21:01:26 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:01:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 14 21:01:26 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:01:27 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:01:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:01:30 <stickster> #meetingname magazine 21:01:30 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:01:33 <stickster> #topic Roll call 21:01:35 <stickster> .hello pfrields 21:01:36 <jflory7_> .hello jflory7 21:01:36 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 21:01:42 <zodbot> jflory7_: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com> 21:01:49 <stickster> o/ Justin! 21:02:00 <jflory7_> Hiya! 21:02:12 <stickster> So Justin, tonight I need to depart at :45 21:02:18 * jflory7_ nods 21:02:26 <stickster> so I'm hoping we can skip "last week in review" since there's not much to report :-( 21:02:47 <jflory7_> Yeah, this week has been pretty quiet. I'm +1 to jumping straight into it. 21:02:49 <stickster> *but*... I tried to help with this today: https://fedoramagazine.org/bc-command-line-calculator/ 21:03:22 <stickster> I think we need to get some shorter stuff queued up for ideas 21:03:30 <stickster> and start handing those out as assignments 21:03:42 <jflory7_> stickster++ Agreed. 21:04:38 <jflory7_> It would make it a little easier to keep weeks like this flowing with some content 21:04:46 <stickster> Here are some examples of top searches I found: 21:04:53 <stickster> * How to add a user to sudoers 21:05:16 <stickster> * How to install an RPM 21:06:46 <stickster> * How to download <-- this one is a bit tricky, not sure that's a one article solution 21:07:05 <jflory7_> How to download? 21:07:23 <stickster> yeah, that seems like "How to download Fedora" and I think that's a bit of a rathole 21:07:32 <stickster> (Which Fedora? For what kind of computer? etc.) 21:07:36 <jflory7_> Ohh, okay, gotcha. 21:07:57 <jflory7_> These ideas sound good to me, and definitely something that would be easy for new writers to pick up. 21:07:59 <stickster> However, we could do a quick article for that which basically points to getfedora.org, but also has brief mentions for spins and labs. 21:08:16 <stickster> jflory7_: These are pretty simplistic -- but they will drive a lot of traffic to the magazine for sure. 21:08:26 <jflory7_> I wonder if we could create a new post category for "starter articles", and we could put stubs for new authors to look at and try taking their hand on one. 21:08:36 <jflory7_> Definitely, high searchability :) 21:08:36 <stickster> jflory7_: I don't see why not 21:08:53 * stickster wonders if ryanlerch is around 21:09:06 <jflory7_> That might be helpful for us too so if we think of something, we could drop it in as a new stub and keep it there for a new author. 21:10:45 * ryanlerch is here! 21:10:49 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch 21:10:50 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com> 21:10:53 <ryanlerch> sorry i'm late! 21:11:00 <jflory7_> o/ 21:11:12 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch jflory7_ 21:11:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7_ ryanlerch stickster 21:11:29 <stickster> #info shared some ideas for top searches found on Google 21:11:46 <stickster> #idea make a new post category for "starter articles", and stub out for new authors 21:11:48 <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy 21:11:49 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 21:12:02 <stickster> ^ ryanlerch that's where we're at right now -- there's not much to review, and not much done for this coming week :-( 21:12:05 <ryanlerch> stickster: another simple thing in in this same vein would be to cover some of the gnome-shell extensions 21:12:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: That's not a bad idea either 21:12:48 <stickster> ryanlerch: I did a quickie article today to make sure the magazine wasn't dark for a week 21:12:49 <ryanlerch> that is still very workstaion-centric again though :( 21:13:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: I have an article coming soon from lmacken on using Yubikey with Fedora 21:13:32 <ryanlerch> stickster: ooh, thanks for that! 21:13:32 <stickster> which is more sysadmin-y 21:13:37 <x3mboy> Nice! 21:13:38 <ryanlerch> stickster++ 21:13:38 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for pfrields changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:13:58 <x3mboy> stickster++ 21:13:59 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for pfrields changed to 4 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:14:03 <jflory7_> stickster++ lmacken++ 21:14:03 <zodbot> jflory7_: Karma for lmacken changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:14:35 <stickster> yay cookies 21:15:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: I think if those two new articles on Fedora features (AH developer mode + OpenShift Origin) aren't going to be done, just trash them altogether 21:15:44 <stickster> or pop them in Holding Pen 21:17:12 <stickster> x3mboy: Hey btw, do I recall correctly that you had done an article draft recently? 21:18:03 <x3mboy> stickster: nop 21:18:06 <stickster> ah ok 21:18:11 <stickster> well anyhoo... 21:18:32 <x3mboy> I will do one this weekend, hopefully 21:18:35 <stickster> ryanlerch: jflory7_: So what are some likely candidates for extensions we could cover? 21:18:38 <ryanlerch> stickster: holding pen for now i think! 21:18:41 <x3mboy> But i'm still not sure about it 21:18:43 <stickster> ryanlerch++ 21:18:56 <x3mboy> I'll comment it in the Open Floor 21:19:24 <ryanlerch> i was thikning i might cover the screenshot one in a little more detail 21:19:30 <stickster> #topic Ideas for extensions 21:19:32 <jflory7_> I wish system-monitor was still updated, that was a great one. We could cover some really simple ones, like Caffeine, but that's definitely a stub. 21:19:38 <ryanlerch> also open for suggestions on this one! 21:19:42 <stickster> #idea the enhanced screenshot extesnsion 21:19:57 <stickster> jflory7_: I use Caffeine all the time 21:19:59 <jflory7_> Maybe even an article _about_ extensions? e.g. extensions.gnome.org? 21:20:02 <stickster> I'd be happy to do that 21:20:13 <jflory7_> Perhaps some users aren't aware they can search for extensions there as-is 21:20:17 <nirik> openweather. ;) alternative tab? 21:20:20 <stickster> jflory7_: That's a great idea 21:20:22 <stickster> nirik: also good 21:20:27 <ryanlerch> there are also a few that that packaged in Fedora too 21:20:29 <stickster> #idea How to install a GNOME extension 21:20:30 <jflory7_> AlternateTab is a good one :) 21:20:34 <stickster> #idea Caffeine 21:20:40 <stickster> #idea AlternateTab 21:20:45 <stickster> #idea openweather 21:21:12 * stickster already had https://fedoramagazine.org/work-sprints-with-pomodoro-timer/ 21:21:30 <jflory7_> I also use TopIcons, which adds the legacy tray back to the top menu. 21:21:52 <jflory7_> I was going to say Pomodoro, until I remembered that it was a Magazine article that had me install it in the first place. ;) 21:22:05 * stickster wrote that one! 21:22:44 * nirik notes theres a taskwarrior one, but it's not packaged and might not even be on extensions.gnome.org 21:22:57 <ryanlerch> nirik: ooh! that one is worth a look! 21:23:32 <ryanlerch> nirik: any other ideas for similar articles? -- maybe not gnome extenstions, but things that might be of use to sysadmins? 21:24:21 <jflory7_> Do we actually have a Taskwarrior article? 21:24:49 <nirik> not sure. Perhaps a yubikey for ssh one? nb might be the one for that... 21:24:55 <x3mboy> gnome-shell-extensions didn't work in cinnamon? 21:25:38 <ryanlerch> x3mboy: my guess is maybe -- but probably not very well 21:26:33 <jflory7_> So it turns out the system-monitor extension is updated, but not via extensions.gnome.org anymore. https://github.com/paradoxxxzero/gnome-shell-system-monitor-applet/tree/gnome-3.2 21:26:47 <jflory7_> Wouldn't be a point-and-click guide, but I think this one would turn some views 21:27:06 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: might be worth getting it packaged into fedora 21:27:19 <jflory7_> It's a really nice one 21:27:21 <stickster> jflory7_: I don't think we have a TW article, but I could be wrong 21:27:39 <jflory7_> Even though that banch doesn't seem to be maintained, but master was pushed to in April 21:27:50 <jflory7_> * branch 21:28:14 <stickster> fix for GNOME 3.8? 21:28:16 <stickster> hm 21:28:57 <nb> nirik, I could be presuaded to write such an article 21:29:07 * nb might work on that tomorrow at work if he isn't busy 21:29:10 <ryanlerch> nb++ 21:29:10 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for nb changed to 7 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:29:11 <jflory7_> Yubikey + SSH would be super cool. 21:29:14 <jflory7_> nb++ 21:29:31 <ryanlerch> yeah, some more content like that would be awesome! 21:29:50 <ryanlerch> nb: we are having a bit of a brainstorm here, feel free to throw some ideas down :) 21:30:20 <stickster> nirik: jflory7_: nb: I think lmacken was writing an article about Yubikey already 21:30:30 <nb> oh ok 21:30:32 <stickster> I assigned that to him in a managerial sense :-) draft due next week 21:30:35 <jflory7_> Was it about using it in the desktop or with SSH? 21:30:47 <stickster> jflory7_: He was going to do setup and using it in several contexts 21:30:48 <jflory7_> I think both would be good articles if it's not already being covered. 21:30:52 <jflory7_> Ahhh, I see. 21:31:01 <stickster> jflory7_: I might end up splitting it after the fact, but it will depend on length 21:31:05 <nirik> ah, cool. ;) 21:31:18 <ryanlerch> # idea from nirik OpenWeather https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/750/openweather/ 21:31:19 * stickster told lmacken he would edit it 21:31:47 <stickster> Any other extensions to include? If not we can /topic to another brainstorm 21:31:58 <x3mboy> I never made work any method of authentication in LightDM different than user+password 21:31:59 <stickster> also, can someone volunteer to stub these #ideas out? 21:32:18 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can do that today! 21:32:25 <stickster> cool ryanlerch, thanks! 21:32:39 <ryanlerch> well, austrlaian today :) 21:32:41 <stickster> #action ryanlerch stub out above extension ideas into Pitches 21:32:54 <stickster> ;-) 21:33:09 <stickster> Is cprofitt around? 21:33:30 * stickster notes we have several people who volunteered in the "feedback" section to be interviewed for HDYF 21:33:52 <ryanlerch> stickster: ooh, thanks for checking that! 21:34:04 <jflory7_> I think Charles has checked there in the past, but not sure how recently. 21:34:10 <ryanlerch> we don't get emails from that, so i check it (somewhat) regularly 21:34:34 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: he checked it about a month ago IIRC 21:34:42 * jflory7_ nods 21:35:12 <jflory7_> On the idea of the feedback page... 21:35:40 <jflory7_> It would be convenient if we could get that fedoramagazine-tips email list set up as a private mailing list (to subscribe to), but public for anyone to send to, kind of like how OSDC does it. 21:35:54 <jflory7_> So then people could help add to our idea pool of things they think would be cool to see written about 21:36:05 <jflory7_> But also to socialize the presence / availability of that 21:36:36 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: we have the private email address set up, but the thing we were waiting on was that email from the magazine didnt work 21:36:43 <jflory7_> Ooh, I see 21:36:45 <ryanlerch> this when it was with openshift IIRC 21:36:50 <stickster> jflory7_: Not a bad idea, do you want to file a ticket with infrastructure for that? 21:36:59 <ryanlerch> might just need to chat to puiterwijk to see if we can troubleshoot that 21:37:07 <stickster> orrrrr never mind jflory7_ :-D 21:37:18 <jflory7_> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/208 21:37:40 <ryanlerch> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fedoramagazine-tips@lists.fedoraproject.org/ 21:37:46 <ryanlerch> that was the list created for this 21:38:36 <stickster> Oh I didn't realize that existed either 21:38:48 <ryanlerch> yeah, it has never really been used 21:38:52 <stickster> So what's the next thing that needs to happen? 21:39:33 <ryanlerch> the reason why emails arent coming from the magazine needs to be troubleshot? troubleshooted? 21:39:45 <stickster> yeah 21:39:56 * puiterwijk reads back 21:40:01 <puiterwijk> what do I need to troubleshoot? 21:40:13 <ryanlerch> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/208 21:40:36 <puiterwijk> Oh, okay. That's firewalling and config. Will take care of that tonight 21:40:45 <ryanlerch> puiterwijk: awesome! 21:41:10 <ryanlerch> puiterwijk: we also have fedoramagazine-tips, a private mailing list thta might be good to send all adminy emails to? 21:41:18 <ryanlerch> so we can all read them? 21:41:19 <stickster> Yeah, it's just "fatal: parameter inet_interfaces: no local interface found for ::1" 21:41:25 <puiterwijk> ryanlerch: sure.. 21:41:31 <puiterwijk> stickster: you can ignore that. 21:41:58 <puiterwijk> That means it's trying ipv6, which we don't have in the cloud unfortunately 21:43:05 <stickster> k 21:43:13 * stickster is out of time -- jflory7_ or ryanlerch can you take over? 21:43:36 <stickster> I'm happy to take on an edit or writing task, I'll have at least a few hours this weekend to work on Magazine 21:44:24 <ryanlerch> stickster: NP 21:44:41 * stickster will check back on stuff 21:44:47 <stickster> jflory7_: Could you publish minutes? 21:45:06 <jflory7_> Yes, I can! 21:45:36 <ryanlerch> jflory7_++ 21:45:56 <x3mboy> jflory7_++ 21:46:22 <stickster> thanks! 21:46:24 * stickster vamooses 21:50:33 <jflory7_> Sorry, timed out there for a second 21:50:39 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: what else today for the meeting? 21:50:48 <x3mboy> jflory7_ any other topic? 21:51:08 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder 21:51:09 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org> 21:51:13 <x3mboy> linuxmodder: o/ 21:51:19 <jflory7_> I don't know of any articles needing review right now. We do have the one HDYF article with Dale Raby that can go out whenever we think it's best. 21:51:42 <jflory7_> linuxmodder was thinking the Seafile article wouldn't be salvageable from a compsec perspective, I think. 21:51:42 <x3mboy> Mmm ok 21:51:48 <linuxmodder> jflory7_, any word on your end from mrmittal? 21:52:00 <linuxmodder> OPSEC not compsec 21:52:28 <jflory7_> Outside of that, I think going off of the ideas for easier stubs for new writers is our best bet right now. 21:53:08 <jflory7_> linuxmodder: Ah, I thought you had reached out to him? 21:53:09 <x3mboy> I have a friend, that wrote to the list to start writting for the magazine 21:53:13 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: too easy! 21:53:17 <jflory7_> :) 21:53:22 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, as a general rule having users su - anything is bad juju 21:53:28 <x3mboy> But now he's in FISL 21:53:30 <ryanlerch> i'll stub these out today / yall's tonight 21:53:33 <linuxmodder> I attempted but no dice of yet 21:53:36 <jflory7_> ryanlerch++ 21:53:43 <ryanlerch> linuxmodder: like docker? 21:53:52 <linuxmodder> ryanlerch, huh? 21:54:05 <ryanlerch> nvrmind 21:54:20 <linuxmodder> ryanlerch, what were you talking about ? 21:54:42 <jflory7_> Anyways, not sure if my previous message sent, but I can get the minutes. 21:55:16 <x3mboy> I want to ask something before meeting ends 21:55:31 <jflory7_> x3mboy: Go for it! 21:55:33 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, go 21:55:45 <ryanlerch> https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tools/docker/docker-installation.html 21:55:47 <x3mboy> I have an idea to an article, but i'm not sure if it fits in the magazine 21:55:57 <ryanlerch> linuxmodder: Why can’t I use docker command as a non root user, by default? 21:56:08 <puiterwijk> ryanlerch: because docker does some insecure things 21:56:23 <linuxmodder> ryanlerch, you can but using su - to do so is VERY BAD 21:56:26 <x3mboy> It's kind of tutorial about a home NAS server with fedora workstation 21:56:26 <puiterwijk> ryanlerch: like, it needs to modify iptables, and start new cpgroups 21:57:02 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, best practices is sudo docker then once launched degrade perms to standard user 21:57:21 <jflory7_> x3mboy: I think something about a home NAS server would be a cool idea. 21:57:29 <ryanlerch> linuxmodder: as i said nevermind. i misunderstood your comment 21:57:30 <linuxmodder> so the sudo bit does what puiterwijk said then it goes back to un-privledged 21:57:48 <x3mboy> linuxmodder: what are you talking about? I didn't even know how to install docker 21:57:52 <linuxmodder> jflory7_, that was the route the seafile was intending to go 21:58:12 <linuxmodder> cockpit can too for that matter 21:59:02 <jflory7_> x3mboy: Has your friend signed up to the mailing list yet? Doing the rounds to write a pitch would be best to see it come together. :) 21:59:10 <jflory7_> Sounds like it would be a good idea for an article, I'd like to know more. 21:59:33 <x3mboy> jflory7_: yes he did. He's Rino Roldan (villdalmine) 21:59:48 <jflory7_> Ah, okay, I might have missed his introduction if he posted. 22:00:10 <x3mboy> Yes, I answer him the presentation :D 22:00:12 <jflory7_> Point him over to this guide. He should be able to pen a pitch now. https://fedoramagazine.org/writing-an-article-for-the-fedora-magazine/ 22:00:17 <x3mboy> Ready 22:00:21 <jflory7_> We can handle it from there. :) 22:00:52 <x3mboy> But i'm not sure his status of write in the wordpress, because he's out for a conference 22:01:46 <x3mboy> jflory7_: i will ask how is everything going with this 22:02:05 <jflory7_> If he wants to put a pitch in, he can do it anytime, there's not necessarily a deadline. Whenever he has the time would be great :) 22:02:12 <jflory7_> x3mboy++ 22:02:14 <x3mboy> He's a Latam ambassador, even he was one of the ones who encourage me to do my ambassador application 22:02:32 <jflory7_> :) 22:02:38 <jflory7_> Looks like we're a few minutes over. 22:02:44 <jflory7_> Want to wrap up? 22:02:44 <x3mboy> I'm done 22:02:55 <jflory7_> I don't have anything else either. 22:03:03 <x3mboy> No, i was asking just if a tutorial/how-to article fit the magazine 22:03:15 <jflory7_> x3mboy: Oh! Yeah, definitely. 22:03:57 <jflory7_> I'll assume ryanlerch dived in. We can go ahead and wrap up here now. 22:04:07 <jflory7_> I have to get my bouncer back up and running... 22:04:11 <jflory7_> See you all next week! 22:04:13 <jflory7_> #endmeeting