22:00:03 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 22:00:03 Meeting started Thu Dec 17 22:00:03 2015 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 22:00:07 #meetingname magazine 22:00:07 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 22:00:12 #topic Roll call 22:00:14 .hello decause 22:00:14 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 22:00:18 .hello pfrields 22:00:20 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 22:00:47 .hello jflory7 22:00:48 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 22:01:00 .hello iambryan 22:01:02 iambryan: iambryan 'Bryan Sutherland' 22:02:06 * stickster waits another minute or so for stragglers 22:02:15 * jflory7 nods 22:02:46 .hellomynameis jzb 22:02:47 jzb: jzb 'Joe Brockmeier' 22:03:28 #chair decause jflory7 iambryan jzb 22:03:28 Current chairs: decause iambryan jflory7 jzb stickster 22:04:27 #topic Retrospective 22:05:26 OK, first off, mad props to jflory7 for filling in with the Mumble story since I managed to fumble on the systemd post thanks to all the gastric mess 22:05:39 #info Thanks jflory7 for mumble post fill-in! 22:05:51 stickster: No worries, it happens - hope you get to feeling better soon before the holidays officially begin :) 22:06:03 jflory7++ 22:06:10 iambryan: Karma for jflory7 changed to 18 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:06:10 I spoke to ryanlerch yesterday and he was going to work on nuntius post for tomorrow 22:06:17 Finally feeling better for real today 22:06:40 Glad to hear it :) 22:06:44 And sounds good about nuntius. 22:06:46 jflory7: +1 to that 22:06:50 jflory7: I think the Mumble story didn't get any social media, though, did it? 22:06:59 (stickster feeling better, I mean) 22:07:14 stickster: I don't believe so. I hit Reddit with it, but I don't think the official channels got word of it 22:07:29 * stickster can remedy that, jflory7, if you want to take over for a moment here 22:07:38 * jflory7 nods 22:07:54 We should probably move ahead and look at what's going to fill up the next two weeks... starting with list from last week's minutes 22:07:59 So, nuntius will be the last article to wrap up this week 22:08:04 Yeah, had that schedule pulled up now 22:08:37 #info Schedule decided on from last week: Mon Dec 21 - Picard; Wed Dec 23 - Cinnamon; Thu Dec 24 - Varnish 22:09:02 Picard can definitely be done by Monday. I was planning on having it finished tonight 22:09:12 I'm also working on the Cinnamon article with Kohane 22:09:22 Hoping to also have that one polished and scheduled tonight 22:09:23 jflory7: not to backseat drive, but... 22:09:35 jflory7: publishing on the 24th? 22:09:44 might not get a ton of attention? 22:10:24 .hello iambryan 21, 22 and 23rd? 22:10:24 iambryan: Sorry, but you don't exist 22:10:33 iambryan 21, 22 and 23rd? 22:10:39 jzb: I think we were thinking that it might get more attention with folks being at home, but in retrospect, Christmas Eve might not be the best publication date. :) 22:10:56 puiterwijk: Any news on the Varnish article? 22:11:08 jflory7: yeah. I mean, I get publishing during the holiday break, but I'd avoid the 24th, 25th, and 31st/1st. 22:11:14 * jflory7 nods 22:11:27 * decause thinks that sounds reasonable 22:11:29 We could have Varnish go out on the following Monday to start the next week off with a bang 22:11:31 * stickster returns with media all social'ed and whatnot 22:11:36 stickster++ 22:11:39 stickster++ 22:12:21 So, do we want to officially push Varnish into the following Monday? 22:12:31 * stickster would be OK with that 22:12:34 +1 22:12:39 oops, +1 22:12:43 #agree Move Varnish from Thu Dec. 24 to Mon Dec. 28 22:12:58 look puiterwijk, more time. Aren't you sysadmins always looking for that? 22:13:09 :P 22:13:21 I also know cprofitt has two HDYF articles on deck - one of which is actually ready, with nirik, come to think of it 22:13:36 That would be easy-peasy publish for the following Wednesday 22:13:39 I also have an idea for an article regarding openid as I said 22:13:48 jflory7: +10! 22:14:08 (new template) 22:14:12 jflory7: I would love to just have some easy-push things for Dec 28 - Dec 30 22:14:32 jflory7: I think we agreed you'd look at it around the 20th, right? (the varnish article) 22:14:37 jflory7: So +1 on varnish, HDYF nirik, HDYF 22:14:59 * decause raises hand for elections article question when we can get to it 22:15:01 I see: Dec. 28, Varnish; Dec. 30, HDYF nirik, and end publishing that week 22:15:03 puiterwijk: Yeah, we're simply talking about push date at this point 22:15:09 Hm, we have the wrong topic 22:15:16 Thurs. is Dec. 31, Friday is Jan. 1. 22:15:17 #topic Next two weeks scheduling 22:15:33 jflory7: I'd do 28, 29, 30 22:15:40 ^^ Would also like to get decause's article out either tomorrow or early early next week 22:15:42 * jflory7 nods 22:15:50 We *can* expect plenty of readers looking at their shiny new devices after Xmas 22:15:54 puiterwijk: Yeah, 20th sounds right to me. :) 22:16:27 are there any really nifty new devices out that work with or on or whatever Fedora? 22:16:31 So, really quick, here's a really succinct overview of what I have in mind for the rest of the month with publishing: 22:16:34 Okay. Do we have a moment anywhere in the next week or two for the new theme article? As I'd like to get that out as soon as possible, to give people the most time to absorb and notice it 22:16:43 * puiterwijk awaits the overview 22:17:38 jzb: This bottle of bourbon 22:17:58 Dec. 18, nuntius / Elections news (decause); Dec. 21, Picard / Elections news (depends on turnaround + image); Dec. 23, Cinnamon; Dec. 28, Varnish; Dec. 29, HDYF; Dec. 30, Fedora Security Lab article (?) 22:18:12 "10 Holiday Drinks that Go Great with Fedora" 22:18:22 "You won't believe #5" 22:18:33 The Security Lab article needs an initial edit, but there's plenty of time until then and I can definitely work with the original author on that. 22:18:35 "Paul Frields drank 5 glasses of Egg Nog, you won't believe what happened next" 22:18:41 "Trust us on #8" 22:18:44 Heheh 22:19:06 jflory7: I can edit one or two things over break if need be. 22:19:08 * iambryan shudders at the thought of egg nog 22:19:44 jflory7: This schedule you just published would work fine. If we had the extra HDYF lined up for ~Jan 4 or 5, that would be great 22:20:13 I don't know what the security lab article is -- who's doing that, and is it ready for an editor to review? 22:20:27 jzb: If anything, maybe the Varnish article since I'm super familiar with that side of things, but I know puiterwijk is pretty savvy with content too. :) 22:20:38 That one came up on the list 22:20:42 stickster: Yeah, I definitely think the other one cproffit is working on would be ready by then 22:20:52 stickster: Security Lab is davinia, a new writer 22:20:56 .fasinfo davinia 22:20:57 jflory7: User "davinia" doesn't exist 22:20:58 jflory7: you are or aren't familiar? 22:21:11 jzb: I'm not personally familiar with the topic. :) 22:21:22 jflory7: you said "I'm super familiar" :-) 22:21:28 .fasinfo dasipar 22:21:28 jflory7: User: dasipar, Name: Davinia Siles, email: daviniasiles@gmail.com, Creation: 2015-10-14, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: es, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 22:21:31 jflory7: Unapproved Groups: magazine 22:21:35 jflory7: Approved Groups: marketing cla_done cla_fpca 22:21:36 Notice the missing "not" :-) 22:21:44 Whoops, I think I'm typing faster than I'm thinking, puiterwijk :) 22:21:51 I see! 22:22:18 jflory7: put me down for Varnish, then. 22:22:23 Hello! 22:22:46 .hello Kohane 22:22:49 iambryan: Sorry, but you don't exist 22:22:53 jflory7: but as said: would there anywhere this year be an option for the theme? I'd say preferably soon. (I can finish that one tonight as it's pretty low on content and more heavy on screenshots). 22:23:17 Davinia did share her article with the list, and it looks pretty complete as-is. It needs some editing + organization love, but otherwise, it appears to be a short, brief overview of what it is and some of the tools available. On the list, it also seemed like someone who works with that spin was interested in reviewing too. 22:23:20 jzb: Noted :) 22:23:23 (I'm planning on bringing the new theme live in the first two weeks of the new year) 22:23:47 puiterwijk: Ooh, right, OpenID! I would think that could go out even next Tuesday if it were ready, that day is wide open 22:23:53 Oh oh, new year 22:24:04 jflory7: That's cool. If you're able to bring that into the mix, it looks like the image is already done -- so +1 22:24:18 Yeah, all the better, it could definitely help build the schedule for that following week. 22:24:28 .hello lailah 22:24:29 jflory7: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 22:24:30 .hello lailah 22:24:32 Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 22:24:34 There you go, Kohane :) 22:24:36 Whoops! 22:24:38 jflory7: sure. As said, I can finish it tonight (well, tonight US time... for me it's fast moving towards "early tomorrow") 22:24:55 Hi Kohane 22:25:04 Welcome Kohane :) 22:25:14 puiterwijk: You mean for the OpenID article, right? 22:25:19 jflory7: yeah 22:25:29 If so, then no major rush right now, I would think, if you want it to go out over the New Year. 22:25:40 jflory7: no, I want to get it out way before 22:25:46 Hi all! Thanks! 22:25:47 Oh, so like next week then? 22:25:56 Well, I'm doubting. 22:26:15 I want as many people as possible to see it (since they should know abotu the upcoming change), and give them enough time to process 22:26:27 I see. 22:26:39 I'm going to put a banner on the login page from the moment the article is up with a link to it 22:26:51 "A new UI is upcoming! Click here for more info." or the like 22:26:53 puiterwijk: is the draft on the magazine yet? 22:26:55 The only thing potentially blocking it would be a featured image, but worst case, that could be a screenshot if ryanlerch or stickster are unavailable to make an image. 22:27:01 jflory7: puiterwijk: What if we try to publish it as soon as possible when ready, including as a 2nd article same-day with something else? 22:27:22 I'm +1 for this being a same-day article too, it would be a short newsy post anyways. 22:27:22 An image for what? Sorry 22:27:49 Oh, and it will probably send even more people to the magazine, since they'll have a link to it in their face everytime they log in :-) 22:27:49 Kohane: Every article usually has a featured image to go along with the publication - like on the homepage of fedoramagazine.org and at the top of every article. 22:27:53 (to any Fedora service) 22:27:53 Kohane: We're talking about puiterwijk's article right now. 22:28:09 But I don't remember which one is... 22:28:28 Kohane: it's an article about an upcoming change to the login system's theme 22:28:34 Ah! 22:28:40 Okay, thanks 22:28:44 Now I get it 22:28:59 puiterwijk: Heheh, right. So, maybe you can tell us what day you'd think you would have a first draft ready? :) 22:29:09 jflory7: in about one or two hours? 22:29:26 As said, it's mostly screenshots, and a very small bit of background info. 22:29:30 lol! 22:29:41 Okay, I'm trying to picture where this fits into the schedule. 22:29:59 Wow! Now that's fast! LOL 22:30:15 This also goes hand in hand with the Elections article with decause too, since that one is a fairly "hot news" article 22:30:31 Good 22:30:34 I see nuntius + OpenID + Elections wrapping around each other 22:31:33 decause and I also had some questions about what we want to do with the Elections article. 22:31:49 Depending on what we do, it could be nuntius + Elections = tomorrow, OpenID + Picard = Monday 22:32:18 i have a full draft copy in the magazine queue 22:32:41 I think I saw it yeah... 22:33:46 The thing that we were deciding upon were whether we wanted to do a near duplicate to what went out on the CommBlog last night or just do a brief summary and pointer article on the Magazine to the CommBlog article. 22:33:58 I'm leaning more towards doing the pointer / summary on the Mag 22:34:14 jflory7: I'm making a featured image for puiterwijk in advance right now 22:34:24 jflory7: +1 summary 22:34:27 * decause is good either way 22:34:35 stickster: you want a screenshot of the new system? 22:34:42 I think is better a brief summary with a link to the CommBlog 22:34:43 puiterwijk: What's the title of the article? "Fedora login has changed" ? 22:34:46 puiterwijk: sure 22:34:47 The CommBlog article is chucked full of good info and data about the Elections that are of high interest of contributors, so I definitely think getting out a Magazine article ASAP is good. 22:35:01 stickster: With that in mind, maybe OpenID tomorrow, Elections Monday. 22:35:24 Ye, looks fine to me 22:35:25 "New and improved Fedora OpenID login" 22:35:25 So do we all agree on the pointer article then? 22:35:32 yes 22:35:37 stickster: I'm thinking "New look and feel for Fedora Login upcoming" or something 22:35:47 Isn't that too long? 22:35:48 ah better: "Fedora OpenID login: New and improved" 22:35:49 +1 22:35:52 jflory7: +1 22:35:58 +1 22:36:05 #agree Elections Retrospective article to be a summary and point to full CommBlog article, jflory7 and decause will collaborate on having ready for Monday 22:36:11 stickster: looks good 22:36:33 #action jflory7 / decause Work on having Elections Retrospective article ready for Monday 22:36:34 Ye 22:36:39 Oh, yeah 22:36:54 #info jzb will help edit and review puiterwijk's Varnish article over the holiday 22:37:16 #action decause/jflory7 prepare election pointer post. due monday 22:37:26 :) 22:37:27 puiterwijk: I can help out with the editing for the OpenID article tonight, I'll be free for a large span of time tonight 22:37:30 So good 22:37:31 decause++ 22:37:47 jflory7: sounds good 22:38:04 #action jflory7 / puiterwijk Collaborating on the OpenID article for publication tomorrow; stickster creating featured image 22:38:26 Perfect! 22:38:38 So, I think the schedule is looking in place now. Let me put it together one more time: 22:39:41 Dec. 18, nuntius / OpenID (puiterwijk); Dec. 21, Picard / Elections news (decause); Dec. 23, Cinnamon; Dec. 28, Varnish; Dec. 29, HDYF; Dec. 30, Fedora Security Lab article; Jan. 4, HDYF (next person) 22:39:51 Does this look solid? 22:40:01 Ye 22:40:05 Cinnamon includes me and Kohane :) 22:40:14 Yep :3 22:40:44 +1 22:41:27 jflory7: +1 22:41:31 +1 22:42:19 jflory7: puiterwijk: *: new image --> https://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/images/new-fedora-login.jpg 22:42:23 look decent enough? 22:42:33 stickster++ looks great to me! 22:42:34 stickster: looks good, thanks 22:42:56 Wait... let me see... 22:43:03 stickster++ 22:43:03 iambryan: Karma for pfrields changed to 7 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:43:15 stickster: Does the above schedule look good to you as well? 22:43:36 Looks great to me. +1. 22:43:37 Ah! Now I see 22:43:41 #agree Holiday publishing schedule approved 22:43:42 Looks good 22:43:59 #info Holiday Publishing Schedule: Dec. 18, nuntius / OpenID (puiterwijk); Dec. 21, Picard / Elections news (decause); Dec. 23, Cinnamon (Kohane); Dec. 28, Varnish; Dec. 29, HDYF; Dec. 30, Fedora Security Lab article; Jan. 4, HDYF (next person) 22:44:05 brb 22:44:07 +1 22:44:29 That sums up all of our drafts, really 22:44:38 decause: sorry for the silly question but... what is brb? 22:44:38 There is the Shotwell article, but that one may need more time 22:44:45 Kohane: brb = be right back :) 22:44:52 Ah! Thanks 22:45:25 Well, it's not that complex... Shotwell I mean 22:45:28 jflory7 we had also discussed drafting an "installing" Fedora piece to use as a reference so spin articles 22:45:41 Only articles for the future to keep in mind are: cgroups, Cockpit overview, systemd part 8, and Shotwell alternatives 22:45:50 iambryan: Ah, yeah, taking from Kohane's Cinnamon article. 22:46:03 yes, that's the one 22:46:09 My article became popular! Haha! 22:46:11 have to duck out for dinner 22:46:23 jflory7: please feel free to ping me if there's something else I can edit for you. 22:46:26 Kohane it did :) 22:46:36 So good! :D 22:46:38 jzb++ Thanks for coming out tonight! 22:46:45 I think it might be good to let the Cinnamon article go out with those steps as is, but I like the idea of recycling the content for a later article strictly about installing 22:46:51 Or, maybe... 22:46:58 Maybe? 22:47:27 send it as is and then draft up a "Very" detailed n00b friendly version? 22:47:43 iambryan: Yeah, actually, that is what I'm leaning towards, personally 22:47:51 Get a lot of Anaconda screenshots and whatnot 22:47:56 Yeah, I agree 22:48:03 back 22:48:08 This would be good for January, I think 22:48:17 Yes 22:48:18 puiterwijk: The featured image is now in the media library; you can set it when you're ready in the editor, on the right side. 22:48:21 I will throw a pitch together for that 22:48:26 stickster: okay, thanks 22:48:53 My article still needs an image for the installation part, I think... 22:48:59 But I have none 22:49:33 #info Future Outlook: cgroups (ryanlerch), Cockpit overview (ryanlerch), Shotwell alternatives (cprofitt), systemd part 8 (stickster), Installing Fedora - simplified article (Kohane's Cinnamon article) 22:49:41 I think those are good to keep in mind for January 22:49:52 Yes 22:49:58 Unless there's other things to look at, I think the last ten minutes should be for the two new pitches. 22:50:13 Yes, fine for me 22:50:27 * decause nods 22:50:38 iambryan: Thanks, that will help put it on the map! 22:50:41 agreed 22:50:44 stickster++ sounds good about the featured image 22:50:54 #topic Pitches 22:51:05 So, I've been meaning to bring this up for a while-- 22:51:17 But I put in a new series proposal for future consideration a few weeks ago... 22:51:27 And someone happened to put together an i3 one without me even saying anything :) 22:51:29 Let me grab links. 22:51:35 Yeah, I love it :-) 22:51:43 I saw it 22:51:56 #info * New series proposal: Window managers and Fedora 22:52:00 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10884&preview=true 22:52:21 #info * Getting started with the i3 tiling manager in Fedora 22:52:23 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11254&preview=true 22:52:42 Author is William Moreno. /me tries to remember his FAS username 22:52:55 I know that name... 22:53:04 But I don't remember who is! 22:53:06 LOL 22:53:28 .fasinfo williamjmorenor 22:53:31 * decause has got nothin 22:53:31 jflory7: User: williamjmorenor, Name: William Moreno, email: williamjmorenor@gmail.com, Creation: 2012-06-24, IRC Nick: williamjmorenor, Timezone: America/Managua, Locale: es, GPG key ID: , Status: active 22:53:34 jflory7: Approved Groups: +packager docs cla_fpca cla_done ambassadors designteam freemedia videos fedorabugs fudcon +fedora-ni 22:53:55 There's no content in the pitch, but I like the idea and see nothing blocking it from being written. 22:54:04 +1 to i3 article from me 22:54:04 Good 22:54:19 +1 i3 22:54:21 He's on LATAM group 22:54:23 Want me to ask him? 22:54:28 +1 22:55:39 Kohane: Might be good to ping him after meeting to let him know his pitch is greenlighted :) 22:55:51 stickster: Pitch idea look good to you? 22:55:52 Excellent 22:55:54 I'll do so 22:56:30 jflory7: Looks AWESOME to me. 22:56:33 #agree All green lights for drafting the i3 window manager article! :) 22:56:42 \o/ 22:56:44 #action williamjmorenor Proceed with drafting the i3 article 22:56:58 Last pitch: 22:57:04 #info * IRC - the nice monster 22:57:06 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11210&preview=true 22:57:14 Ah! That's mine 22:57:16 jflory7: a first draft: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11272&preview=true 22:57:18 Maybe a different title, but I like the idea of a starter guide for IRC 22:57:27 puiterwijk++ Awesome, I will get right on that after the meeting! 22:57:41 Great idea, especially since we are sending new users to IRC for support! 22:57:47 monster maybe for a halloween post :P 22:57:53 puiterwijk: Did you say you had screenshots too? 22:57:58 decause: Heheh, yeah. 22:58:06 jflory7: yes. I'm making and uploading those now 22:58:06 I think we should all collaborate on this article too 22:58:28 IRC looks like a monster to new users, hence the title 22:58:40 This is something very central to helping new contributors getting started, and if we put out a fantastic guide doing a basic overview for IRC, it can be used by other subgroups / teams to link to their own new contributors 22:58:52 I am very +1 on an "IRC for Newbies" sort of article. 22:59:07 #info Installing Fedora for Dummies (Pitch): https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=11277 22:59:30 * stickster has to bolt but will trust jflory7 to shut up shop with the "hash-endmeeting" command 22:59:44 stickster: Will do. 22:59:45 this was part of 'first flight' in hfoss at RIT course 22:59:56 Kohane: I thought I understood the reason, but it may not come off that way to some readers :) 22:59:57 #info By the way, nice work jflory7 on basically running this meeting while stickster did clean up and general help tasks 23:00:06 Okay 23:00:12 jflory7++ 23:00:17 thanks stickster 23:00:20 stickster++ for still coming out despite being sick! 23:00:29 I'm better today :-) just buried 23:00:32 get well soon 23:00:37 So, real quick, -1 / +1 for IRC for Newbies kind of article? 23:00:38 Oh! Get well stickster 23:00:39 +1 23:00:44 +1 23:00:45 +1 23:00:53 +1 23:00:57 #agree IRC starter article approved, commence drafting! 23:01:19 Perfect 23:01:24 #action Kohane Begin drafting IRC starter article, all of Marketing / Magazine keep an eye on this to help craft into a useful article for the entire Project 23:01:46 #action jflory7 Finish Picard article, Cinnamon edits before traveling 23:01:53 With that, we hit all the pitches: 23:02:02 #topic Open Floor 23:02:06 Yeah, I'll try to finish the text part 23:02:13 Anything else anybody wants to hit on? 23:02:20 * decause is good 23:02:23 We're two minutes over as is 23:02:35 I think it's fine 23:02:39 Kohane++ Awesome, sounds good to me! 23:02:50 * jflory7 is also good 23:02:51 good here 23:02:53 Kohane++ 23:02:57 I need screenshot for the installing part, just that 23:02:59 Oh, one thing, though: 23:03:08 Yes? 23:03:25 #info Feel free to poke jflory7 for any Magazine help over the holiday period, I am available to help with editing / pitches / the whole lot :) 23:03:36 With that, I motion to close 23:03:41 Good 23:03:54 Last call in 3... 23:03:56 2 23:03:58 1 23:03:58 #info Feel free to ping puiterwijk for any technical Magazine issues, as always 23:04:11 Thanks for coming out to the meeting tonight, everyone! Safe travels over the holiday season! 23:04:16 #action jflory7 don't work on xmas plz :) 23:04:16 Stay warm and safe :) 23:04:19 #endmeeting