21:00:02 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:02 Meeting started Thu Jun 16 21:00:02 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:02 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:03 #meetingname magazine 21:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:04 #topic Roll call 21:00:06 .hello pfrields 21:00:07 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:00:57 .hello jflory7 21:00:58 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:01:03 Hiya! :) 21:01:42 o/ :-) 21:02:03 jflory7: I have a hard stop at :00 but that shouldn't interfere with getting notes out :-) 21:02:29 Okay, sounds good. I think we should be able to fly through pending today - probably some things we could go ahead and schedule now if we want to give a date. 21:02:31 * stickster notes Ryan is technically on PTO today (Friday a.m. his time) 21:02:39 .hello ryanlerch 21:02:40 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' 21:02:41 Lots of new pitches this week! 21:02:42 hi all! 21:02:45 .hello jhogarth 21:02:45 whoa! It's like magic 21:02:45 jhogarth: jhogarth 'James Hogarth' 21:02:46 Hey ryanlerch! :) 21:02:51 stickster: You triggered it! 21:02:54 :) 21:02:58 Hey jhogarth, JohnMH! 21:02:59 I speak his name and he appears... Do you think that works for everyone? 21:02:59 sorry! 21:03:03 * ryanlerch was making coffee 21:03:06 Salma Hayek 21:03:10 .hello johnmh 21:03:11 JohnMH: johnmh 'John M. Harris, Jr.' 21:03:14 :-\ 21:03:15 not working 21:03:27 haha 21:03:46 #chair jflory7 JohnMH jhogarth ryanlerch 21:03:46 Current chairs: JohnMH jflory7 jhogarth ryanlerch stickster 21:03:53 Let's go ahead, lots to cover today 21:03:59 #topic GA on June 21st 21:04:01 * jflory7 nods 21:04:10 First and most importantly let's make sure we're ready for GA on Tuesday 21:04:13 \o/ 21:04:22 Looks like the graphical upgrade is no-go 21:04:36 jflory7: I'll get to that :-) 21:04:40 The upgrade article still needs tweaking, but I can do that tonight or early tomorrow. 21:04:47 * jflory7 holds 21:04:51 sorry :) 21:05:09 The way I see it there are three important articles at/around this time: (1) The announcement, which decause and bkp are handling AIUI; (2) F24 Workstation new stuff (done, save the image); (3) Upgrade article(s) 21:05:58 decause: Anything on #1 we need to know? Ideally, this should be ready Monday night to push out on Tuesday morning with no fire drills. 21:06:30 .hello decause 21:06:31 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 21:06:34 nod nod 21:06:35 #chair decause 21:06:35 Current chairs: JohnMH decause jflory7 jhogarth ryanlerch stickster 21:07:13 bkp just posted to the WGs for input, but I reckon we'll be making sure the draft is all set by Monday 21:07:16 EoB 21:07:34 brilliant 21:07:47 #info WGs have the release announcement for input, expected done by Monday COB 21:07:48 #info Three important articles at/around GA release time: (1) The announcement, which decause and bkp are handling; (2) F24 Workstation new stuff (done, save the image); (3) Upgrade article(s) 21:08:14 #info F24 Workstation article done except for image, which will be done tomorrow 21:08:28 #action stickster finish featured image for F24 Workstation article Fri 2016-06-17 21:09:03 On the upgrade article front... we have two now. One is a "Here's how this cool new feature will work" article, by ryanlerch. The other is a "here's how to upgrade in general" by jflory7 21:09:14 When is each intended to go out? 21:09:32 The latter usually goes out within a very short time after the announcement post. 21:09:45 jflory7: the cool new ones probably within a week after release 21:09:46 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576 21:09:58 #info the GUI software upgrade *is* ready in updates-testing 21:10:21 Would we want to publish early so some people know that it is coming soon (and they may wait for it), or do we want to publicize it after the release? 21:10:21 #info the GUI software upgrade won't be pushed out for maybe a couple days afterward to ensure that it's had sufficient testing time 21:10:27 #undo 21:10:27 Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 21:10:21 : the GUI software upgrade won't be pushed out for maybe a couple days afterward to ensure that it's had sufficient testing time 21:10:33 #info the GUI software upgrade won't be pushed out to F23 stable for maybe a couple days afterward to ensure that it's had sufficient testing time 21:10:51 stickster, yes but the two bugs QA considered absolute blockers are still outstanding and not in the testing build: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1576#comment:22 21:10:54 jflory7: I was thinking yes -- that Ryan's article with a few tiny tweaks could literally go out tomorrow 21:11:04 jhogarth: See coment 25 21:11:22 Yeah, I think giving people a taste of what's to come is a good idea. Some people may have a strong preference to use that and just wait a week before upgrading. 21:11:24 I see cmurphy's comment ... but that doesn't change the status of the bugs 21:11:39 jhogarth: you're not reading comment 25 :-) 21:11:55 "How about the Magazine article goes forward noting that the tool will be in Fedora 23 updates-testing at GA, and if all goes well it will appear in stable by the following week?" 21:12:00 I assure you I am :P 21:12:13 I@m also looking at the two bugs that were mentioned specifically as QA b;ockers 21:12:42 The fixes are being pushed to testing tomorrow as far as I can tell. 21:12:53 I'm confident the builds will be there and ready. jhogarth, these are "blockers" in the sense they affect our ability to reasonably commit to it being a good solution. They don't actually block anything per se 21:13:10 On a side note it was absolutely a horrible experience doing the GUI upgrade screenshots due to the timeout bugs and babysitting g-s upgrade required 21:13:23 So we can push out an article as cmurphy suggests early, and note the update will be available soon after GA 21:13:34 stickster: I'm +1 to that plan. 21:13:51 * stickster has run it on four different systems here with good results, although a bit slow for my taste 21:14:13 I'd suggest spacing it out and not flooding F-M and social media too much at once ... but I@m not a voting person here ;) 21:15:03 for reference pschindle said today in #fedora-qa "Now we test only dnf version (at least we have only dnf tests in our matrices). We tested a graphical update a bit (kparal probably more) but it still isn't fully supported." 21:15:09 I could see the benefit of maybe moving cprofitt's HDYF to Monday, to give some breathing room (or maybe publishing the GUI upgrade capability on Monday). 21:15:46 jflory7: I don't think we do worse by having more articles. More PR is better PR, they say :-) 21:16:29 stickster, I agree more articles are good ... but I'd debate the merit of all at once ... spead out over ~1 week is morel likely to keep return traffic up and social media interest up 21:16:41 jhogarth: oh yeah, for sure we don't want to pile these into same day 21:16:41 stickster: yeah i agree on this one, we typically dont have issues with more articles being posted, as long as they are all relevant :) 21:17:01 #idea Post Ryan article tomorrow with notice about availability of GUI upgrade 21:17:04 #undo 21:17:04 Removing item from minutes: IDEA by stickster at 21:17:01 : Post Ryan article tomorrow with notice about availability of GUI upgrade 21:17:06 Well, true. Space them out by a few hours and we should be alright. Release week does get pretty noisy since there's so much increased traffic too. 21:17:08 * jflory7 wonders if we might break some records next week again... 21:17:36 ryanlerch, did you get a chance to flick through my screenshots for your upgrade GUI article ? 21:17:58 jhogarth: looking now! 21:18:00 #idea (1) Post Ryan article tomorrow with notice about availability of GUI upgrade; (2) Post HDYF on Monday as planned; (3) Post GA announcement on Tuesday as required; (4) Post "how to upgrade" with reference back to GUI upgrade article a few hours later 21:18:20 Ooh, I think the HDYF is scheduled for tomorrow morning currently 21:18:24 oh whoops 21:18:26 #undo 21:18:26 Removing item from minutes: IDEA by stickster at 21:18:00 : (1) Post Ryan article tomorrow with notice about availability of GUI upgrade; (2) Post HDYF on Monday as planned; (3) Post GA announcement on Tuesday as required; (4) Post "how to upgrade" with reference back to GUI upgrade article a few hours later 21:18:38 #idea (1) Post Ryan article tomorrow with notice about availability of GUI upgrade; (2) Post HDYF on Friday also, as planned; (3) Post GA announcement on Tuesday as required; (4) Post "how to upgrade" with reference back to GUI upgrade article a few hours later 21:19:03 Only the logs know that was not my original idea!! :-D 21:19:08 :) 21:19:13 jhogarth: are they in the post? 21:19:16 +1 to proposed schedule 21:19:34 +1 21:19:42 +1 to schedule from me 21:20:22 #agreed publish as above 21:20:36 \o/ 21:20:57 ryanlerch, link to my grive on mailing list ... one moment https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4cGZbZj-DxyekR4YUNPazFtLU0 21:21:03 #action ryanlerch schedule first article for tomorrow morning 21:21:06 #undo 21:21:06 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:21:03 : ryanlerch schedule first article for tomorrow morning 21:21:07 sigh 21:21:11 #action ryanlerch schedule first GUI upgrade article for tomorrow morning 21:21:37 there's screen shots from pretty much every stage of the upgrade from the banner notification all the way through to complete 21:21:50 Nice! 21:22:00 solid 21:22:03 jhogarth++ 21:22:22 jhogarth++ 21:22:23 jhogarth++ 21:22:33 jhogarth++ 21:22:35 (both dnf upgrade and GUI upgrade covered) 21:22:56 not sure if they would be better in ryan's or julian's articles though 21:23:04 To pending review? 21:23:06 possibly the latter 21:23:11 I can use them in mine for the dnf methpd. 21:23:12 * method 21:23:13 s/julian/justin/ 21:23:33 sorry - baby brain :P 21:23:33 jhogarth: the screenshot in there at the moment is not accurate, (i GIMPed in the proper release no) 21:23:38 No worries :) 21:23:44 so, this is useful! 21:23:46 thanks! 21:23:58 ryanlerch, haha no worries and no problem 21:24:02 #action jflory7 ryanlerch use provided screenshots as needed in their articles 21:25:10 OK, anything else to cover up through GA day? 21:25:25 Nothing from me. 21:26:38 We have one in pending that could also go out next one, another one that is really really close 21:26:48 * next week (after GA) 21:27:19 #topic Pending review 21:27:47 jflory7: Which one is ready at this point? 21:28:09 stickster: Monitor Linux with Netdata is ready to ship. 21:28:28 jflory7: ryanlerch: *: Should we be quiet on Monday, or is that not a concern? 21:29:04 I think since we usually publish on Monday, I can't imagine it being a negative to have one article slip out on Monday. 21:29:36 stickster: yeah, i dont think it is ian issue to post this on monday 21:29:36 Netdata is a pretty cool one, and it might be something that hooks in readers coming for the GA too 21:29:43 If it were me, I'd be all over this one personally, heh 21:29:46 jflory7, ++ 21:29:56 cool 21:30:00 +1 to post netdata 21:30:06 Awesome. Will schedule! 21:30:12 #agreed post Netdata on Monday 21:30:22 #action jflory7 schedule Netdata for Monday 2016-06-20 21:30:37 Done! 21:30:40 Do we have anything waiting that could be ready either Wed/Thu? 21:30:47 "Smart light using Arduino on Fedora" maybe... 21:30:57 It's really close. I asked the author on list to clarify a few questions. 21:31:10 I also added in some blurring on the background text for that featured image :) 21:31:33 * jflory7 quickly goes to respond to author of Netdata post on list 21:31:34 jflory7: I have Nataly's "Fedora Developer Portal" article that can be ready for next Friday 21:31:47 stickster: I would say that one is a safer bet than the light bulb one presently. 21:32:11 jflory7: What if I swap with you, have FDP ready for Wed... would you be OK for Friday? 21:32:15 Or is that risky? 21:32:16 Time check, 50% btw 21:32:29 stickster: It depends on if I hear back from the author. I don't have the technical knowledge to finish this one. 21:32:36 It's mostly clarifying about what's already there 21:32:43 Little bit about Node.js things 21:32:48 Some about Arduino 21:33:37 gotcha 21:33:39 I have for everything I thought could be added to a bit 21:34:30 by the way decause -- this article "shell" is already ready for you to deliver the announcement: https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=13316&action=edit 21:34:39 jflory7: OK, let's have that soak 21:34:50 * jflory7 nods 21:35:13 #agreed stickster can provide a Wed article 21:35:27 #topic Drafts 21:35:50 #info --- Fedora Developer Portal --- 21:35:52 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13290&preview=1&_ppp=187cf2a76b 21:36:00 This is the article I can have ready for Wed. 21:36:21 stickster: we can probably reuse the exisiting dev portal feautre image for this 21:36:26 I'm not shot in the arm with the "interview" style here, so I might turn it into a narrative but use quotes liberally from the interview 21:36:31 ryanlerch: +1 21:36:49 ryanlerch: Any way you could do that one for me next week? Doesn't need to be done until say your Monday 21:37:06 * stickster looks balefully at meeting schedule on Monday :-\ 21:37:16 I mean the image 21:37:17 +1 for Wednesday. 21:37:30 stickster: sure! 21:37:32 This is also a good one for GA time, I think... kind of details a bit how people can get involved. 21:37:38 * ryanlerch can do it his monday morning 21:37:45 #action ryanlerch do feature image for Fedora Dev Portal article 21:37:55 #action stickster finish editing and schedule for Wed 2016-06-22 publication 21:37:59 jflory7: agreed 21:38:31 #info --- What makes up the Fedora kernel? --- 21:38:33 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13369&preview=1&_ppp=97f48df252 21:38:50 ooh, didint see this one -- but i want to read! 21:38:59 I think this is more a pitch. But Laura Abbott is working on this, and she's really good at writing. I think we should avoid setting a date yet, but I'll ask her if she wants to set a target 21:39:07 I saw labbott's email on the mailing list for this one. 21:39:12 * jflory7 double-checks if she set a target 21:39:47 * ryanlerch is going to have to head off! 21:39:48 Okay, nothing specific in the email. Maybe a good one for Monday after release week? 21:39:58 feel free to assign all the works to me! 21:39:58 ryanlerch: See ya! Thanks for swinging by :) 21:40:55 Thanks ryanlerch ! 21:41:10 #action stickster check with labbott on possible date for kernel article 21:41:22 I can fire that off on the mailing list now if you'd like 21:41:31 I'm about to fire off a reply for another article (Netdata) 21:42:04 jflory7: I just pinged her in IRC about it 21:42:13 Ah, awesome :) 21:43:18 Hmm 21:43:43 #info --- Hosting your own Fedora test day --- 21:43:55 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13358&preview=1&_ppp=42ed39e9a1 21:44:05 I did have a very quick readthrough of this one 21:44:10 I was thinking better for Community Blog. 21:44:25 jflory7: That seems like a better fit, yeah 21:44:34 I can handle migrating this one. 21:44:40 There's a lot of assumed tribal knowledge in that post] 21:44:44 Can do so now + send follow-up email on the list. 21:44:50 yeah I was going to ask what the target audience for that one was really 21:44:50 but def worthy 21:45:03 #action jflory7 migrate this to the community blog and follow-up 21:45:26 #info --- F24 release announcement --- 21:45:36 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13316&preview=1&_ppp=c3c34aa11d 21:46:10 decause: ^^ that's your "shell" article where you can put the final announcement. Feel free to add yourself as co-author if desired, usually we list mattdm too 21:46:24 stickster++ 21:46:37 decause: *Note* the caveat at top -- esp. the permalink, which *MUST NOT CHANGE* :-) 21:46:55 Was about to ask if this was the one. 21:47:02 #action decause / bkp do NOT change the permalink in the FM Announcement 21:47:06 :-) 21:47:14 :) 21:47:16 That's hard-coded into GNOME Software, I think, right? 21:47:18 We are using that for the "Learn More" button in the GUI software update 21:47:23 * jflory7 nods 21:47:24 jflory7: keerectamundo 21:47:47 * stickster skips Ryan's two drafts for now 21:48:10 Hmm, nothing more from Matt on his either... I'm going to move this to holding pen 21:48:25 esp since this is affected by nextcloud stuff 21:48:33 #action stickster Move owncloud article to holding pen for now 21:49:01 +1 21:49:02 Just enough time for pitches 21:49:05 * jhogarth notes that he's going on vacation for 3 weeks so the owncloud/nexcloud package obsoletion question is going to wait at least a month yet 21:49:06 #topic Pitches 21:49:10 *nod 21:49:22 #info --- Container tech in Fedora --- 21:49:32 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13388&preview=1&_ppp=910387cdc6 21:49:57 JohnMH: Still here? 21:50:03 Yes 21:50:10 JohnMH, would this be an appropriate article for a small section about flatpak as well as a container tech? 21:50:27 * jhogarth is pondering counterin gthe PR blast a certain company recently put out 21:50:35 Probably not the first one, as the first one is heavy on systemd 21:50:40 but that would definitely be easy to work in 21:50:42 ah gotcha 21:51:04 * stickster open to it... also I <3 this pitch! +10 21:51:15 I give it a green light :) 21:51:19 Make it a draft! 21:51:33 +1 21:51:53 #agreed move to draft, JohnMH to start writing with his co-author 21:51:58 I really like this article concept personally ... I've not played with nspawn much and would love to learn more on using ir properly 21:52:02 So moved :-) 21:52:21 Great, I'll have a draft in the next few hours more than likely 21:52:28 \o/ 21:52:31 JohnMH++ 21:52:34 JohnMH++ 21:52:34 jhogarth: Karma for johnmh changed to 5 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:52:47 #info We'll create a nice featured image for this that can be reused for each article with minor mods 21:53:30 #info --- Vagrant and DO --- 21:53:41 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13353&preview=1&_ppp=421d3fd772 21:53:47 This basically looks draft-ready 21:53:55 it's short but focused 21:53:57 Looking through this one currently. Seems more like pending review to me with need for edits, but I like it 21:54:06 Although I would like to see a little more of an intro to Vagrantfile 21:54:10 agreed 21:54:17 Outside of that, content seems good 21:54:30 jflory7: I'll email Kushal to ask him for a bit more at top 21:54:32 I could handle editing + featured image for this one. If I remember, we actually have one with DigitalOcean already we may be able to reuse 21:54:41 stickster: Sounds good, I'll leave that reply for you then. 21:54:43 jflory7: yep! for sure 21:54:51 jflory7: I'll have him work with you, though, if you are OK with that 21:54:53 * jflory7 has been replying back on the lists for pitches as we go so far 21:55:11 stickster: Yep! All for it! jflory7 is now upgraded to have featured image capabilities now :) 21:55:27 jflory7++ 21:55:37 Can probably move this one over to "Drafts" in the meanwhile. 21:56:05 jflory7: Do it! 21:56:12 * jflory7 does it 21:56:18 #agreed move to draft, and alert author to tweaks 21:57:24 * stickster skips openvswitch, because this is too rough right now 21:57:34 Is linuxmodder here? 21:57:44 #info --- SELF 2016 --- 21:57:46 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13353&preview=1&_ppp=421d3fd772 21:58:11 I'm not sure about this one presently - I think linuxmodder had to back out of attending this one for unexpected circumstances :( 21:58:23 Oh. OK, then I think we should trash this for now. 21:58:34 With no disrespect intended, because the article was a great idea. 21:58:40 Might be best unless another author wishes to step up and take that one. 21:58:58 * stickster hasn't had any luck chasing other authors who hadn't intended to take articles 21:59:26 yeah. We can also remove it from the trash if someone does come forward to 21:59:30 exactly 21:59:36 done 21:59:57 #action stickster trash this one with all due respect, due to unforeseen circumstances 22:00:05 That's it folks! 22:00:17 \o/ 22:00:20 Thanks to everyone for coming! 22:00:25 Oh, does that Open vSwitch Bridges go to holding pen? 22:00:36 jflory7: Yes, for now 22:00:38 * jflory7 can't remember if we already asked for follow-up on that one, but sees stickster's comment on top 22:00:40 I'll move it over. 22:00:59 #info "Open vSwitch Bridges" moved to holding pen until author has a chance to add more information 22:01:06 #info Reminder: 2 articles posting Friday, 1 Monday, up to 3 on Tuesday, 1 on either Wed/Thu, possibly 1 more ready for Friday 22:01:09 That's an AWESOME week 22:01:13 \o/ 22:01:17 G'night all! 22:01:19 Metrics next week will be exciting :) 22:01:21 #endmeeting