22:04:01 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 22:04:01 Meeting started Thu Feb 25 22:04:01 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:04:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:04:01 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 22:04:04 thanks guys 22:04:04 #meetingname magazine 22:04:04 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 22:04:12 #topic Roll call 22:04:15 .hello pfrields 22:04:16 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 22:04:18 .hello jflory7 22:04:19 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 22:04:21 guys btw I am sorry I am late.. I thought meeting was now.. didnt actually realise I am late :( 22:04:22 .hello puiterwijk 22:04:22 * jflory7 will put out a ping in -mktg 22:04:22 puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick "マルタインアンドレアス" Uiterwijk' 22:04:39 shall look at the meeting minutes 22:04:47 まるたいんあんどれあす 22:05:12 noriko: check PM :-) 22:05:52 .hello nb 22:05:53 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 22:05:57 .hello jonatoni 22:05:58 jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 22:06:04 nb, jonatoni: o/ 22:06:53 #chair jflory7 puiterwijk nb jonatoni 22:06:53 Current chairs: jflory7 jonatoni nb puiterwijk stickster 22:07:01 #topic Review of last week 22:07:28 A pretty good week stats wise. We are down overall for February, but that is obviously due to participation being down around the DevConf.cz event 22:07:36 * jflory7 nods 22:07:57 Yeah, a few deadlines were missed, but we still got at least two articles out per week, which I can still feel okay about 22:08:12 #info Special thanks to jflory7 for keeping things rolling along! 22:08:13 This week is back to our regular three articles 22:08:26 Gladly :) 22:08:32 .hello jobava 22:08:33 Jobava: jobava 'Jobava' 22:08:36 Jobava: o/ 22:08:46 I would love to find a new "series type" that we could turn into quick-hit articles 22:08:55 Me too, now that GPG finishes tomorrow 22:09:16 I still like the idea of featuring window managers but there is a technical barrier to that one -- we'd need people with experience of different window managers 22:09:29 williamjmorenor++ for the i3 article, it was pretty well-received 22:09:56 jflory7: Maybe something on an easier plane. I was thinking of showing off some features of the file manager (Files, nee nautilus) 22:10:04 Ooh. Hadn't thought of that 22:10:16 Those could be articles that only take 30-40 minutes to write/edit as opposed to big tomes 22:10:40 #idea A series of articles on using the Files app in Workstation... howto articles are very popular 22:10:40 Mhmm. 22:10:54 Definitely +1 on that :) 22:11:50 To drafts? 22:12:10 "how to make Fedora more secure against wiretaps" article? 22:12:15 jflory7: sounds good 22:12:16 * puiterwijk is writing an article series "How to be paranoid" (aka, about computer security). Interesting for Magazine? 22:12:21 #topic Drafts 22:12:24 puiterwijk: Totally! 22:12:35 Seems like there are a lot of ideas for security articles... jhogarth was also working on something. 22:12:44 Can get lines from him later on this meeting 22:12:52 * stickster likes this and wants to balance the paranoia with some happy-joy-joy articles 22:13:03 * jflory7 nods 22:13:09 stickster: hah. Then you'll need about 3 happy-joy-joy articles per article from me :D 22:13:15 * puiterwijk is known to be very paranoid 22:13:22 ha 22:14:07 * jflory7 is looking through the AWS CLI article that fale posted 22:14:16 Should actually be "pending review", I think 22:14:19 But we can review it now 22:14:38 jflory7: agreed 22:15:02 jflory7: GPG article is going up tomorrow, correct? 22:15:09 stickster: Correct, is scheduled and ready. 22:15:30 #action stickster publish social media stuff for GPG article in the a.m. on Feb 26, EST 22:15:46 #info === AWS CLI in Fedora === 22:15:51 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11599&preview=true 22:16:03 Article looks very long but there's a lot of code snippets 22:16:07 jflory7: that's the one you're editing now? 22:16:15 Whoops, am I editing? 22:16:28 jflory7: Oh, not in the interface -- I just meant in a general sense :) 22:16:33 Ohh, yeah. :) 22:16:49 Needs a little formatting work for the code snippets but content looks solid to me 22:16:57 jflory7: Do you have a date set for this one? 22:17:04 I could see it going out Monday? 22:17:10 jflory7: Do you need an image for it? 22:17:15 Ahh, yes. 22:17:18 Good catch 22:17:21 #action jflory7 finish editing AWS CLI article for Monday 22:17:37 #action stickster make featured image for AWS CLI article no later than Sunday 22:17:41 +1 22:17:45 Next article? 22:18:09 +1 22:18:11 #info === cockpit overview === 22:18:14 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10867&preview=true 22:18:23 croberts is working on this one 22:18:28 jflory7: Heard anything from him about it? 22:18:33 He checked in #fedora-mktg this week 22:18:39 coolio 22:18:50 He was having issues getting it running Cockpit on his hardware but was going to run it in a VM 22:18:58 * stickster feels like he (stickster) has been buried and out of touch 22:19:08 Hopefully should be ready by next week, would be nice to have it out for Wednesday. 22:19:12 jflory7: frankly, I think easiest way is just getting a Server installation and running it 22:19:23 via VM sounds like the right plan 22:19:26 stickster: Well, you were in Europe for... two weeks or so? Or somewhere close to that? :) 22:19:29 stickster: +1 22:19:34 jflory7: 5.32 years 22:19:38 heheh 22:19:39 No wait 22:19:40 .hello decause 22:19:41 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 22:19:43 27 eons 22:19:44 #chair decause 22:19:44 Current chairs: decause jflory7 jonatoni nb puiterwijk stickster 22:19:56 * decause had to physically pick up swag 22:20:01 All I know is I have more gray hairs now. 22:20:02 :) 22:20:08 anyhoo 22:20:09 stickster++ 22:20:14 jflory7: next article! :-D 22:20:23 I'm thinking maybe just a check-in on the list for this one? 22:20:33 Yup, writing it now ;-) 22:20:36 Perfect. :) 22:20:59 #agreed Following up on the list about article status; intended publication 2016-03-02 22:21:08 #info === Installing another desktop === 22:21:13 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11395&preview=true 22:21:38 This is lailah / Kohane's article about the desktop spins 22:21:44 It covers a lot of our non-default spins 22:22:12 currently covers: KDE and MATE 22:22:18 *nod 22:22:24 A section on GNOME is at the bottom, but may not be necessary 22:22:29 And I like that it covers GNOME for people who are *on* another spin 22:22:35 I like the idea of maybe splitting them up into KDE article and then MATE article? 22:22:45 Ahh, she actually asked about that on the mailing list too 22:22:48 Can't remember if I replied 22:22:48 jflory7: I'm thinking the same thing... the MATE one feels a little rushed 22:23:12 Yeah, KDE seems pretty solid in terms of length and screenshots 22:23:22 I'm +1 for maybe splitting and shipping by next Friday? 22:23:26 And that makes our week? 22:23:34 jflory7: agreed! 22:23:58 jflory7: If I can eke out some time on Saturday, I may give a go at the first in a Files app series. 22:24:06 #agreed Splitting up article into KDE and MATE article will work best; KDE article could be tidied up and shipped out by next Friday 22:24:09 #nick Kohane 22:24:20 Only if I can figure out at least 5 decent how-to articles, though 22:24:32 jflory7: I just emailed the list to +1 the split 22:24:33 #action jflory7 Follow up with Kohane about "Installing other desktop" article 22:24:38 #undo 22:24:38 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jflory7 at 22:24:33 : jflory7 Follow up with Kohane about "Installing other desktop" article 22:24:39 :) 22:24:46 stickster++ 22:24:53 * stickster feels like no one else is talking... someone stop us before we start to do some damage! 22:25:00 Heheh. :) 22:25:04 Hey I know, let's start handing out action items to the other chairs ;-) 22:25:13 I know there's some people with pitches to present too :) 22:25:18 Let's do that then! 22:25:30 One last draft to cover, then let's switch over 22:25:33 This one may be fast 22:25:34 oh yeah 22:25:37 hit me jflory7 22:25:41 * decause ducks 22:25:43 #info === Gimp – A fast overview === 22:25:43 :P 22:25:46 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11874&preview=true 22:25:49 decause++ 22:25:59 This one definitely looks like a WIP 22:26:13 I think this was on the backburner after the spins article Kohane was working on 22:26:22 +1 to revisiting at a later meeting 22:26:42 jflory7: Yeah -- tbh I'm not hot on the "menu tour" that seems to start at the end... maybe before it gets too far down the road, we should suggest making this more an overview of the ways you can use GIMP (photo retouching, painting, other?), and then point at some resources 22:26:58 stickster: Yeah, actually, that would be a good idea 22:27:01 * jflory7 forgot another email 22:27:08 menu tours are inordinately boring and best left to official documentation 22:27:24 She replied back to the list with her plans for the article and she said she wasn't planning on getting too deep into working with GIMP 22:27:30 I can't remember if I replied or not... 22:27:41 Would be good to follow up early on that before too much time is invested into it 22:28:02 yeah, I don't think it needs to go into usage, more "here is a high level list of what you could use GIMP for" 22:28:43 I use it for stuff like scaling, careful cropping... photo tuning... some painting and banner type stuff... and conversion. I'm sure there are other uses too 22:28:56 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2016-February/018973.html 22:29:04 Maybe following up on that thread 22:29:14 stickster: Yeah, I'm +1 to making that the article direction 22:29:56 #action stickster follow up on list with Kohane to retune GIMP article direction slightly and encourage 22:30:29 jflory7: let's go to real-time pitches! 22:30:42 just in time! 22:30:44 * jhogarth coughs 22:30:50 * jflory7 nods 22:30:57 #topic Pitches / New Ideas 22:31:30 I have jhogarth's lines here: 22:31:31 [12:41:00] hi guys - I'm going to be doing a major update of owncloud in the fairly near future. This is the first major update since F21 went from 7.0 to 8.0 , and what makes it especially important to get the word out to Fedora users about it is that to get to 8.2.2 we have to go through 8.1 first (there is no upgrade path from 8.0 to 8.2) 22:31:42 [12:41:00] I've mailed the devel and users lists already but was thinking of writing a FM article to bring more attention to the update to ensure as much info as possible out there about the move to avoid any risk to people's data and avoid them losing an upgrade path 22:32:55 * puiterwijk would suggest not upgrading the package but instead creating an owncloud82 package in that case. But I guess that's besides the scope of this meeting 22:33:06 And then this just now: 22:33:07 [17:29:52] jflory7, sorry been a busy evening with child (complete with stopping breathing through choking and a doctor visit!) i'll start writing it this weekemd so it can be schedlued around the time of me pushing 8.1.5 to updates-testing 22:33:39 jflory7++ 22:33:46 jhogarth++ 22:33:46 decause: Karma for jhogarth changed to 5 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:33:52 Hmm 22:33:57 puiterwijk, follow the bug - it's out of scope to do that and way more effeort than any volunteer is willing to put in ... and stays in line with adam's previous updat epolicies ... but out of scope of this meeting - feel free to comment on the 8.2.2 updat ebug ;) 22:34:33 I wonder whether getting down into per-package warnings to users is further down than Magazine ought to go 22:34:38 i aleady have a rough draft in markdown I was going to put in as draft today but $life 22:34:47 But... this seems like something we should get out on our social media feeds 22:35:27 jhogarth: What about the idea of doing a personal blog on this, as a {co-}maintainer (which I assume you are?), and then we could point to it via social media feeds, since it should show up on the planet? 22:35:35 stickster: commblog will take it if we need to 22:35:36 stickster, we had an article about mumble returning ... base don that I figure dthe first major update ni over a year would be in scope of FM 22:36:03 Yeah, if not Magazine, could definitely go on CommBlog with social media pointers 22:36:11 stickster, I could do ... doubt my microserver could copy with the traffic but I can alway scloudflare in advance ;) 22:36:26 But... I still think an article about ownCloud on the Magazine may be a good idea, if there's a new release 22:36:30 jhogarth: That's true, but we're talking about warnings of upgrade paths... I'm torn 22:36:39 On Reddit / Telegram, seems like it's a topic people are very interested in 22:36:39 I like the idea of "hey, new OwnCloud in Fedora" 22:36:47 I see potential for this one on the Magazine, like the Mumble article 22:37:01 stickster: we can always do a pointer post on Magazine to the commblog with the "full-details" 22:37:03 Nothing too deep about using it, but can just be like, "Hey, look!! It's here!!" 22:37:04 how about I get it in draft and you comment on it? 22:37:09 But detailed instructions about upgrade paths and showing how it might break? Doesn't speak well about Fedora quality 22:37:11 diff headlines, same content, slightly different leads ;) 22:37:18 jhogarth: yeah, that's totally fair 22:37:20 not a how to - but a heads up 22:37:54 stickster, unfortunately we are limited by upstream which only support 8.0 -> 8.1 NS 8.1 -> 8.2 (n dsoon 8.2 -> 9.0) 22:37:57 Ohhh, I'm seeing the context of this now, it's not a clean upgrade? 22:38:12 i'd live to jump straight up but alas ... and userdata is something we all take seriously 22:38:16 * stickster kind of feels like this is not a great upstream to be packaging :-\ 22:38:30 I mean, that's no reflection on the upstream. 22:38:33 no - we have to do it in parts... and people have to updat eto 8.1 to cope wit the futu 8.2 update 22:38:56 What I mean is that packaging everything has never seemed to me a great idea. And this sort of shows why 22:39:36 Because the distro inherits the whiff of ugly that comes from weird upgrade situations like this... because of user expectations of a packaged distro 22:39:45 well I won't be pushing to updates-testing for at least a week - how about I draft something and mail the ML ... and we get feedback on it 22:39:47 anyway, this is all philosophy and we're in a Magazine meeting :-) 22:39:49 For the article, I'm +1 to throwing the draft into the Magazine and reviewing it down the line. If we decide it may not be good for our audience, we can divert to the CommBlog as a helpful "get ready, here's what's happening" and point social media to it there. 22:39:57 jhogarth: +1 on drafting and let's see where that goes 22:40:06 at the least it gives me the same content I'd blog :P 22:40:11 It can be a straight copy+paste, so no time is wasted by drafting in the Magazine, it can be instantly copied and pasted 22:40:14 (which comm could then use) 22:40:22 Any -1s on this idea? 22:40:28 If not, I'll do an #agreed 22:40:33 * stickster hopes it's clear that he is 110% in favor of the writing and warning in some way/shape/form 22:40:37 +1 is enthusiastically +1 22:41:09 #agreed For the ownCloud upgrade article pitch, the draft will be thrown into the Magazine and we will review it down the line. If we decide it may not be good for our audience, we can divert to the CommBlog as a helpful "get ready, here's what's happening" and point social media to it there 22:41:22 Anyone else with pitches? Jobava / puiterwijk had some? 22:42:00 jflory7: as said: I would be willing to write some paranoia (security) articles 22:42:22 jflory7: Fedora Magazine could feature more bits about practical encryption and security 22:42:23 I'm +1 to some security-oriented articles for the sysadmin crowd, personally 22:42:32 I am looking into some ideas, maybe you have some? 22:42:34 Those have fared pretty well, especially when cross-posting to Reddits 22:42:41 jflory7: well, I was planning both sysadmin and normal user crows 22:42:45 crowd* 22:42:50 not just sysasmins, Fedora Magazine is also available to non-techies 22:42:56 puiterwijk: Works for me. :) 22:43:10 Jobava: Is it along the lines of GnuPG encryption sort of stuff? 22:43:19 Jobava: If so, we are about to end a series on that one soon 22:43:25 Jobava: Happen to have experience with OpenVPN? 22:43:38 puiterwijk: I love the idea of posts for sysadmins and posts for non-techie users 22:43:59 jflory7: not the nitty gritty, just openwrt and the occasional ssh tunnel 22:44:02 jflory7: didn't we agree that the two of us would work on that article? But if you rather work with someone else, sure 22:44:14 puiterwijk: Oh, yeah, I forgot about that! 22:44:26 puiterwijk: We could pick that one up again if you're up for it :) 22:44:34 Tomorrow, sure. 22:44:45 puiterwijk: Sounds good to me, I'll action it! 22:44:54 Well, not that today would even be possible... It's going to be tomorrow before the meeting is over probably 22:45:06 #action jflory7 / puiterwijk Begin working on the OpenVPN article in the Holding Pen and move it back to Drafts 22:45:10 Jobava: How about a simple article on how to use an SSH tunnel? I like to concentrate on "why" first, it helps frame the article 22:45:14 puiterwijk: Yeah, whenever works well for you :) 22:45:42 * jflory7 notes there is also an article on KDE Connect... if there happens to be someone familiar with that software 22:45:44 * puiterwijk points at sshuttle for ssh tunnels. Best tool ever for Poor Man's VPN 22:45:52 Jobava: Also, that will help us get an idea of your writing so we can help you better with other articles in the future too 22:46:08 stickster: can work and you can for example use PuTTY from a Windows computer to tunnel to your home computer running Fedora 22:46:16 Of course 22:46:46 I like to get away from "here's this arcane thing I did that works in my environment" toward articles that a broader set of readers can apply 22:47:16 the more specific the use case gets, the fewer people who are likely to read it or put it to use, even if it's a neat idea 22:47:39 #action jobava write draft on article on SSH tunnel from Fedora to a Windows or Linux PC 22:47:48 +10 22:47:51 * puiterwijk writes off at least half of my articles then :D 22:48:02 puiterwijk: I'm all about saving you work, you need to get out in the sun 22:48:03 Jobava++ Sounds awesome :) 22:48:20 stickster: hah. If I want sun, I'm in the wrong country :) 22:48:23 haha 22:48:28 puiterwijk++ 22:48:37 Anyone else with a pitch? 22:48:40 ! 22:48:47 Nope, nothing from you jflory7 22:48:49 "I love the Dutch summer. It's my favorite day of the year" 22:48:51 HAHAHA I KID 22:49:11 puiterwijk: Looking forward to seeing your drafts. FYI, the OpenVPN article has all of the intro content done already, which you can also take a look over. The technical meat is all that's really left. :) 22:49:25 The stroopwafel makes up for the weather apparently 22:49:26 stickster: I think we already approved this, but I wanted to put together an article on The Black Box 22:49:45 jflory7: Yes! Readers not only will love it, they DEMAND IT! 22:49:53 :) 22:49:58 Planning on getting a draft going for that soon 22:50:16 * kk4ewt is enjoying the article on i3 22:50:17 #action jflory7 Begin drafting the beWhitty + Black Box article soon, expected delivery in March-ish 22:50:46 kk4ewt: Yeah, I thought it was a really great beginner's guide to it. I used it for getting started with my own set-up. :) 22:51:13 Anyways, that's all pitch from me. Unless we want to do pointer articles for decause's event reports on the CommBlog sometime soon to add more exposure there. 22:51:18 cool 22:51:19 be good to see more of these 22:52:09 kk4ewt: Yeah, if you know anyone with experience with other window managers, feel free to send them to us. :) I'd love to do more about window managers too. 22:52:25 stickster: if we get into GSoC, would that be a good one to run in FM? 22:52:31 !!! 22:52:31 we should find out on Monday 22:52:32 +1000 22:52:38 * jflory7 totally forgot about that 22:52:51 * jflory7 can help work on that too once the news is ready 22:52:57 * decause just spent *many* cycles to help ensure this would be a thing (fingers and toes crossed) 22:53:12 jflory i would love to see more articles on even the labs stuff 22:53:41 stickster: I know GSoC is dev focused, but we could maybe have some kind of "human interest" angle perhaps? it would be 10 years if we get in. 22:53:44 or even gimp and its friends 22:53:57 kk4ewt: The Security Lab article was *also* really well-received. I remember seeing in decause's slides for FOSDEM there was a notable spike in the Security Spin downloads right after our article went out in December. I think this would be a fantastic idea. 22:54:08 Having the stats to back up that article was really powerful and awesome 22:54:14 decause: Yeah, a higher level article about opportunities might be good 22:54:16 jflory7: you know what, we need to tell mattdm that 22:54:20 We had a notable spike in Security Spin downloads after that article :) 22:54:23 decause: For sure! 22:54:25 I hadn't thought of the magazine being the driver 22:54:36 mattdm has been theorizing that it was a classroom deployment 22:54:45 but, if we can match the timeframes, that would be *huge* 22:54:51 * jflory7 nods 22:54:52 fedoramagazine++ 22:54:52 decause: Karma for fedoramagazine changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:54:53 * stickster just wants to be careful about delineating user focus of the magazine from contributor focus 22:55:00 LOL 22:55:03 stickster: agreed 22:55:08 Guess that's the administrative account for the Magazine 22:55:12 decause: But yeah, let's plan something to splash for it 22:55:13 stickster: Right. 22:55:14 Hah, there are people with interesting IRC nicks registered in FAS... 22:55:18 lmao 22:55:21 decause: You have the ticket for this one 22:55:26 decause, and that gives the ambassador stuff to give marketing (we need a brochure on this) 22:55:30 * puiterwijk still loves that someone actually registered "pizza". So you can do pizza++ :D 22:55:56 #action decause prepare a draft GSoC announcement (due next week) 22:55:57 :) 22:56:00 #action decause if we get into GSoC, build a high-level article re: Fedora involvement in GSoC, opp'ty angle 22:56:03 oops 22:56:05 decause: Feel free to ping me on that one too 22:56:05 #undo 22:56:05 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 22:56:00 : decause if we get into GSoC, build a high-level article re: Fedora involvement in GSoC, opp'ty angle 22:56:11 decause: Can definitely help on that 22:56:19 OK, anything else before we close? 22:56:28 I think that's all from me 22:56:35 that was the only "big" news I had 22:56:40 #action jflory7 Get out interview questions to beWhitty on the Black Box this weekend 22:56:43 Good meeting :-) We got a lot done! 22:56:48 stickster++ 22:56:49 OK, closing in 30 sec then 22:56:50 jflory7++ 22:56:51 I want to plan an outage of the magazine sometime soon for a few hours for the merge with commopsblog. More details to follow hopefully next meeting 22:56:54 stickster++ Thanks for chairing, good to have you back :) 22:56:57 thanks for chairing stickster 22:56:58 Oh! one more thing 22:57:10 puiterwijk++ That will be awesome. 22:57:14 #info stickster updated plugins today... just went for it. Everything seems to be in tip top shape after some quick testing 22:57:21 stickster++ 22:57:26 stickops++ 22:57:27 22:57:41 OK, closing in 30 sec then 22:57:45 stickster, ++ 22:57:49 stickster++ Awesome! 22:57:53 stickster,++ 22:57:55 Regarding the outage: if people could let me know what times they think would be best, that'd be great 22:58:03 decause, jflory7 --- ooh, yes. I assumed that that was probably due to a class 22:58:04 stickster++ 22:58:06 (just think about it for next week please) 22:58:42 puiterwijk: Anything far away from 8:00 UTC :) 22:58:51 +1 22:58:58 * puiterwijk plans it tomorrow at 08:15 UTC 22:59:19 puiterwijk++ 22:59:22 Ahhhhh! ;) 22:59:35 #endmeeting