21:00:56 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Magazine editorial board
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21:01:05 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
21:01:09 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:01:11 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:02:44 * ryanlerch is here?
21:02:52 <ryanlerch> .jello
21:02:57 <ryanlerch> .hello
21:02:57 <zodbot> ryanlerch: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
21:03:16 <stickster> ha
21:03:33 <stickster> You're here but you're smooshy
21:03:38 <ryanlerch> lol
21:03:43 <ryanlerch> yeah, pre-coffeee
21:03:50 <ryanlerch> :(
21:03:51 <stickster> ryanlerch: There needs to be a "jello" zodbot command for "I'm here but not really paying attention"
21:04:05 <ryanlerch> threebean ^^^^
21:04:22 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
21:04:23 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
21:04:46 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch jflory7
21:04:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 ryanlerch stickster
21:04:55 <stickster> Let's get going
21:05:09 <stickster> #topic Agenda reminder
21:05:16 <stickster> #link ttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine/Editorial_meetings
21:05:20 <stickster> #undo
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21:05:21 <stickster> Argh
21:05:24 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine/Editorial_meetings
21:05:48 <stickster> Reminder... let's focus on each section so we can get done on time, maybe even have open floor
21:05:59 <stickster> #topic Retrospective for the week (5 min)
21:06:10 <stickster> ryanlerch: want to take this one? Go!
21:06:22 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/index.php?page=calendar
21:08:19 <stickster> Hm, maybe Ryan is getting that coffee :-)
21:08:21 <ryanlerch> for sure!
21:08:36 <ryanlerch> sorry was just responding to that fedora.cz email on the list
21:09:01 * jflory7 is waiting to be authenticated in Ipsilon
21:09:28 <ryanlerch> so this week was pretty solid -- friday we had matts 5tftw, and the Pomodoro article
21:09:52 <ryanlerch> Tuesday was jflory7 's spigot tutorial
21:10:18 <ryanlerch> Wednesday i pushed out the Zanata article, which in the end suited the magazine pretty well
21:10:27 <stickster> Yeah, the rewrite of this was quite a bit improved!
21:10:32 <ryanlerch> IMO it was framed pretty good for the magazine audience
21:10:44 <ryanlerch> and last night, i pushed out the stellarium article
21:10:52 <stickster> I forgot to share it to FB but juhp did it, I've also copied to another group as well
21:10:58 <stickster> Excellent!
21:11:06 <cydrobolt> o/
21:11:32 <cydrobolt> .hello cydrobolt
21:11:33 <zodbot> cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' <summermontreal@gmail.com>
21:11:55 <ryanlerch> hi cydrobolt
21:11:58 <cydrobolt> hey ryanlerch
21:12:22 <stickster> OK, so let's keep rolling here.
21:12:43 <stickster> #info We have a lot of pitches and drafts in process right now
21:12:44 <ryanlerch> jflory7: the spigot article was pretty well recieved
21:13:06 <jflory7> Awesome! I was looking at the statistics for it, but I wasn't sure what was on-par or "normal".
21:13:09 <stickster> #info So far, on track for a solid week of stats this week... well done to all writers :-)
21:13:13 <ryanlerch> i expected the "but but its not free software" comments :)
21:13:17 <ryanlerch> you only got a few :)
21:13:18 <jflory7> Same, hahah
21:14:07 <stickster> jflory7: Getting a few thousand hits is great :-) http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=post&post=10060
21:14:17 <stickster> I expect this one will keep delivering over time for a while
21:14:31 <stickster> ryanlerch: Anything else to highlight before we move on? There's a lot in the agenda today
21:14:47 <ryanlerch> and it will be an aticle with forever google power
21:15:02 <stickster> exactly
21:15:22 <jflory7> I thought so too, those kinds of articles seem to have a long life, in my experiences with Minecraft sort of stuff.
21:15:25 <stickster> jflory7: You're already on the front page of Google hits for 'fedora minecraft'
21:16:09 <jflory7> Mission accomplished. :)
21:16:15 <stickster> \o/
21:16:47 <jflory7> I suppose shall we move on through the agenda?
21:16:47 <stickster> OK, time to move on
21:16:52 <stickster> #topic Pitch votes
21:16:57 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&orderby=date&order=asc
21:17:25 <stickster> #info Eclipse mars -- no update in the article to date
21:17:33 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=9851&preview=true
21:18:31 <stickster> I'm thinking it's time to push this one off the list until mbooth has time to do it
21:18:49 <jflory7> Seeing the date, might be for the best for now.
21:18:58 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
21:19:01 <jflory7> (Also, should we have access to view the previews? I get 404'd)
21:19:06 <ryanlerch> i reached out to him about it initalially
21:19:14 <ryanlerch> so not a big loss
21:19:22 <stickster> jflory7: you may be missing a permission, ryanlerch -- can you help?
21:19:46 <ryanlerch> i think we should promote jflory7 to editor status
21:19:47 <stickster> ryanlerch: What do you think about a "holding pen" where we put pitches we don't want to look at weekly, like a "shelf"
21:19:52 <stickster> ryanlerch: +1 that
21:19:58 <stickster> jflory7: You up for it?
21:20:16 <jflory7> I am definitely glad to help as an editor! :)
21:20:25 <stickster> #agreed promote jflory7 to editor!
21:20:42 <jflory7> +1 for the holding pen idea
21:21:33 <ryanlerch> Holding pen status should be available there now
21:21:46 <stickster> ryanlerch: Awesome. I think I just duped you, will remove mine :-)
21:22:01 <ryanlerch> jflory7: after the meeting i can give you the rundown on how we clean the spam queue too
21:22:17 <jflory7> Okay, sounds good.
21:22:19 <ryanlerch> there are a few false not-spams that get through
21:23:02 <stickster> #agreed Moved Eclipse post to holding pen
21:23:23 <stickster> #info systemd series, parts 1-6 -- these are seeking authors, email is out to list
21:23:39 <stickster> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2015-October/018037.html
21:23:57 <stickster> and we already have a nibble!
21:23:59 <ryanlerch> i also need to come up with an image series for these
21:24:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: A template should work, right? That way you don't have to do so much work
21:24:29 * stickster would be happy to use that for his, hint hint :-D
21:24:43 <stickster> #action stickster respond to Bryan on list to work out details
21:24:52 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, that is what i was thinking
21:24:59 <ryanlerch> i just need to make the template
21:25:15 <ryanlerch> :)
21:25:16 <stickster> #action ryanlerch Make a systemd series featured image template
21:25:27 <stickster> now it's definitely going to happen, it says #action
21:26:10 <stickster> #info OpenVPN article, another awesome idea from jflory7
21:26:24 <ryanlerch> oooh, havent seen that one
21:26:29 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10253&preview=true
21:27:08 <stickster> jflory7: We would probably want the article to use openvpn from Fedora repos if possible
21:27:17 <stickster> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Openvpn
21:27:51 <jflory7> Yeah, someone on the mailing list replied saying that would likely be the case. It should still be a feature-complete article with the package available in the repos.
21:28:06 <stickster> ^ That link might be helpful -- looks like setup for a server and a client -- I might also recommend instructions for using NetworkManager in Fedora Workstation as a client
21:28:12 <ryanlerch> jflory7: this one might be good too at the beginning to cover a breif what is a VPN
21:28:27 <jflory7> If you look to the bottom, I made a note about possibly changing the title, because "Tunnel your browsing" sounds weird to me. I was thinking about it, maybe "Protect your privacy" would be better?
21:28:37 <stickster> jflory7: That's a great suggestion
21:28:40 <jflory7> I was thinking I would use the wiki article as a template for some parts of the article as well.
21:28:49 <jflory7> And an intro would be good, I agree
21:28:57 <stickster> I think it's a foregone conclusion, this is a fabulous idea for an article
21:29:02 <ryanlerch> yeah, maybe this could be two articles -- the first on how to set up a VPN with workstation
21:29:16 <jflory7> And the other with a server - that would be cool!
21:29:27 <stickster> #agreed This pitch is accepted as one, or multiple, articles -- whichever works best
21:29:34 <ryanlerch> and you can link back to your first in the second :)
21:29:40 <ryanlerch> jflory7 is on fire!
21:29:48 <stickster> ryanlerch: you're in there, go ahead an move it to Draft status
21:29:52 <jflory7> :)
21:30:12 <stickster> HOLY MOLEY ANOTHER SURE-FIRE WINNER COMING UP...
21:30:26 <stickster> #info Upgrade your Workstation from F22 to F23 -- go go jflory7!!!
21:30:29 <stickster> jflory7++
21:30:30 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for jflory7 changed to 4 (for the f22 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:30:43 <ryanlerch> jflory7++
21:30:43 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for jflory7 changed to 5 (for the f22 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:30:51 <stickster> jflory7: I hope you have time for all these, we can't stop accepting them!!
21:31:01 <jflory7> Figured that would be a great article! ;)
21:31:13 <jflory7> OpenVPN might take longer, system upgrade one should be easy
21:31:13 <stickster> This one you have some time, though... we'd want to publish this around the same day as the F23 release I think -- right ryanlerch?
21:31:18 <ryanlerch> jflory7: have you seen the past upgrading ones i have done?
21:31:24 <jflory7> Yeah, I thought it would be best to time it close to release
21:31:33 <jflory7> I have not, I can refer to those as a reference for sure.
21:31:51 <ryanlerch> of course its a little different this time around
21:31:53 <ryanlerch> :)
21:32:05 <jflory7> Mhmm.
21:32:25 <ryanlerch> upgrades being done with DNF now rather than fedup
21:32:30 <stickster> #agreed Accepted for sure -- moved to Draft status
21:32:54 <ryanlerch> +1
21:33:27 <stickster> #info G11n Test Days report
21:33:28 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10282&preview=true
21:34:39 <jflory7> Seems like a good idea to me.
21:35:01 <stickster> This fits in with our history of publishing Test Days for now, so I'm OK with it -- but ultimately I would like to see these going out in the community site which we'd reference from a sidebar or something on the F Mag
21:35:03 <ryanlerch> hmmm, not sure about this one
21:35:11 <stickster> +0 from me
21:35:17 <ryanlerch> -1 from me
21:35:35 <jflory7> Ah, I see.
21:35:42 <stickster> It's full of things like stats and bug report #s. I think we turned down an article from roshi like this in the past
21:36:03 <stickster> At the same time, I feel like we are running behind in giving people an alternative so we're not just locking them out of publicity
21:36:16 <ryanlerch> okies, lets do it
21:36:23 <ryanlerch> it wont hurt too much :)
21:36:31 <ryanlerch> might need to clean it up though
21:36:55 <jflory7> Perhaps something to consider for a longer-term goal farther down the line to find a good place to migrate those types of articles.
21:37:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: don't get me wrong, I'm not hot on it, and it needs editing love. But without an add'l venue yet, I guess we can err on the side of hospitality
21:37:36 <ryanlerch> stickster: i concur
21:37:38 <stickster> jflory7: We are trying to get a partner community blog site working -- kind of like you see "news network" sites elsewhere
21:37:50 * stickster wishes croberts were around and could speak to that
21:38:28 <jflory7> Oh, yeah, that would be awesome!
21:38:32 <stickster> ryanlerch: I think I saw that you had given croberts the theme stuff he needed, right? Did he set any ETA for the site to be up for testing?
21:39:03 <stickster> #agreed Moved G11n article to draft
21:39:16 <ryanlerch> stickster: havent heard anything back yet
21:39:28 <ryanlerch> does puiterwijk know anything about it?
21:39:46 <puiterwijk> Reading back
21:39:55 <ryanlerch> just the community blog :)
21:40:01 <stickster> ryanlerch: he answered last week that he gave out access... puiterwijk, I did try ssh'ing in, but I couldn't access it.
21:40:07 <stickster> not sure what I did wrong
21:40:10 <ryanlerch> ah okies
21:40:20 <puiterwijk> stickster: oh, okay. Please ping me then and we can figure it out
21:40:31 <stickster> puiterwijk: It's late your time, I'll be happy to do this tomorrow with you :-)
21:40:41 <puiterwijk> stickster: don't worry, just ping me whenever you have time :)
21:40:49 <stickster> sure thing, and thank you as always puiterwijk  :-)
21:41:01 <ryanlerch> puiterwijk++
21:41:01 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for puiterwijk changed to 29 (for the f22 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:41:01 * stickster notes, Patrick already helped him with a bunch of other things today :-D
21:41:05 * puiterwijk says the same as I say to anyone else: never worry about my local time, just ask me when you think of your question, and I'l lsee what I can do for you
21:41:10 <stickster> I have no more cookies to give :-D
21:41:42 <stickster> Let's move to a couple drafts, so we are set up for publishing next week, sound good?
21:41:53 <ryanlerch> stickster: awesome
21:41:54 <stickster> #topic Drafts unfinished
21:42:05 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post&orderby=date&order=asc
21:42:39 <stickster> I'm going to volunteer to get Ankur's draft ready for publishing
21:43:03 <stickster> #info Github pages with pelican for blogging -- looks ready for editorial pass + publishing
21:43:07 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10186&preview=true
21:43:45 <stickster> #action stickster edit Pelican article for publication
21:43:50 <ryanlerch> yeah, it needs an intro -- probably covering what pelican is, and maybe what github pages is
21:44:03 <ryanlerch> it also needs a featured image
21:44:11 <stickster> ryanlerch: Certainly, and I'll add those -- very good points. I was also thinking of doing the image, with of course a pelican :-)
21:44:47 <stickster> Wow, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/American_White_Pelican.jpg
21:45:03 <stickster> I love that picture! Now I *have* to do it :-D
21:45:11 <ryanlerch> stickster: perfect!
21:45:33 <stickster> And I'll use your recommended fonts from other images to do a caption
21:46:13 <stickster> #info systemd part 0 (ryanlerch writing)
21:46:18 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10202&preview=true
21:46:40 <stickster> When we kick this one off, we're committed to the series, I think  :-)
21:47:46 <jflory7> I think it will be a fantastic series for beginners. Can likely serve as a good set of introductions to systemd for anyone in the future.
21:48:07 <stickster> *nod. We're not covering plain old cheatsheet stuff, but will link there for each article I think
21:48:17 <stickster> and also cross-link the series as we go
21:50:25 <ryanlerch> we might also be able to add some logic in the theme to track a series in the sidebar too
21:50:31 <ryanlerch> let me look into that
21:50:31 <stickster> ryanlerch: That's a neat idea
21:50:44 <stickster> ryanlerch: Are you going to finish this one for next week, you think?
21:51:08 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah -- could do with someone else to have a look and edit :)
21:51:38 <ryanlerch> and maybe a tech review -- i'm kinda in the dark about systemd, and init systems
21:51:46 <stickster> We gave jflory7 a lot of work already -- I can do this
21:52:05 <stickster> #action stickster tech review the article ASAP (Friday 2015-Oct-09)
21:52:36 <jflory7> If I knew more, I'd be happy to edit for content, but I'd be happy to do normal proofreads if needed.
21:52:50 <stickster> jflory7: No worries, we'll be dragging you in for editing soon enough :-D
21:53:01 <jflory7> Heheh - sounds good to me.
21:53:04 <stickster> jflory7: We truly appreciate the great ideas and the writing you're up for!
21:53:20 <jflory7> I am more than happy to help!!
21:53:34 <stickster> Hm, the Flock wrap-up post is still out here as draft
21:54:00 <ryanlerch> i think this one is a little late now
21:54:14 <stickster> That was going to be a "wrapper" to another article
21:55:12 <stickster> #info Flock post still waiting -- this was supposed to be a wrapper -- waiting for decause?
21:55:40 <jflory7> Worst case scenario, can probably be salvaged as a Planet post?
21:56:29 <jflory7> I haven't read that yet, but I might be able to help with that too to help expedite it - will read it first though now
21:56:32 <stickster> Yeah, we can let this sit for a moment
21:56:41 <ryanlerch> holding pen?
21:56:58 <stickster> or jflory7, feel free to take that on as a "quick blurb" article we could throw onto the feed tomorrow or Monday
21:57:46 <stickster> #action jflory7 see if he can do 'quick blurb' take on Flock post, and we could do it as a filler publication on Fri or Mon
21:58:07 <stickster> #info SFD 2015 post also on decause plate -- stickster met with him on Friday to help him focus it more clearly, and he's done some update on it
21:58:20 <stickster> it doesn't seem to have gone the way I described, though
21:58:37 <jflory7> Oh, it's empty. Hmmm, that's actually something I could try to tackle tonight, albeit shorter than normal. I can try to do a short blurb summary for it
21:59:08 <stickster> jflory7: If you can find decause online you can ask him where the original trip report is. We were going to just have a short, one or two paragraph pointer to that.
21:59:15 <stickster> basically crosslinking some traffic to the other article.
21:59:50 <jflory7> I see. I think he's normally in the same room as me on Tuesday and Thursday evenings anyways, I'll see if I can get in touch with him.
22:00:03 <stickster> okey dokey jflory7, I didn't realize you were at RIT!
22:00:17 <stickster> or in that area, at least
22:00:26 <jflory7> Yep - I'm currently a student here :)
22:00:35 <stickster> #action stickster Follow up with decause on SFD 2015 article editing
22:01:03 <stickster> ryanlerch: If you think we can get Pelican + systemd part 0 out next week, plus maybe this Flock blurb, that would be a decent week
22:01:25 <ryanlerch> i might also do one about the new release of corebird that is now on fedora
22:01:26 <stickster> I'm on editing duty, gonna do some after dinner tonight.
22:01:31 <stickster> ryanlerch: Nice! +1
22:01:32 <ryanlerch> i am the package maintatiner
22:01:43 <jflory7> I'm also going to work on the Flock article tonight
22:01:53 <stickster> jflory7: Awesome
22:01:58 <stickster> OK guys, that sounds like a plan!
22:01:59 <ryanlerch> also, was thinking of doing a qucik howto on setting up a webserver on fedora
22:02:24 <ryanlerch> and i have a few other newsy items that might filter through too
22:02:37 <stickster> all sounds good to e
22:02:45 <jflory7> Ooh, yeah, I think that would be awesome - I think definitely a long life for that
22:02:54 <stickster> *me, even. For sure!
22:02:59 <stickster> Anything else before we bid adieu for the evening/morning?
22:03:10 <ryanlerch> jflory7: keep an eye out too for anything newsy that might fit the magazine too
22:03:17 <jflory7> Definitely will do.
22:03:22 <jflory7> One question about the Flock article, though-
22:03:30 <stickster> sure!
22:03:41 <ryanlerch> would love to padd out the feed with more of that too
22:03:55 <jflory7> If I can't get in touch with Remy since he's away, if I end up writing something short and sweet, should it be more of like a "reporting" sort of perspective or a general overview?
22:03:58 <jflory7> If that makes sense.
22:04:36 <stickster> jflory7: Really, we just want to get the URL for his original article published elsewhere, and do a brief few sentences summarizing that -- that becomes the whole article, if that makes sense?
22:04:51 <jflory7> Perfect -- can do.
22:04:55 <jflory7> Thanks.
22:05:04 <stickster> You might block quote a portion that's especially interesting or energizing
22:05:13 <stickster> we're kind of clickbaiting here :-D
22:05:39 <jflory7> Hahah - I would suppose that's where the name of the badge came from anyways? ;)
22:05:43 <stickster> ha
22:05:47 <jflory7> Anyways, that's all I have for tonight
22:05:54 <ryanlerch> jflory7: there is a rochester featured image that you can use too
22:05:57 <stickster> Awesome, thanks for pitching in, jflory7!
22:06:18 <ryanlerch> jflory7: i have access to grant the clickbait badges, but not the extra extra one
22:06:28 <ryanlerch> so you got the first clickbait badge
22:06:28 <stickster> ryanlerch: One more idea for you -- if we want short newsie things in the feed, what about a generic featured image with a "newsie" kid that people can grab & go?
22:06:33 <jflory7> ryanlerch: For Flockester - I remember that one. That would be a good image
22:06:42 <jflory7> stickster: No problem, really glad to help out with the Magazine!
22:06:51 <ryanlerch> newsie?
22:07:17 <stickster> ryanlerch: http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2012/05/wwow_jeff-kurtti_newsies_cast_447.jpg
22:07:43 <ryanlerch> ah
22:07:58 <ryanlerch> mo has an image that she uses
22:08:18 <stickster> if there's something already out there to use... even better!
22:08:39 <ryanlerch> oh no, that was me acutally
22:08:59 <stickster> OK, I'm out of time, closing meeting if that's OK with you guys
22:09:08 <jflory7> +1
22:09:36 <stickster> #endmeeting