21:00:00 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:00:02 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:03 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:04 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:05 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:32 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
21:00:33 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
21:00:42 <jflory7> o/
21:01:36 <stickster> hiya Justin... thanks for helping with the meeting & publishing while I was at/getting unburied from Summit
21:02:22 <jflory7> Gladly :)
21:02:47 * stickster waits to see if ryanlerch or anyone else shows
21:04:05 <stickster> jflory7: let's just go ahead for now, and he + others can catch up as needed
21:04:14 * jflory7 nods
21:04:14 * stickster has hard stop at 6pm again :-\
21:04:15 <jflory7> Sounds good to me.
21:04:22 <stickster> #topic Recap of last week
21:05:11 <stickster> #info jetpack shows a pretty decent week, over 55K views with trailoff from the release
21:06:03 <stickster> #info Month of June was *almost* to our record high, but didn't quite make it... 259K+ vs 273K+ views
21:06:15 <jflory7> Close. :)
21:06:15 <stickster> but very respectable!
21:06:28 <jflory7> Considering there was a 20 day difference in release dates, though
21:06:29 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts
21:06:46 <jflory7> I think that technically means we continued the upward trend in views / traffic?
21:07:18 <stickster> it's hard to tell with the anomaly of a release, but it looks no worse than level
21:07:25 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending
21:08:11 <jflory7> Hmm, I think one of those is actually a draft
21:08:22 <jflory7> The *.deb => *.rpm one
21:08:44 * jflory7 changes it really fast
21:09:05 <stickster> #info --- Vagrant/DO ---
21:09:09 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13353&preview=true
21:09:31 <jflory7> ryanlerch and kushal were discussing it last night / this morning in #fedora-apps and I caught some of the discussion
21:09:41 <stickster> jflory7: what was the gist?
21:10:17 <jflory7> In terms of introducing Vagrant more, the opening paragraph to the article has links to past articles we've ran and other information to learn more. We thought it would be good to push out, possible for tomorrow.
21:10:42 <stickster> I like the idea of getting something bite-sized out while it's hot
21:10:48 <stickster> +1 on pushing this
21:10:58 <jflory7> +1 to pushing.
21:10:58 <stickster> one quibble... "How to use this plugin?" isn't a great heading
21:11:17 <jflory7> "Using the Vagrant DigitalOcean plugin"?
21:11:21 <stickster> I'd like to do a once-over for the English
21:11:32 <jflory7> I can tackle that if you'd like.
21:11:37 <stickster> "How to use this plugin" without the question mark is fine
21:11:56 <jflory7> Alrighty, sounds good.
21:12:08 * stickster feels like it would be gerat to get together some "let's edit live" cross-training to share some tips with the group
21:12:22 <stickster> jflory7: you're a dynamo
21:12:23 <stickster> jflory7++
21:12:23 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for jflory7 changed to 15 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:12:38 <stickster> #action jflory7 edit this Vagrant/DO article and push for Fri 2016-Jul-08
21:12:53 <stickster> jflory7: If no one's done it in the a.m., I'll do the socials
21:13:02 <stickster> at least FB/Tw/G+
21:13:02 <jflory7> stickster: Sounds like a plan.
21:13:26 <stickster> #topic Drafts
21:13:40 <stickster> #info --- .deb to .rpm ---
21:14:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13572&preview=true
21:14:15 <jflory7> Last week, we agreed we wanted a little more of the "why" and explanation for that one.
21:14:50 <stickster> I have to say, I'm not a huge fan of alien -- it's kind of a hack and not Fedora preferred... but I don't think that's necessarily the bar we should set for things users do
21:15:09 * jflory7 nods
21:15:12 <stickster> It's more like a glorified tarball than a real package
21:15:29 <stickster> Maybe if we could point that out, it would be more acceptable
21:15:31 <jflory7> I think we were going to contact the author, but may have lost that action item from last week.
21:16:19 <stickster> "do this only if you're pressed for time or intend to remove the package afterward or..."
21:16:45 <stickster> jflory7: Should I take that action then?
21:16:58 <jflory7> Sure, that would be great!
21:17:11 <stickster> #action stickster Contact author and ask for some explanation at top, otherwise could probably just write it
21:18:10 <stickster> .fasinfo gmh
21:18:11 <zodbot> stickster: User: gmh, Name: None, email: georg@hasibether.at, Creation: 2014-01-30, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
21:18:14 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_done
21:18:46 <stickster> #info --- Using ssh to remote unlock Luks-LVM at boot ---
21:18:50 <stickster> (same author)
21:19:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13584&preview=1&_ppp=18d34f9372
21:19:42 * jflory7 clicks
21:20:27 <stickster> This one also... encryption is a sensitive subject so I would want to have this checked by someone with a security background. COPRs aren't official, and this article recommends using that as a source for an encryption utility
21:20:55 <jflory7> +1 for having a security-minded person take a read of this one too
21:20:56 <stickster> ¬_¬
21:21:09 <stickster> Maybe puiterwijk has an opinion on this one
21:21:23 <jflory7> The introduction seems to set up the article pretty well, but I have no knowledge on the actual technical part of the article.
21:22:30 <stickster> It looks fairly OK, I'm just a little iffy on publicizing non-official encryption stuff like this without a second opinion
21:23:08 <jflory7> Agreed.
21:23:10 <stickster> "use this unofficial repo to get something that allows remoting into the system to unlock your encrypted stuff" yeesh.
21:23:14 * puiterwijk reads back
21:23:40 <stickster> I mean, it's perhaps a valid use case... maybe?
21:24:03 <puiterwijk> I am personally not in favor of suggesting COPR via magazine at all. It is an unsupported application from the infra team perspective.
21:24:16 <puiterwijk> And if it's for crypto stuff, that depends o nwhat exactly
21:24:23 * puiterwijk looks
21:25:43 <puiterwijk> So, this is preboot environment stuff, I can't see to what extent this package is actually doing crypto.
21:26:15 <jflory7> (Also, Vagrant/DO article reviewed and scheduled for tomorrow)
21:26:20 <stickster> puiterwijk: Occasionally I imagine we will point people to COPR to try new or interesting things.
21:26:57 <puiterwijk> stickster: well, until the COPR folks proceed with moving it forward, I am going to warn everyone every time they bring it up. What you do with my warning is up to you.
21:26:57 <stickster> puiterwijk: But for something like remoting into the system to unlock the LUKS encryption pre-boot, I just don't know
21:27:04 <stickster> puiterwijk: fair enough :-)
21:27:31 <puiterwijk> stickster: well, this package doesn't do real crypto, but as said it's preboot stuff that ties directly into dracut. So I'm.. not sure either
21:28:24 <stickster> puiterwijk: Oh, I see. It basically just runs dropbear SSH pre-boot.
21:28:33 <puiterwijk> My personal opinion is to add a very clear warning that it is not acked by Fedora (please replace "acked" with the proper marketing term)
21:29:31 <puiterwijk> I just get shivers from this entire idea, and even more if it comes from COPR
21:29:38 <stickster> puiterwijk: kind of same here
21:29:58 <stickster> puiterwijk: Maybe this would be better pitched as a "Here's something cool I tried on my system" article as opposed to "HOWTO do this"
21:30:23 <puiterwijk> Yes.. But then you'd need to make very sure it's not... acked. (again, please help me get the marketing term)
21:30:36 <stickster> #action stickster include this article in gmh outreach to see if we can re-focus it, and explicitly point out it's not recommended by Fedora
21:30:57 <puiterwijk> This does remind me that an article about custodia might be interesting
21:31:10 <stickster> puiterwijk: pitch it!
21:31:14 <stickster> :-)
21:31:24 <stickster> #info --- F24 release Sao Paulo ---
21:31:27 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13666&preview=true
21:31:34 <stickster> So this seems like a better fit for communityblog.
21:31:43 * jflory7 agrees
21:31:50 <jflory7> There's already a small log of event reports there already
21:31:59 <jflory7> Would be nice if I could knock this one out with the rest
21:32:03 <jflory7> +1 for moving
21:32:20 <jflory7> I can notify the author about the move.
21:32:28 <stickster> jflory7: awesome, I'm with you
21:32:45 <stickster> #action jflory7 move F24 Sao Paulo release party article to commblog and inform author
21:32:56 <jflory7> Beat me by a couple of seconds :)
21:33:00 <stickster> hee hee
21:33:08 <stickster> #info --- Seafile server on Security Lab ---
21:33:09 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=true
21:33:11 <jflory7> .fas danielamorais
21:33:11 <zodbot> jflory7: danielamorais 'Daniela Marques de Morais' <me.danielamorais@gmail.com>
21:33:18 <puiterwijk> stickster: you good now? OR want more reply from me?
21:33:21 * jflory7 clicks
21:33:36 <stickster> puiterwijk: more than good, and hope we didn't keep you up
21:33:44 <puiterwijk> Okay, great. No worries at all
21:33:50 * stickster knows patrickbot never sleeps, but he does need to recharge sometimes
21:34:13 <puiterwijk> Oh, no worries about that either. I'm still doing audits, so a quick interruption sometimes is useful :)
21:34:29 <stickster> So this Seafile article is super intriguing...
21:34:58 <stickster> and it looks quite complete although I haven't tested the procedure
21:35:09 <jflory7> Same thoughts here
21:35:48 <stickster> There are a couple selinux related things that might need tweaks
21:37:15 <jflory7> Seems like some general formatting / editing work to be done as well.
21:37:24 <stickster> And I see a few comments to the effect of "I'm not sure why this didn't work but <...> fixed it," which seems like a bit of a red flag
21:37:52 <stickster> we need to be careful not to lower our bar to the point where we're basically pushing random stuff at our audience
21:38:25 <stickster> I have a feeling this one could be corrected with a bit of know-how, but I'm not sure when I'll have time
21:38:59 <jflory7> I'm not sure I have the technical chops for this one either
21:39:21 <jflory7> As far as the Seafile and SELinux components go
21:39:35 <stickster> jflory7: I feel like I could do it with a few hours on a lazy weekend, but I don't have any of those this month :-(
21:40:28 * stickster wonders if we could get help from JohnMH, or linuxmodder, or someone who could do a basic runthrough, correct/amend some of the "why this fixes things" bits, and then we could do our editing run
21:40:55 <jflory7> That would be great if someone knew a little bit about it and could add to it.
21:41:04 <jflory7> Or maybe jhogarth too, if he's familiar with it
21:41:08 <stickster> for sure
21:41:09 <linuxmodder> stickster,  sorry was in another cahnnel what now?
21:41:17 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder
21:41:17 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
21:41:35 <stickster> linuxmodder: We're talking about this draft, on running a Seafile server with nginx
21:42:12 <stickster> It looks mostly OK, but there are some boggy parts about adjusting config of SELinux and a couple other things where the author is kind of sketchy on whether he knew what he was doing
21:42:56 <linuxmodder> stickster, link pls  I can surely  take a look
21:43:06 <stickster> linuxmodder: So if someone was able to take an hour to go through the procedure, and correct the article for technical accuracy (doing the right thing, and noting why it's needed in the few places the author wasn't clear)... then we could do normal editing after that
21:43:07 <linuxmodder> at the SElinux at least
21:43:17 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=true
21:43:34 <stickster> or https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=1&_ppp=4c1f622009
21:43:53 <linuxmodder> #action linuxmodder  to look over https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=1&_ppp=4c1f622009 for technical accuracy and report back to the team
21:44:00 <stickster> brilliant, thanks linuxmodder
21:44:02 <stickster> linuxmodder++
21:44:02 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for linuxmodder changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:44:07 <stickster> COOKIES FOR EVERYONE
21:44:42 <stickster> #info --- OpenShift Origin on Fedora ---
21:44:52 <stickster> #info --- Developer mode for Atomic Host ---
21:45:18 <stickster> #action stickster bug ryanlerch about these two articles, no reason they can't be done post-release, just need content
21:45:41 <jflory7> OpenShift one would be pretty cool :)
21:46:21 <stickster> agreed
21:46:32 <stickster> We're still skipping this HDYF for now
21:46:35 <stickster> So...
21:46:46 <linuxmodder> if you need me for anything else ping me  I'm kinda in 3 other things at once atm
21:47:04 <jflory7> Seems like we're pretty sparse for next week
21:47:16 <stickster> np, done for now linuxmodder -- can you just look at that article and then ping us when you're done scratching on it?  Was hoping to publish that maybe Tuesday if possible
21:47:27 <stickster> yeah, we are definitely light
21:47:52 <stickster> If I can get Ryan to work on the OpenShift or the Atomic Host one for Wed or Thu, we'll be not too badly off
21:48:11 <stickster> jflory7: Is JohnMH working on a second container series entry?
21:48:38 <jflory7> stickster: Ahh - I'm not sure, but it would be worth a follow-up. I feel like I recall him saying he had a local copy started at some point.
21:48:48 <linuxmodder> Definately can put cycles to it  before the weekend for a tuesday publish
21:48:53 <jflory7> Can ping him now in -mktg
21:49:30 <jflory7> linuxmodder++ That would be awesome.
21:49:30 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for linuxmodder changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:52:26 <stickster> jflory7: that's cool, we can pursue offline
21:52:33 * jflory7 nods
21:52:36 <stickster> jflory7: can we do AOB now?
21:52:47 <jflory7> AOB?
21:52:53 <stickster> all other biz
21:53:01 <jflory7> Ah, yeah, I see no reason why not :)
21:53:47 <stickster> #topic All other business (AOB, open floor)
21:54:01 <stickster> #info --- Some future work endeavors ---
21:54:22 <stickster> I was fortunate to grab some time with one of the managing editors of opensource.com, which has a big readership
21:54:38 <jflory7> Ohh?
21:54:46 <stickster> she gave me some pointers on ways we might be able to determine *in advance* some good articles to line up
21:55:04 <linuxmodder> opensource.com is  another place I help edit for it does indedd
21:55:21 <stickster> basically, based on search results -- where people are searching for how to do certain things with Fedora, if we write articles directly toward that content it's bigtime Googlejuice
21:55:23 <linuxmodder> the trending metric they use?
21:56:09 <jflory7> I see... that makes sense.
21:56:31 <stickster> there is probably some tool out there for doing this other than using the autocomplete to see what pops up :-)
21:56:54 * jflory7 thought he remembered seeing a place that Google provided for this...
21:57:06 <linuxmodder> its api based
21:57:12 <linuxmodder> twitter has one too
21:57:39 <jflory7> Looks like this might be what I was thinking of
21:57:40 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  seem to remember it being on developer.{twitter,opensource}.com
21:57:41 <jflory7> #link https://www.google.com/trends/
21:57:46 <stickster> very well might be... in any case, it would be a good idea for us to start lining those things up in the "pitch" pile, and then assign them as people come by asking "how can I help?"
21:57:50 <stickster> "well, you can write this article!"
21:59:02 * jflory7 nods
21:59:08 <jflory7> Low-hanging fruit.
21:59:26 <stickster> That was all I wanted to mention :-)
21:59:46 <jflory7> stickster++
22:00:08 <jflory7> Oh, I have one thing I can mention super fast
22:00:11 <stickster> go
22:00:38 <stickster> #agreed team to figure out search mechanism/tool and research some good articles for lining up as pitches
22:00:39 <jflory7> Found out where the spelling check feature was in Jetpack, and I turned that on. It has some useful tips for writing style and a few other things, and can be a helpful guide for someone writing an article.
22:00:47 <stickster> jflory7: That's awesome!
22:00:53 <jflory7> It's in the WYSIWYG editor now, with the spellcheck icon
22:00:55 * stickster didn't know that existed but is happy to hear about it
22:01:11 <jflory7> I have it on the Community Blog, and could never figure out how to get it on the Magazine. Finally found it. :)
22:01:44 <jflory7> Anyways, that's all from me.
22:02:55 <stickster> coolio jflory7
22:03:03 <stickster> So... Thanks for coming everyone!
22:03:06 <stickster> #endmeeting