service 21:19:04 the one that auto-tweets wordclouds when meetings end 21:19:17 i'm think each of those dot points would make a good article -- dont mind having them smaller and focused on covering a single topic 21:19:17 * decause makes sure to restart the service while we're on the topic 21:19:35 ryanlerch: That was exactly what I was thinking, yeah -- each bullet is an article in the series. 21:19:50 I grouped a few together that I thought could be related in one article 21:20:21 like, one article on what a unit file is, where to modify them, and how to tell what they started on your system 21:20:41 +1 to breaking them into shorter articles 21:20:49 unix-style philosophy works for articles too ;) 21:20:54 +1 21:21:14 #agreed ready to break up into a series... we can always add more later in the series 21:21:35 #action stickster Break systemd article into separate pitches to be assigned next week 21:22:00 #info Record and stream your desktop using OBS 21:22:03 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10056&preview=true 21:22:13 (sorry if the link is broken for anyone, just run with it for now) 21:22:47 stickster++ 21:23:00 OBS looks cool! 21:23:15 The article is about screencasting your desktop using https://obsproject.com/ -- building it from source, configuring, testing, and using. But the problem is it requires forbidden ffmpeg 21:23:15 can we even say anything about fusion? 21:23:24 the only thing about this one is that it requires coving rpmfusion stuff 21:23:28 * roshi didn't think we could 21:23:32 it isn't in the repos? 21:23:34 :( 21:23:35 not sure about the legalities of that 21:23:49 * stickster is pretty sure this is no-go for that reason 21:23:55 sadface 21:23:55 -1 21:23:55 FranciscoD_: the pitch says it requires stuff from rpmfusion 21:24:09 that messes it up a bit 21:24:26 a sad -1 21:24:32 should still end up on planet though 21:24:36 yeah, not opposed to writing stuff about non-free stuff, just rpnmfusion poses other issues 21:24:37 I'd have use for that, tbh 21:24:44 so, do we mention that anywhere in the 'contributing to magazine' docs/onboarding? 21:25:10 I think it's just a general "people from Fedora don't talk about rpmfusion" 21:25:10 decause: That's a good idea 21:25:14 if not, we should def add it 21:25:17 decause: not directly, however, this is one of the reasons for doing pitches IMHO 21:25:41 ryanlerch: agreed, if it is just a pitch verus "oh, hey, I already wrote like 1000 words" 21:25:43 Well, it would be nice not to disappoint people :-) 21:26:01 "Please observe " 21:26:06 yeah 21:26:12 hadn't even occured to me 21:26:12 OK, are we agreed to nix this one? 21:26:17 -1 means nix 21:26:20 -1, sadly 21:26:28 * roshi has to look up OBS 21:26:39 https://github.com/jp9000/obs-studio/wiki/Install-Instructions has the sad truth :-( 21:26:56 -1, sorry jflory7 21:27:04 #agreed rejecting this pitch regretfully 21:27:04 yeah sadly -1 from me 21:27:19 No worries, understandable. 21:27:25 but it really should end up on the planet jflory7 ! 21:27:29 #info Run a Minecraft server with Spigot 21:27:32 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10060&preview=true 21:27:33 please do write it on your blog and things :) 21:27:36 I'll definitely look into that. :) 21:27:38 +1 on this one for me 21:27:40 This one, on the other hand, seems totally legit 21:27:48 jflory7: I can help you get hooked up to planet if you need a hand 21:27:49 minecraft++ 21:27:55 * decause thinks that is unlikely, but will help if needed 21:27:57 I didn't detect any legality problem here -- and would like to see this because Minecraft still rocks 21:27:57 as long as the deps arent in rpmfusion :) 21:28:09 +1 minecraft 21:28:21 decause: I'll play around with it later, if I have any questions, I'll poke you later! 21:28:26 jflory7: please do 21:28:30 jflory7: i also have an answer on askfedora about running the minecraft client 21:28:40 might be worth a link to it 21:28:53 i should also write it up as an article, TBH 21:29:02 jflory7: it's really simple - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet?rd=Planet_HowTo - just need a file on your fedorapeople space 21:29:19 +1 minecraft 21:29:23 +1 to this article 21:29:25 This is all FOSS as far as I can tell 21:29:30 jflory7: yeah, ping one of us in #fedora-mktg and we can help you get it set up 21:29:36 stickster: other than minecraft :) 21:29:52 ryanlerch: Right, the tools in this case 21:29:53 although, im not against talking about non-free stuff 21:30:04 But it's *legal* to run Minecraft, so that's not a problem 21:30:09 no infringement like rpmfusion/ffmpeg 21:30:13 stickster: +! 21:30:17 1 even 21:30:22 About running the Minecraft client in Fedora? That's also something I could help write up if it were permitted for the magazine. 21:30:31 * stickster only referring to USA 21:30:54 I can also speak to Spigot a bit more because I spend a lot of time in that community - code base is all open-source and is GPLv3 21:30:58 *nod 21:31:13 #agreed This pitch goes to draft 21:31:25 #action stickster move minecraft/spigot post to draft 21:31:25 jflory7: congrats! 21:31:42 actually ryanlerch you're in the article 21:31:43 #undo 21:31:43 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:31:25 : stickster move minecraft/spigot post to draft 21:31:53 #action ryanlerch move minecraft/spigot post to draft 21:31:57 hee hee 21:32:06 jflory7++ 21:32:13 #info i18n update and zanata migration feedback 21:32:21 Thanks :) 21:32:21 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10117&preview=true 21:32:52 * stickster is -1 on this one -- precisely the type of community-exclusive article we don't want the Magazine to feature 21:33:03 this one seems mildly technical and focused 21:33:23 This would be *perfect* for the community blog site. I would love to hear status of that, but let's save that for outside the meeting because of limited time. 21:33:28 yeah, though I'd like them to be abel to get more coverage for their survey 21:33:38 * decause needs to explore the "community/contributor" blog site situation again 21:33:44 reluctant -1 21:33:46 stickster: i'll follow up with croberts on the community site 21:33:53 ryanlerch: plz cc me too 21:33:55 devel-announce + planet + devel (+ community site) == good combo 21:33:56 I wanna help out 21:34:35 okies -- luke is in the office with me in BNE, i'll talk to him 21:35:10 Anyone else chiming in? FranciscoD_ decause ryanlerch 21:35:24 about this post? community site++ 21:35:36 yeah, i was on the edge for this one -- primarily because we dont have the community site up yet 21:35:57 -1 for magazine, +1 for community site 21:35:59 so, we have a dev portal too, right? will that also have posts like this? 21:36:16 I just feel like this is not going to have any meaning for anyone not involved in our dev/i18n community -- which is most everyone reading our Twitter/G+/Facebook/etc. 21:36:17 FranciscoD_: I think dev portal is a companion to dev assistant? 21:36:33 * decause could have that twisted though 21:37:00 decause: ah? Ok. I'll need to read up on that. I knew gnome upstream asked devassistant to redo the ui or something, but I'm not current on the dev portal yet. 21:37:03 I think Hubs could do some good in this use case too. But let's stay focused on Magazine here, we have limited time and more to do in this meetingl 21:37:15 ++ 21:37:24 stickster: agreed 21:37:26 -1 from me on this one -- i'll talk to luke 21:37:32 ryanlerch: OK 21:37:39 #agreed Pass on the i18n article 21:37:57 i have been talking to him already about it, but asked him to pitch so we could have this discussion :) 21:37:59 #action ryanlerch trash pitch and follow up with author ASAP on alternatives 21:38:29 #info Celebrating Software Freedom Day 2015 21:38:31 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10153&preview=true 21:38:52 I like the idea of a SFD post, it has some mass appeal. decause is authoring, FWIW 21:39:01 decause: You're going to finish this one, right? ;-) 21:39:05 stickster: yes :) 21:39:15 +1 21:39:18 +1 21:39:51 +1 21:40:00 +1 21:40:10 if I'm allowed, +1 :P 21:40:20 It wasn't quite as easy to tell where this one was going vs. an event report, but I trust decause to make it relevant to folks who aren't contributors 21:40:23 * decause should probably abstain ;) 21:40:25 decause: anyone here gets a vote :) 21:40:26 haha 21:40:31 #agreed Move this to draft 21:40:37 #action stickster Move SFD 2015 post to draft 21:40:47 and... done :-) 21:41:02 #topic Drafts unfinished 21:41:04 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post&orderby=date&order=asc 21:41:16 #info Eclipse 'mars' post 21:41:22 http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9851&preview=true 21:41:26 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9851&preview=true 21:42:00 still waiting on a response from the author -- can we keep this one as a draft for a bit still? 21:42:01 stickster: I'm pretty sure meetbot auto #links any link - you don't have to do it twice I don't think 21:42:09 thanks roshi 21:42:10 #undo 21:42:10 Removing item from minutes: 21:42:27 ryanlerch: I think so 21:42:37 +1 to sitting on it until we hear back 21:42:52 roshi: but the fedmsg may not get published if you don't explicitly #link? 21:42:59 threebean would know the answer to that 21:43:02 likely 21:43:09 It's not time sensitive -- let's follow up again next time. If no response by next week, we might want to drop it so we don't thrash on it weekly 21:43:37 there's a fedmsg for every #link? That seems spammy 21:43:38 awesome -- will follow up again this week 21:43:55 roshi: fedmsg is spammy :) 21:44:03 roshi: it's only spammy if you subscribe to notifications for that 21:44:06 #info Give this another week, then we'll reconsider dropping for the time being 21:44:09 * decause does, because metrics 21:44:22 #info Work sprints on Workstation 21:44:24 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9991&preview=true 21:44:49 yeah, I'm subscribed to that too - and it double posted that link, so I think fedmsg picks it up even w/o #link 21:44:57 stickster: this is the pomodoro one, right? 21:45:00 ha, this is my article that moved up to draft status last week. I need to claim a date for this. What if I promise a draft by next Thursday 2015-Oct-01 21:45:03 yeah 21:45:18 +1 to this 21:45:22 FranciscoD_: did your tasks / managfing time article cover any of this a while back? 21:45:34 might be worth linking to that post in this one too 21:45:39 extra points if there can be a mention of a good pomodoro for those of us that don't run gnome 21:45:53 I don't know what pomodoro is, so probably not :D 21:46:10 roshi: noted in the pitch, thanks! 21:46:30 (I hadn't covered techniques and things that much - just the tools) 21:46:41 it's a tomato timer <- ryanlerch 21:46:48 er, FranciscoD_ 21:46:53 OK, so draft by Thursday, who will edit and when do we publish this? 21:47:01 I can edit 21:47:04 just ping when done 21:47:17 #info roshi will edit 21:47:35 ryanlerch: I'll try my hand at another graphic and ping you for review/polish 21:47:51 stickster: awesome 21:48:05 stickster: this is the post that might be worth crosslining to 21:48:05 #action stickster finish draft by Thu 2015-Oct-01, alert roshi for editing, do graphic for ryanlerch review 21:48:07 http://fedoramagazine.org/tracking-your-time-and-tasks-on-fedora/ 21:48:38 ryanlerch: saved, thanks! 21:48:58 #info using systemd in Fedora 21:49:03 #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10001&preview=true 21:49:53 Hmm, this is the revived article Ashutosh did but it's still not the thing we were looking for -- I think Ashutosh just put this in prematurely but with good intentions 21:50:18 He understands we are trying to do a curated series, and I would like to give him an assignment of one of the pitches coming out of the series, if you guys agree 21:50:19 can we fit it into the series? 21:50:29 +1 to that 21:50:34 stickster: sounds like a great plan 21:50:43 makes sense 21:50:46 His coverage is more like 'service blah start' -> 'systemctl start blah' which I think most of our audience is past at this point 21:50:47 +1 adding to series 21:51:35 The goal of the series was to go just another foot-and-a-half deeper at a time for better understanding, as opposed to another Cheatsheet article 21:51:56 stickster: the "what is systemd" might also be a good post too 21:52:03 We already have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet -- and of course can link to it 21:52:09 yeah 21:52:24 most systemd stuff assumes you know what init is 21:52:50 ryanlerch: I see your point. Maybe we should make this "article 0" of the series 21:52:51 it might be good to have a good entry point to the concepts 21:53:10 and at the tail end, say this is where we start up a series of deeper systemd investigation for people who want to understand more 21:53:32 ack 21:53:45 ryanlerch: Do you want to take up editing of this one? The easy concepts seem to be there, just needs a bit more text and we could probably publish it next week 21:54:05 sounds like a good idea to me 21:54:15 stickster: okies --- will do this one -- might need a tech review though -- im not much of a systemd perosn 21:54:20 roshi: cool, that's probably a good compromise and gets us into the series 21:54:34 yeah 21:54:43 for the series, are we thinking weekly articles? 21:54:43 roshi: want to help with tech review? 21:54:48 roshi: yeah, roughly 21:55:15 sure, I can help with that - but I'm not systemd expert 21:55:26 roshi: For this article, you needn't be -- it's very basic 21:55:29 if I see something I don't know about, I'll find a 2nd opinion :p 21:55:34 perfect 21:55:48 #action ryanlerch edit systemd intro article & do a better graphic 21:55:52 wow, my grammar on that last bit was astounding :p 21:55:56 #action roshi provide technical edit help for systemd intro article 21:56:03 stickster: nice work on the fpaste graphics too btw 21:56:05 ryanlerch: just ping me when it's ready 21:56:11 yeah, that was great 21:56:22 ryanlerch: meh, i'm a simple grasshopper 21:56:38 So we also need to set a publication date for this 21:56:53 Can we try to put this one out Wed 2015-Sep-30? 21:57:36 * stickster trying to keep cadence up 21:57:48 stickster: yeah lets aim for that? 21:57:59 s/?/!/ 21:58:08 cool 21:58:18 #action ryanlerch publish Wednesday 2015-Sep-30 21:58:36 #info Stellarium article -- still waiting for draft 21:58:45 I'm willing to give this one another week because it's such a cool app 21:59:08 the eclipse is coming, right? 21:59:12 yeah, me too 21:59:12 this one is very timely 21:59:23 when is that, which day? 21:59:27 * decause searches 21:59:29 the eclipse one is a different article i think decause 21:59:30 I think the 27th? 21:59:51 27th, yeah 21:59:51 haha no, like an actual *eclipse* 21:59:59 XD 22:00:00 yes 22:00:02 hehe 22:00:03 sorry 22:00:14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2015_lunar_eclipse 22:00:19 supermoon+eclipse 22:01:06 OK, guys, gotta wrap it up. We don't have much lined up for next week, that's a litlte disappointing 22:01:07 there is def potential for SEO-ness here 22:01:23 stickster: I can have SFD ready for next week, but would prefer after Tuesday if possible 22:01:26 stickster: i'm going to do the firefox 41 post too 22:01:32 budget season and all 22:01:36 ryanlerch: That would be cool, it would give us something 22:01:43 i can take over the stellairum one 22:01:52 and try to get it out next week 22:01:58 I also have a 'decause goes to FUDCon LATAM' report, but wasnt' sure if that was too specific 22:02:02 Thanks ryanlerch, sorry this is falling on you 22:02:08 decause: Too specific for Mag IMHO 22:02:11 stickster: no worries! 22:02:13 stickster: nod nod nod 22:02:19 that is why I didn't post a pitch already 22:02:23 thanks for confirmation 22:02:29 #action ryanlerch take over stellarium article 22:02:34 OK, I'm closing up shop guys 22:02:39 okies! 22:02:44 Does someone want to take over chair and do more review? 22:02:45 byebye all 22:02:59 otherwise we're outtie and we'll resolve pending reviews on list or IRC 22:03:11 list sounds good 22:03:27 works for me 22:03:28 +1 list 22:03:36 * roshi gets back into coding mode 22:03:38 OK, it's just the anitya article, already decided :-) 22:03:39 stickster++ 22:03:41 #endmeeting