21:00:10 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:00:14 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:16 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:18 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:19 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:58 <jflory7_> .hello jflory7
21:00:59 <zodbot> jflory7_: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
21:01:20 <jflory7_> Hey all!
21:01:58 <jflory7_> Without a computer today, my laptop is out of commission, at least for now. I might be a little slower than normal to keep up.
21:02:16 <stickster> #chair jflory7_
21:02:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7_ stickster
21:02:20 <stickster> oh you poor guy!
21:02:53 <jflory7_> No worries. I think the power brick fried, so I'm hoping getting a new one will get me back up and running.
21:03:14 <jflory7_> I don't think the laptop itself is dead, or at least, I certainly hope not, heh!
21:03:51 <stickster> Man, that would be a bummer
21:03:58 * stickster wonders if anyone else is going to show up
21:04:38 <stickster> Well, let's plunge in
21:04:43 <jflory7_> Sounds good to me.
21:06:02 <stickster> #topic Last week'
21:06:05 <stickster> #undo
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21:06:08 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
21:06:57 <stickster> #info 11-15 July was substantially down from previous week, 48342 -> 37429 views
21:07:14 <stickster> However, we're on track to do a little better this week
21:07:45 <stickster> Part of that was we only had one article :-(
21:07:53 <stickster> This week we've had several, so that's good
21:08:10 * stickster will have one more going out tomorrow morning
21:08:18 <stickster> #topic Pending review
21:08:24 <jflory7_> The easy pitches should be helpful now - meant to reply to that on the mailing list.
21:08:41 <stickster> #info None in pending review currently
21:08:46 <stickster> jflory7_: agreed!
21:08:51 <stickster> #topic Draft
21:08:58 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft
21:09:50 <jflory7_> Some of these can probably be moved to Holding Pen.
21:10:31 <jflory7_> Like the Seafile one and the LXC one (JohnMH was going to write another one first because of troubles with LXC, if I recall).
21:11:09 <jflory7_> We could move the Dale Raby one to pending review. It's done, but we had the temporary hold on it.
21:11:43 * jflory7_ can't remember about the LUKS and Alien ones
21:12:11 <stickster> jflory7_: linuxmodder said the Seafile one was full of technical issues
21:12:31 <jflory7_> Yeah. Maybe that one should just go to the trash if it can't be salvaged?
21:13:31 <stickster> jflory7_: agreed
21:13:46 <jflory7_> Sounds good to me.
21:13:49 <stickster> jflory7_: But we should let the writer know, and ask if they are willing to do something a little more on point
21:13:55 <stickster> jflory7_: maybe taking one of the easier topics suggested
21:14:15 <jflory7_> Agreed. That could be a good way to direct them towards.
21:15:19 <stickster> jflory7_: The Alien one is a mess too, same issues
21:15:22 <JohnMH> I'm currently working on a Docker article, LXC article is mostly complete but LXC in Fedora seems to be a big buggy and I haven't had time to look into why yet.
21:15:24 <jflory7_> Oh, I have a note about articles coming up in about another two weeks, after we finish up with current ones.
21:15:37 <jflory7_> stickster: we can probably do the same thing with that one then.
21:15:57 <stickster> lmacken: You were going to have a draft of a Yubikey article ready, how's that going?
21:15:58 <jflory7_> JohnMH: we can move the LXC one to the holding pen for revisiting in the future.
21:16:04 <JohnMH> Alright
21:16:23 <jflory7_> JohnMH++
21:16:28 <stickster> JohnMH: yeah, I would recommend going forward with Docker for now for sure
21:16:53 <stickster> JohnMH: do these look familiar at all? https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/lxc/bugs
21:18:04 <JohnMH> No, and I'll report what I've found when I have some free time.
21:18:14 <stickster> JohnMH: right on
21:18:16 <stickster> JohnMH++
21:18:34 <stickster> jflory7_: So just so I can line up meeting minutes appropriately, let me know where I go wrong :-)
21:18:53 <jflory7_> Sure thing!
21:19:08 <stickster> #idea Seafile article: contact author and ask to cover a new assigned topic from our keyword hit list
21:20:10 <stickster> jflory7_: oh, just +1 these so I know I got it right
21:20:18 <jflory7_> +1
21:20:20 <stickster> #agreed Seafile article: contact author and ask to cover a new assigned topic from our keyword hit list
21:20:23 <stickster> #action stickster contact author of Seafile to explain status & give a few topic choices
21:20:31 <jflory7_> Okay, cool, I'll do it as we go :)
21:20:48 <stickster> #idea LXC article -- place in Holding Pen for now, OK per JohnMH
21:20:50 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:20:51 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:20:55 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch
21:20:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7_ ryanlerch stickster
21:20:55 <jflory7_> +1
21:20:56 <ryanlerch> sorry im late!
21:20:57 <stickster> Hi Ryan!
21:21:04 <jflory7_> I actually moved that one over to the Holding Pen already.
21:21:05 <stickster> #agreed LXC article -- place in Holding Pen for now, OK per JohnMH
21:21:10 <jflory7_> So it should be there now
21:21:12 <stickster> #action jflory7_ move LXC to holding pen
21:21:14 <stickster> nice, thanks jflory7_
21:21:18 <jflory7_> Yep!
21:21:34 <jflory7_> Hey ryanlerch!
21:21:37 <stickster> #idea Alien article -- same as Seafile?
21:21:43 <jflory7_> +1
21:22:07 <stickster> ryanlerch: now that you're here... we're trying to clear out cruft of these technically suspect drafts that people did
21:22:32 <stickster> ryanlerch: and instead ask them to do specific articles, giving a choice of say 5 topics so we can start seeding content from that keyword hit list
21:22:58 <stickster> sound oK?
21:23:00 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds like a good plan!
21:23:11 <stickster> #agreed Alien article -- same as Seafile?
21:23:23 <stickster> #action stickster contact alien article author and treat same as Seafile above
21:24:29 <stickster> #info --- LUKS/LVM boot article ---
21:24:41 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13584&preview=1&_ppp=c07a7bb64b
21:25:08 <stickster> This one's actually salvageable, but I think we should put a caveat on it that Fedora does not build the content in COPR and therefore it's proceed at the users's risk
21:25:32 <jflory7_> I remember that too.
21:25:46 <jflory7_> This would be a cool one to get finished up on.
21:26:05 <jflory7_> Could maybe do some cool featured image with "dropbear", heh
21:26:12 <stickster> I think something technical to line up for next Monday or Tuesday would be cool
21:26:20 <jflory7_> +1
21:26:24 * stickster volunteers to inject cautionary stuff
21:26:54 <jflory7_> stickster++
21:27:45 <stickster> #action stickster finish editing SSH/LUKS/LVM boot article and schedule for Monday 2016-Jul-25
21:28:00 <stickster> #info --- HDYF ---
21:28:25 <stickster> #undo
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21:28:28 <stickster> oh wait, that's moved out
21:28:57 <jflory7_> I placed into pending. If I recall, the content was edited, but we just had a hold on publishing because of current events.
21:29:03 <stickster> #topic Pending Review part 2
21:29:06 <stickster> #info --- HDYF ---
21:29:22 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13544&preview=1&_ppp=a454890279
21:29:36 <ryanlerch> these are still getting great resposnes!
21:29:54 <stickster> *sigh, I would have loved not to just bait people with the cover image having a gun in it
21:30:50 <ryanlerch> oh that HDYF
21:31:09 <jflory7_> Hmm, timed out here when I opened the article.
21:31:30 <stickster> jflory7_: try again, working ok here
21:31:50 <lmacken> stickster: ah, it's going. will try and wrap it up tomorrow.
21:31:53 <jflory7_> Oh, I mean this tab closed when I opened the article - hope I didn't miss anything.
21:31:55 <stickster> I was hoping to have some new ones from cprofitt but I don't see any in the pipeline
21:32:03 <stickster> lmacken: Thanks, we could really use it for next week's schedule
21:32:22 <jflory7_> I'm not aware of any currently in progress, or at least that I've seen mention of. He might have some in the queue
21:32:24 <stickster> jflory7_: ha, no worries, nothing substantial
21:32:36 <stickster> and yes, these get great responses
21:32:46 <stickster> and plenty of views
21:33:15 * jflory7_ nods
21:33:39 <jflory7_> For what it's worth, I don't think I did do styling edits on this one, so still does need a touch of editing
21:33:52 <stickster> jflory7_: I noticed that -- are you OK to take that part?
21:34:03 <ryanlerch> should we see if we can get a new cover image?
21:34:15 <stickster> ryanlerch: I would prefer that if possible
21:34:17 <jflory7_> Yep! Once my laptop is back up, it will be an easy one to do
21:34:20 <jflory7_> I would prefer that too
21:34:29 <ryanlerch> just having that up on all social sites might be a bit much
21:34:36 <jflory7_> Yeah
21:34:40 <stickster> I want to see the person, but we're talking about the internet here :-) it's like waving a red cloth at the bull :-D
21:35:21 <ryanlerch> i can't really creatively crop that image either
21:35:42 <stickster> it didn't look amenable, no
21:36:13 <jflory7_> I remember cprofitt saying the interviewee was conscientious of the fact that it could be controversial and was the one that mentioned it to Charles, so it may not be hard to get a different image.
21:38:34 <stickster> that would be great
21:38:50 <stickster> I mentioned in the channel, so hopefully he can work it out and get us a different shot
21:38:58 <stickster> my concern is it takes the focus off Fedora
21:38:59 <jflory7_> Okay, great.
21:39:05 <jflory7_> Yeah, mine too.
21:39:31 <stickster> #topic Pitches
21:39:37 <stickster> #undo
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21:39:40 <stickster> oops, forgot:
21:40:07 <stickster> #action cprofitt try to get a new cover image for HDYF with Mr. Raby, then we'll publish quickly
21:40:12 <stickster> #topic Pitches
21:40:22 <jflory7_> #nick cprofitt
21:40:28 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
21:41:01 <stickster> #info --- LVM snapshots, systemd, and upgrades ---
21:41:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13738&preview=1&_ppp=8520b572c8
21:41:21 <stickster> I can't tell whether this was leftover from last week
21:41:23 <jflory7_> Seems like in the idea phase.
21:41:29 <jflory7_> I don't remember seeing this one.
21:41:35 <stickster> .fas bitwiseoperator
21:41:35 <zodbot> stickster: 'bitwiseoperator' Not Found!
21:41:35 <ryanlerch> seems complicated!
21:42:29 <ryanlerch> .fas controlaltdelete
21:42:30 <zodbot> ryanlerch: controlaltdelete 'Dylan Scott Combs' <dylan.combs@gmail.com>
21:42:34 <stickster> aha!
21:42:42 <jflory7_> Ah, perfect.
21:42:45 <stickster> no idea how we would have found that :-\
21:43:07 <jflory7_> I think he set his name to bitwise - have to look it up in the user list when they do that.
21:43:32 <jflory7_> If I recall…
21:43:42 <jflory7_> When was it last edited?
21:43:43 <ryanlerch> yeah i just looked it up in the magazine interface
21:43:56 * stickster tried and can't find bitwise there
21:43:56 <ryanlerch> you can't change your username, but you can change your display name
21:43:58 <jflory7_> Wonder if he's still working on it since last night or if it's been sitting a few days.
21:44:11 <stickster> oh weird
21:44:12 <ryanlerch> stickster: /me searched for it, and that person came up
21:44:32 <ryanlerch> searched for it in the userlist search
21:44:33 <stickster> yeah, just remembered I could do that -- thanks!
21:44:44 <jflory7_> Last modified on the 17th. Maybe good to see if he's meaning to circle back around to it.
21:44:59 <stickster> ryanlerch: Can you get in touch with him and cc marketing@ ?
21:45:48 <stickster> I guess we should make sure he knows he's approved to go
21:46:34 <stickster> maybe try for a draft by Aug 3?
21:47:19 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^
21:48:18 * jflory7_ has something to bring up before we close out too
21:48:48 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
21:49:13 <stickster> #action ryanlerch email LVM snapshots/systemd/upgrades author to let him know his article is approved, ask for draft in ~2 weeks (by 2016-Aug-03)
21:49:15 <ryanlerch> #action ryanlerch to action the LVM, systemd and upgrades
21:49:18 <stickster> ha
21:49:20 <ryanlerch> #undo
21:49:20 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by ryanlerch at 21:49:15 : ryanlerch to action the LVM, systemd and upgrades
21:49:49 <stickster> I'm going to leave the easy pitches alone, we don't need to action those here other than know when the queue is low
21:49:55 <stickster> cool?
21:50:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds good!
21:50:09 <stickster> #topic All other business (open floor)
21:50:10 <jflory7_> +1
21:50:11 <stickster> go jflory7_ !
21:50:14 * ryanlerch tried to put a bit of info in those pitches
21:50:22 <ryanlerch> to give newbies a kickstart
21:50:32 <jflory7_> Did any of you happen to catch Natalie's email to the list about Flock + press coverage?
21:50:49 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: hmmm, sot yet -- did it happen overnight?
21:50:53 <ryanlerch> overnight for me?
21:51:04 <stickster> Oh, I saw this a couple hours ago but was in the middle of other work and couldn't follow up
21:51:19 <stickster> I feel like having some highlights on the Magazine would be a great idea
21:51:19 <jflory7_> tl;dr: Was asking if press coverage was needed, offered to do pre-write, daily updates, and wrap-up about Flock
21:51:43 <jflory7_> I recommended the pre- and post-evemt write-ups on the Magazine, daily updates on Commblog
21:51:59 <jflory7_> It was probably earlier this week, I think.
21:52:06 <jflory7_> Maybe Tuesday?
21:52:49 <stickster> That sounds like an OK plan to me -- I wouldn't think a "day of" coverage would be able to get enough detail for so many proceedings to make sense to the Magazine audience
21:53:28 <stickster> but a few sentences about, say, Bodhi improvements would be easy for community folks to digest who understand it
21:53:39 <jflory7_> And probably the details don't quite line up with Magazine audience either. Just the summaries. :) Or that was my thought process.
21:53:41 <stickster> ryanlerch: thoughts?
21:53:44 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, and i think we should avoid wholesale "this talk is on here" stuff in the major social media accounts too
21:54:10 <stickster> ryanlerch: that could be really annoying to people who follow, yeah
21:54:23 <stickster> ryanlerch: ISTR we had a flock specific account, but I'm not sure
21:54:41 <jflory7_> I remember that was a bit noisy last year. I don't think tweeting out every session is a good idea
21:54:43 <stickster> ryanlerch: We should make a note to talk to bkp about this to check approach
21:54:45 <ryanlerch> stickster: i was going to make one up for flock2016, but wasnt sure
21:54:49 <jflory7_> A Flock specific account would be cool.
21:55:25 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: you are better tuned to the commblog, but i think we could be spammier ewith posts on ther,e, right?
21:55:38 <stickster> #action ryanlerch stickster talk to jzb and bkp about approach for Flock
21:55:40 <jflory7_> Yeah, def
21:56:05 <jflory7_> I'd love to make some noise on there during Flock :)
21:56:38 <ryanlerch> i added a section tot he bookelt encourganing attendees to email commops list with magazine and commblog pot ideas
21:56:40 <ryanlerch> *post
21:56:57 <ryanlerch> jflory7_: me too!
21:56:59 <jflory7_> ryanlerch++ amazing.
21:57:06 <stickster> eggggscellent
21:57:22 <ryanlerch> i have been working on a website for flocktofedora.org that we can change to a day before flock
21:57:44 <ryanlerch> more focussed on attendees atually at flock
21:57:51 <jflory7_> Ooh
21:57:53 <stickster> So for next week, I think our plan so far is:  Monday -- SSH/LUKS/LVM; Wednesday -- hopefully lmacken Yubikey article; Friday -- ? maybe HDYF
21:57:58 <ryanlerch> so we can add all the relevant social network stuff in there
21:58:08 <stickster> it looks great, ryanlerch
21:58:28 * stickster notes people can see it at https://pagure.io/fork/ryanlerch/fedora-websites
21:58:41 <jflory7_> +1 stickster
21:58:54 <ryanlerch> stickster: i couldnt find an easy way to make a quick stage of it on myt webhost
21:59:06 <ryanlerch> so people will have to run it loclly :(
21:59:17 <ryanlerch> stickster: magazine plan++
21:59:27 <ryanlerch> i have one last thing for the open floor
21:59:40 <ryanlerch> ah, actually i better not
22:00:14 <jflory7_> Such suspense! :)
22:00:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: no worries
22:00:30 <stickster> awww suspense
22:00:40 <stickster> the one night I have 15 minutes extra to spare
22:00:45 <ryanlerch> :)
22:01:01 <ryanlerch> sorry
22:01:24 <stickster> OK, I'll save mine too which was just about those keyword things. I'm going to start putting some in the Easy Pitches
22:01:29 <stickster> <eof>
22:02:01 <stickster> Well I guess we'll end here then -- thanks ryanlerch and jflory7_, and JohnMH too!
22:02:04 <stickster> #endmeeting