21:01:51 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:01:51 Meeting started Thu May 26 21:01:51 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:01:51 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:02:02 #meetingname magazine 21:02:02 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:02:05 #topic Roll call 21:02:06 .hello pfrields 21:02:07 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:02:18 hi jflory7 ! sorry for being late -- just got off call with interns 21:02:26 Not a problem! :) 21:02:28 .hello jflory7 21:02:29 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:03:14 Hello everyone. 21:03:20 Hey, jbishop! 21:03:37 .hello nb 21:03:38 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 21:03:52 .hello puiterwijk 21:03:53 puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick "マルタインアンドレアス" Uiterwijk' 21:04:07 Hey nb, puiterwijk! 21:04:37 .hello decause 21:04:37 .hello LinuxHippie 21:04:38 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 21:04:41 linuxmodder: Sorry, but you don't exist 21:04:45 .hello linuxmodder 21:04:46 linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' 21:04:59 linuxmodder: o/ 21:05:03 Does that .hello command take FAS username? 21:05:12 jbishop, yes 21:05:24 Okay. 21:05:29 .hello jamesbishopca 21:05:30 jbishop: jamesbishopca 'None' 21:05:50 Thought I'd filled that out. 21:05:51 #chair puiterwijk nb decause linuxmodder jamesbishopca jflory7 21:05:51 Current chairs: decause jamesbishopca jflory7 linuxmodder nb puiterwijk stickster 21:06:06 #chair jbishop 21:06:06 Current chairs: decause jamesbishopca jbishop jflory7 linuxmodder nb puiterwijk stickster 21:06:09 oops 21:06:14 jbishop, privacy has to be set to of 21:06:15 off 21:06:33 if you have privacy on, it hides your name and irc nick and all kinds of stuff 21:06:34 OK, let's look at last week's numbers 21:06:43 * stickster has hard stop at :00 tonight 21:06:57 #topic Last week's stats 21:07:30 * jflory7 nods 21:07:31 Last week, down very slightly from previous week -- 39K+ vs 44K+ views 21:07:58 This probably means May will be a little lower than April overall -- but we have another article publishing tomorrow 21:08:04 Hmmm. Last week's publishing was a little inconsistent, though, right? 21:08:08 Yeah 21:08:15 Probably a contributing factor. 21:08:21 and we can schedule cprofitt's HDYF for Monday 21:08:27 That's also what I Was thinking. 21:08:46 This week was *highly* consistent, way back on track I think 21:09:16 In general the graph says to me we'll be up for the year total which is good :-) 21:09:18 So far, looking like next week might be following the same pattern. 21:09:20 .hello ryanlerch 21:09:20 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' 21:09:27 #chair ryanlerch 21:09:27 Current chairs: decause jamesbishopca jbishop jflory7 linuxmodder nb puiterwijk ryanlerch stickster 21:09:30 good to have you with us ryanlerch 21:09:34 ryanlerch: o/ 21:09:43 sorry i'm a bit late, the buses were a bit slow this morning 21:09:57 #info week was down slightly; month is down slightly but still have a few days to go; year is still looking up vs 2015 so far 21:10:08 no problem ryanlerch! 21:10:10 stickster: great news! 21:10:21 Should we jump into article stuff? 21:10:37 +1 from me. 21:10:44 #topic Articles in Pending Review 21:10:49 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post 21:11:05 +1 21:11:05 #info -- HDYF: Pravin Satpute -- 21:11:11 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13026&preview=1&_ppp=429f0827c2 21:11:25 I owe this an edit and can schedule for Monday 21:11:41 I passed over it today as well 21:11:51 Replied back on list to cprofitt confirming he was good for a Monday publishing date. 21:12:01 jflory7: Shall we just schedule it then? 21:12:04 I think we should be good to schedule it for Monday. 21:12:07 Yeah, I really think we're fine. 21:12:11 I see no reason why not :) 21:12:13 #action stickster schedule for Monday 21:12:21 awesome ! +1 from me 21:12:24 I can do that now if you want to get into drafts! 21:12:30 done 21:12:32 people seem to really like these articles! 21:12:34 Ah, never mind :) 21:12:36 I do 21:12:56 ryanlerch: Yeah, a lot of people on Reddit and other places seem to show interest in seeing how people have their workspaces set up. It's super cool :) 21:13:15 #topic Articles in draft 21:13:18 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post&orderby=date&order=asc 21:13:37 #info -- What do you look forward to in F24? -- 21:13:50 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12557&preview=1&_ppp=57b00ee236 21:13:58 decause: What can you tell us about this one? 21:14:26 I guess I missed the close last week, but GIANT_CRAB said they couldn't do it because of finals 21:14:30 * jflory7 notes that he moved the one pitch into the drafts since it's in progress - refresh might be needed 21:14:45 last I knew 21:14:52 * linuxmodder takes look 21:15:19 decause: Last chance to publish this is really next week 21:15:32 decause: do you know if GIANT_CRAB talked to anyone about this one? 21:15:37 oh sorry, we have ANOTHER week after that 21:15:47 i.e. is there raw content that is not in the post? 21:15:49 I'm not sure if he had, I can't remember the full conversation. 21:16:05 unclear 21:16:06 #info last chance to publish this is week of June 6-10 21:16:08 not sure I get the point of the HYDF style interview on that one 21:16:39 The idea was to interview different contributors and/or users and see what they were most excited about in F24. I think this article was going to be a large undertaking. 21:16:39 linuxmodder: It was supposed to be a fun survey of cool features through the user's eyes 21:16:44 linuxmodder: it will help add a human face to some of the features -- and to be different from the annoucnemnt proper 21:16:45 stickster, I will likely throw a pitch for SELF review 21:16:50 its that weekend 21:17:02 ryanlerch++ 21:17:18 not sure that's best way to go about it tho makes sense tho 21:17:31 linuxmodder: Go ahead and put that in the system in Pitch status, sounds worth discussing 21:17:41 let's stick to the topic for now, tho' ;-) 21:18:02 What do we want to do with this article? Someone either needs to step up to complete if GIANT_CRAB can't, or we toss. 21:18:32 * decause touches nose, already has the GA announcement on his plate 21:19:02 stickster: at this point, i am leaning towards tossing -- we can focus on writing up some of these features as post-GA posts then 21:19:21 I think with the time frame, it would be tough for anyone to get that much feedback in this time window. 21:19:27 ryanlerch: that makes sense to me. Would you be willing to turn those bits into separate pitches so we don't lose track, and toss the original out? 21:19:34 while the human angle is good, getting good interviews and data on is going to be difficult 21:19:35 I'm +1 for passing up this one for now and possibly try another approach. 21:19:39 * jflory7 nods to ryanlerch 21:19:49 stickster, SELF bit or the what you expect from 24 ? 21:19:54 SELF 21:20:14 stickster: adding priches now 21:20:16 linuxmodder: more explicitly -- please enter a pitch for SELF article. 21:20:24 we're trying to gather as much release related info as we can right now--we just hit up the docs office hours for release notes, and will hopefully get screenshots by 6/8 21:20:28 stickster, will do 21:20:45 thanks ryanlerch 21:20:48 decause++ 21:20:59 #action ryanlerch Toss this article, but pull out separate pitches for features which sound worthy of short articles 21:21:23 #info -- What's new in F24 Workstation -- 21:21:27 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12694&preview=1&_ppp=53d6357f77 21:21:39 #info stickster is already on this one, not critical yet but will be done in plenty of time for GA 21:21:44 nothing to see here, move along ;-) 21:22:06 #info -- Getting Started with Fedora Jam -- 21:22:25 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12800&preview=1&_ppp=6ecc43451d 21:22:36 jflory7: You were contacting the author about screenshots for this one? 21:22:50 plus a time reprieve since we have articles for tomorrow + Monday already :-) 21:23:11 Oh, shoot, I don't think I ever followed up on that loop. I'll reach out to ParadoxGuitarist after meeting tonight. 21:23:16 #nick ParadoxGuitarist 21:23:43 #action jflory7 follow up with ParadoxGuitarist after this meeting 21:23:43 #action jflory7 Follow up with ParadoxGuitarist about adding screenshots to the article and adding more introductory text about the Fedora Jam Lab 21:23:45 cool 21:23:46 Whoops. :) 21:23:48 #undo 21:23:48 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jflory7 at 21:23:43 : jflory7 Follow up with ParadoxGuitarist about adding screenshots to the article and adding more introductory text about the Fedora Jam Lab 21:23:52 #undo 21:23:52 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:23:43 : jflory7 follow up with ParadoxGuitarist after this meeting 21:23:54 I like yours better 21:23:56 go 21:23:58 #action jflory7 Follow up with ParadoxGuitarist about adding screenshots to the article and adding more introductory text about the Fedora Jam Lab 21:24:03 All set! 21:24:04 nice! alley-oop :-D 21:24:22 jflory7: Hopefully we can schedule this for Wed 2016-June-01 21:24:28 * jflory7 nods 21:24:32 Will add that as the target date 21:24:38 #info try to schedule this for Wed 2016-Jun-01 21:25:04 #info -- Setting up OwnCloud -- 21:25:06 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12941&preview=1&_ppp=bd82701db9 21:25:32 This was supposed to break into two separate articles, but I don't recall who was doing that 21:26:05 I believe this was Matt (ridgemat) 21:26:13 #nick ridgemat 21:26:15 Peeking on the list-- 21:26:20 He put an update there 21:26:36 #info ridgemat: "Just letting you know I'm afraid I won't be able to make tonight's meeting. I'll be more available over the next couple of days to gather more speed with the OpenShift article and will post to the list over the weekend with a draft for comment. " 21:26:54 Sounds awesome 21:27:05 Err, openshift vs owncloud? 21:27:08 #action ridgemat Break this into two separate articles over weekend, and we can edit next week 21:27:27 Ah, I see. Ignore me 21:27:31 puiterwijk: (1) installing Owncloud on Openshift; (2) desktop integration 21:27:49 stickster: yeah, just realized. Sorry for the noise 21:28:02 Replying to his mail on list now too 21:29:16 jflory7: ha, that's what I was about to do 21:29:22 #action jflory7 respond to Matt on list 21:29:26 And done :) 21:29:34 #info -- Gwenview -- 21:29:36 jflory7++ 21:29:47 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13075&preview=1&_ppp=f8b14bc68b 21:30:04 This is just a brief blurb so far, but lailah is working on it 21:30:08 * jflory7 nods 21:30:12 I think she just started on it. 21:30:18 * stickster is content to let this one ride 21:30:24 Agreed. 21:30:30 #action stickster Check status in 2 weeks 21:30:38 I'm interested in learning more about this, haven't heard of Gwenview. 21:31:28 * stickster too 21:31:53 * stickster notes we are one article short for next week thus far -- we have HDYF on Monday, hopefully Jam on Wednesday 21:32:04 let's see if something in Pitches can get there quicklky 21:32:10 #topic Pitches 21:32:13 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post&orderby=date&order=asc 21:32:33 Ah, these are the ones ryanlerch just added 21:32:39 only the oens i just made :) 21:32:44 #info -- Graphical upgrades -- 21:32:45 Yeah, there was the OVS bridges one that I moved to drafts. 21:32:47 That was the one there earlier. 21:33:04 For which I need to send my notes to stickster. 21:33:06 Oh, thanks jflory7 -- this was one puiterwijk was going to look over for us, but I know he's knackered today 21:33:14 * jflory7 nods 21:33:27 I'll post an update to the list. 21:33:29 stickster: yes, this week was... something else, but I have notes for you. 21:33:31 puiterwijk: maybe you can send to my gmail over weekend? 21:33:36 Yep, totally 21:33:48 puiterwijk: that sounds awesome. I have time to work on this Monday while off 21:33:59 i can take the graphical upgrades one 21:34:03 puiterwijk: Even Sunday morning if you can do it by then 21:34:09 ryanlerch: That sounds fantabulous. 21:34:13 stickster: I can probably get them to you by tomorrow.. 21:34:14 aim for a firday release maybe? 21:34:23 I have a text file that I should just be able to send you once I find it 21:34:28 ryanlerch: if you think you can do it that fast, sure! 21:34:46 stickster: next friday i was meaning 21:34:48 ryanlerch: right 21:34:53 Friday 2016-Jun-03 21:34:59 * ryanlerch notes it is already friuday here for him :) 21:35:04 yep yep 21:35:15 ryanlerch: almost there for me too! :) 21:35:17 #action ryanlerch Will write this up and plan to publish Friday 2016-Jun-03 21:35:36 Did we want to have a general date to aim for on the OVS bridges one? 21:35:49 Maybe the week after so we have time to edit? 21:36:10 Assuming Fedora Jam goes out on 2016-06-01 21:36:26 #info *** PUBLISHING FOR NEXT WEEK: *** Mon 2016-05-30: HDYF -- Wed 2016-06-01: Jam -- Fri 2016-06-03: Graphical upgrades 21:36:30 stickster: i'm happy to take all of these TBH -- might try to hammer them out super quick 21:36:46 jflory7: Yes, I can have that ready for Mon 2016-06-06 21:36:50 * jflory7 nods 21:37:00 #info -- OOPS: Draft - OVS article -- 21:37:11 #action puiterwijk send notes by this weekend 21:37:20 #action stickster finish editing and prep for publication Mon 2016-06-06 21:37:35 * jflory7 hits "send" on email to Ashutosh 21:37:45 ryanlerch: OK, if you're game, it's on!! 21:38:30 * linuxmodder will be less involved over summer fyi due to commitments one of which being GSoC) 21:39:02 linuxmodder: np :-) 21:39:23 mozilla / several subs here and GSoC and ofc RL :) 21:39:24 the only thing i might need is some SME contacts for the Dev mode on atomic one, and the Openshift origin one 21:39:27 #action ryanlerch to work on two additional pitches (OpenShift Origin, Developer mode for Atomic Host) 21:39:55 ryanlerch: I think jzb and/or kushal can help you with the Dev mode 21:40:00 Sounds like June might be lining up to be a record-setting month... 21:40:09 ryanlerch: I don't know exactly for openshift, but maybe maxamillion can suggest someone? 21:40:45 I think that takes care of Pitches 21:40:52 and... we have a schedule :-) 21:41:02 stickster: awesome. will reach ot to maxamillion 21:41:07 if we're writing about OpenShift, there was a case study that came out today: https://www.redhat.com/en/resources/north-carolina-transforms-state-websites-case-study 21:41:15 jflory7: Do you feel pretty confident about getting stuff for Jam? 21:41:28 tl;dr -- state saved taxpayers a bunch of money by using Open Source 21:41:39 stickster: I think if Brian can get the screenshots at the least, I could do the writing if he doesn't have the cycles to add more to it. 21:41:39 like, over a $1M 21:41:42 decause: but that's nothing surprising, is it? :-) 21:41:46 i.e. has the author been responsive 21:41:51 puiterwijk: :) 21:42:54 jflory7: If you aren't getting signal back, email me Monday morning and I'll see about downloading the spin and making some screenshots for you 21:43:02 * stickster has gobs of intartubez 21:43:15 I remember him being responsive when we talking about it on the list earlier, so I'll drop the line tonight, and if I don't hear back by Sunday, I'll reach out. 21:43:21 awesome 21:43:29 #topic Open floor (all other business) 21:43:42 ryanlerch: both jzb and kushal will be at PyCon this week, FYI 21:43:43 #info -- Categories -- 21:43:43 i just noticed the cantarell article 21:43:55 #action jflory7 Remember to reach out to stickster about Fedora Jam article if screenshots are not gathered by Sunday evening 21:44:00 just wondering if we need a punchier tiitle 21:44:25 ryanlerch: suggest something! Happy to fix, I was idea-less at the time :-( 21:44:29 only a small subet of users are going to know what cantarell is, let alone know it is the default font 21:44:44 oh that's a good (and stupid) point 21:44:51 meaning, it was stupid of me not to realize that at the time 21:45:08 I think I was so focused on editing that I just missed the forest for the trees 21:45:17 Font improvements in Fedora 24 Workstation ? 21:45:24 Default Font improvements in Fedora 24 Workstation ? 21:45:26 ryanlerch: But also in GNOME 21:45:40 ryanlerch: thanks for that info. I had been looking for the name of the default font for a long time! 21:45:45 since it was driven upstream we don't want to sound too much like we're taking credit 21:45:47 puiterwijk: haha 21:45:51 s/too much/at all/ 21:46:44 GNOME font improved in Fedora 24 Workstation? 21:47:17 ryanlerch: Hey, wasn't there also something that happened with *free* freetype? 21:47:26 canterall article is what exactly seen it in ml threaded for days 21:47:34 its a mere font yes? 21:47:42 The default font in Fedora, yeah. 21:47:59 ah the one i change on install got it 21:48:08 stickster: i think so, though i am not too clear on the details of this 21:48:16 screws with readability for me 21:48:19 ryanlerch: https://sourceforge.net/projects/freetype/files/freetype2/2.6.3/ 21:48:27 linuxmodder: That's exactly the point. The readability is way better now. 21:48:39 There were a good amount of upstream improvements made to improve how it renders and appears at different sizes / etc. 21:48:53 stickster, seemed same on my 24 isntall 21:48:54 I learned a lot reading the article about how font rendering and all that stuff works. 21:49:02 ryanlerch: plus there are apparently lots of Eastern languages supported now too 21:49:09 Was actually pretty interesting to read :) 21:49:09 hmmm 21:49:12 linuxmodder: Not in the least on any of mine. F23 -> 24 is a big difference. 21:49:18 maybe this is an additional post? 21:49:39 ryanlerch: Maybe we could preface with "here are some general improvements, but the most noticeable is Cantarell...' 21:50:27 ryanlerch: meh, I think the freetype improvements are too esoteric here 21:50:38 *trash-idea 21:51:13 ryanlerch: so about that title 21:52:15 Maybe "Font improvements in Fedora 24 Workstation" is fine -- in the article we should point out the upstream source 21:52:34 stickster: yeah, we give them a shout out atraight away 21:52:39 in the first para 21:52:55 Oh, you're right, we do! 21:52:57 Yay us! 21:53:18 its just that i worry about confusing people too much talking desktop envrionments 21:53:33 that was my biggest pain point when i started using a linux distro 21:53:39 ryanlerch: should I explain that just a smidge more? Like... 21:54:20 * ryanlerch apolgises for jumping in on this at the last minute .. :( 21:55:14 "Cantarell is the default font in Fedora Workstation. It comes to us courtesy of the GNOME desktop community, which designed and chose Cantarell for their interface." 21:55:21 ryanlerch: ^ 21:55:22 ? 21:55:46 steering clear of what contains what, what's based on what, etc. etc. 21:56:15 stickster++ 21:56:24 s/to us// -- unnecessarily wordy 21:56:30 * stickster edits 21:56:43 OK, I'll take care of this! 21:57:43 one other thing we might want to pitch is the 23>24 upgrade posts 21:57:45 post 21:57:54 that we usuanlly post just after GA 21:58:05 thanks for the edits stickster! 21:58:24 I think I can take that. 21:58:40 The upgrade post, I mean. 21:59:22 ryanlerch: I'll fix the image too 21:59:29 * stickster needs to vamoose 21:59:30 jflory7: awesome! 21:59:41 * stickster hands gavel to ryanlerch -- will you do recap to the mailing list please? 21:59:51 stickster++ 21:59:55 o/ 21:59:59 *poof 22:00:01 #action jflory7 Start draft for "Upgrading from Fedora 23 => 24" and confirm if the GNOME Software upgrade is a thing this release 22:00:03 i think we are pretty much done now! 22:00:09 I think we're all set :) 22:00:20 how do i end the meeting again? 22:00:29 #endmeeting 22:00:34 (without leading space) 22:00:54 #endmeeting 22:00:56 (without leading space) 22:01:00 #endmeeting