21:00:00 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:00 Meeting started Thu Sep 1 21:00:00 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:00 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:02 #meetingname magazine 21:00:02 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:03 #topic Roll call 21:00:04 .hello pfrields 21:00:05 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:00:26 .hello puiterwijk 21:00:27 puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick "マルタインアンドレアス" Uiterwijk' 21:00:58 .hello jforbes 21:00:59 jflory7: jforbes 'Justin M. Forbes' 21:01:02 .hello jflory7 21:01:03 Whoops 21:01:03 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:01:16 Sorry jforbes. 21:02:37 .hello ryanlerch 21:02:41 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' 21:02:42 .hello downey 21:02:44 downey: downey 'Michael Downey' 21:02:45 .hello cprofitt 21:02:49 cprofitt: cprofitt 'Charles Profitt' 21:02:51 sorry i'm a bit late! 21:02:58 #chair puiterwijk jflory7 ryanlerch downey cprofitt 21:02:58 Current chairs: cprofitt downey jflory7 puiterwijk ryanlerch stickster 21:03:09 woop woop! nice crowd! 21:03:21 #topic Last week in review 21:03:24 Hey everyone! 21:03:45 hello jflory7 21:04:00 morning stickster jflory7 cprofitt downey 21:04:14 Hi ryanlerch ! 21:04:18 hi ryanlerch :) 21:04:28 hey jflory7 ryanlerch cprofitt stickster * 21:04:35 #info according to stats... Week of Aug 22 down slightly from Aug 15, but not below levels previously in Aug 21:05:19 We have two articles so far this week, hopefully a third tomorrow 21:05:24 To wit... 21:05:28 #topic Pending review 21:05:33 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending 21:06:21 #info === How to encrypt your fs === 21:06:23 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13584&preview=1&_ppp=2693538235 21:06:23 .fas x3mboy 21:06:24 x3mboy_: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 21:06:40 #chair x3mboy_ 21:06:40 Current chairs: cprofitt downey jflory7 puiterwijk ryanlerch stickster x3mboy_ 21:06:49 Sorry, I change connections and I get disconnected 21:07:07 #info This is the split encryption article discussed last week, part 1 of 2. 21:07:12 just moved Akinsola Akinwale:HDYF to pending 21:07:48 downey++ 21:08:06 I read this article, seems ok to me 21:08:25 downey: This is looking really good. 21:08:27 Part 2 of 2 still needs some work ... Georg is supplying more content I think 21:08:43 Should be ready next week. 21:08:58 stickster: thanks 21:09:12 * stickster would recommend waiting until part 2 is in before we publish something that says "part 1" 21:09:32 Oh wait, this doesn't! Neat. We should be able to just go for it then :-) 21:09:42 Yeah, will just link back to "previously we discussed..." 21:09:52 downey++ 21:09:52 stickster: Karma for downey changed to 8 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:09:52 This looks very nicely organized and content seems good. 21:10:00 downey++ 21:10:06 shall we set a date? 21:10:07 Do we want to send this one out tomorrow morning? 21:10:15 jflory7: I'd be totally for that 21:10:31 * ryanlerch is just trying to file a ticket for the feautured image for this one 21:10:36 it still needs a featured image ... I wasn't sure on the process for that :) 21:10:42 Me too. We'll just need a featured image for it. :) 21:10:45 pagure is being slow 21:11:03 Gotcha. ryanlerch, do you want to lay dibs on this one or open for someone else? 21:11:03 ryanlerch: oh right -- and yeah downey, ryanlerch is doing the necessary right now... basically file a ticket at https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images 21:11:14 gotcha 21:11:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images/issue/35 21:12:38 Does anyone want to take this image ticket? 21:12:59 * jflory7 can, but will have to get it later tonight 21:13:00 * ryanlerch just assigned it to himself 21:13:04 ryanlerch++ 21:13:09 ha 21:13:11 ryanlerch++ 21:13:11 i can do it first up after the meeting! 21:13:16 Awesome :) 21:13:29 #action ryanlerch doing the featured image for fs encryption article 21:13:31 ryanlerch++ 21:13:39 FWIW, I think I'll be able to get set up to help with images after my vacation week 21:13:40 #action ryanlerch schedule for 8 UTC tomorrow 21:13:47 stickster: Want to cover jzb's article next? I was about to publish this one now. 21:13:48 downey: that's awesome! 21:13:53 jflory7: sure! 21:14:01 downey++ downey++ downey++ Awesome news! :) 21:14:11 #info === new FCAIC announcement === 21:14:24 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14360&preview=1&_ppp=7ad64289bf 21:14:52 jflory7: thanks. I think this one needs a new featured image too -- the one there is out of fashion methinks 21:15:01 stickster: It's also an incorrect size. 21:15:03 stickster: yeah, and small 21:15:07 jflory7++ 21:15:09 yeah, esp. that 21:16:06 someone want to file the ticket for this, or should we jfdi? 21:16:17 Is this ok for Magazine? It looks like it fit better in CommBlog 21:16:17 If we want to do a new featured image, I think a cool one for this would be the group photo at Flock, with a blur over it and maybe the Fedora logo on top, similar to the old Flock image we were using for a long time 21:16:34 jflory7++ 21:16:34 stickster: i'd go no image before using the small one TBH 21:16:41 x3mboy: I think this is a big announcement, so I am personally +1 to the Magazine. 21:17:02 ryanlerch: Oh here's a great Flickr CC picture for leader... even with a blue element :-) 21:17:09 do all commblog readers also read magazine? 21:17:09 https://www.flickr.com/photos/olsenart/12556514904/in/photolist-k8zqqh-dkaGtD-7Gw6N3-9gV9XR-EnoRFv-dXEJQP-2AUuj-3s87sF-872Wot-dMtK3K-bXWbNS-bXW59C-oqXRoS-uYM7d-bBKCU1-9WZD1e-mwvGv-o9uPaj-JiDRE-ohwDF-6HYRyH-aQTygk-oqMbhC-5jKXxC-7TTTrB-jGjohk-jCEEfz-6zsqaf-bq35wt-kg5TyX-5MwpuJ-ooXyzN-oqXWc9-bXVZ5w-bq34oZ-bq36We-bq36aR-7ABcUC-9YPeke-9YPfeX-9YS7sY-bq34Yv-pfgacn-9YRYSd-did31-pUs255-8nxtFY-sb5qq-pUDwSD 21:17:15 -8nxhM1#undefined 21:17:18 oh bugger 21:17:20 sorry guys 21:17:20 https://www.flickr.com/photos/olsenart/12556514904/ 21:17:41 stickster: the bad thing about that image is that the blue ball is about to get hit by the cue stick :) 21:17:44 stickster: Ooh, I like that one :) 21:17:46 downey: I suspect so, but we can't be sure 21:17:55 downey: that's also quite apt ;-) 21:17:56 ^ was about to say the same. 21:17:58 anyway, just wondering if cross-posting would overdo it? 21:18:05 (said the former FPL) :-D 21:18:19 downey: We've cross-posted before, so I could do a pointer on the CommBlog. 21:18:22 both users & contributors will probably want to know 21:18:25 yeah, no worries on that 21:18:45 stickster: To the earlier question, I would opt for a jfdi :P 21:19:02 So this is an ASAP article... I wonder if we should exempt ryanlerch so he can whip up an image quickly 21:19:16 he's so much faster than everyone else, I suspect 21:19:19 yeah, wokring on it now 21:19:35 would it be good to grab a pic of bexelbie ? 21:19:36 ryanlerch: you're such a boss 21:20:30 ryanlerch: Woot! 21:20:51 #action ryanlerch create featured image on the double 21:21:06 #action jflory7 publish ASAP once image received 21:21:14 should we go to the next? 21:21:33 +1. 21:21:34 #info === Building the Fedora kernel === 21:21:35 just going to go super simple 21:21:37 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14011&preview=1&_ppp=eca7997092 21:21:44 KISS principle! 21:21:45 * jflory7 will leave the editor lock open to ryanlerch to publish as soon as ready 21:21:52 coolio 21:22:19 I think we originally discussed publishing this one on Monday. 21:22:27 Me too 21:22:36 Content seems great, maybe just a few headers to organize it a bit. 21:22:43 But I think is a little flat 21:22:59 Just text and commands 21:23:05 The content is really good 21:23:10 #info stickster just filed https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images/issue/36 21:23:13 * jflory7 could probably grab a screenshot or two 21:23:18 Should the commands be changed to
 for more contrast-y CSS?
21:23:20  I think I can take this one on.
21:23:21  But maybe some titles and screenshots
21:23:46  jflory7++
21:24:21  downey: Yeah, probably for this, since it's in a block-y format
21:24:47  stickster: Q: Will we want to publish on Labor Day or skip?
21:24:48 * stickster just knocked the 
s in there
21:24:56  Excellent
21:25:08  So ~80% of our readership is USA
21:25:09  Labor Day where?
21:25:21  Oh Labor Day on USA???
21:25:22  I would love to make the overall #s go up, and that one go down ;-)
21:25:36  x3mboy: Labor Day is a US holiday celebrated this coming Monday.
21:25:48  x3mboy: long weekend in USA ... our labor day is in september rather than march to prevent protests :)
21:26:01  stickster: Agreed. But for now, seems like we'll probably just want to schedule for Tuesday.
21:26:13  stickster, I think you put 
 wrapping  tags
21:26:23  yeah, fixed
21:26:34  stickster++
21:26:42  jflory7: agreed
21:26:48  #agreed Publish this one Tuesday
21:26:53  Okay, cool, I can take this one for a Tuesday morning publication.
21:27:17  #action jflory7 Edit, review, and create featured image for labbott kernel article, to be published on 2016-09-06
21:27:24  booful!
21:27:37  labbott++
21:28:12  wow, bexelbies job title is a mouthful
21:28:16  #info === T-Shirt lineup expansion ===
21:28:18  #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14234&preview=1&_ppp=7746609fbb
21:28:43  FYI, that text at the top needs pulled out and inserted into the previous article when this one gets published.
21:29:15  Gotcha
21:29:17  ryanlerch: You might be able to get away with shortening it to "Community Lead" (FCL)
21:29:41  Ah, shoot, ryanlerch tasked me to review this one and I lost track of it
21:30:17  jflory7: no worries, it's low priority
21:30:46  This should probably go out tomorrow too
21:30:59  I'll take this one for tonight and get it scheduled
21:31:05  I'll aim for the afternoon
21:31:11 * stickster did a quick style edit
21:31:27  stickster: too much bold? :)
21:31:49  #action jflory7 Do quick review and schedule for 2016-09-02 in the (USA) afternoon
21:31:49  Usually we hold on to that for very specific phrases or a warning
21:31:58  stickster: gotcha
21:32:04  jflory7: So what does our schedule look like now?
21:32:45  Tonight: FCAIC; tomorrow morning: encrypted fs; tomorrow afternoon: T-shirt
21:32:53  Tuesday: Kernel
21:32:55  (Now: FCL announcement) (Friday: How to encrypt your FS; new t-shirt resizing) (Monday: --) (Tuesday: Build the kernel)
21:32:57  is that right?
21:33:03  yup cool
21:33:24  I'm wondering if it would be better to maybe bump the FS article to Tuesday or Wednesday instead, to give the t-shirt news some more space.
21:33:26  #info === HDYF ===
21:33:48  I think more news is never bad news
21:34:10  cprofitt is once again hard at work on another great interview... I'd be happy to take the editing on this one and sched for Wed
21:34:35  True – I always feel like it would be better to be a little heavier at the start of the week than at the end, but I have no metrics / proof to confirm that feeling. ;)
21:34:39  cprofitt++
21:34:50  jflory7: tshirt seems more weekend-y than encryption
21:36:12  I'd be cool with both of these going out... more hits is good
21:36:12  Heh, maybe building the publishing schedule should be the last thing we do in a meeting... :)
21:36:17  heh
21:36:25  Anyways, for this HDYF, I'm +1 for a Wednesday publication for now.
21:36:40  We can stick to encryption and t-shirts for tomorrow
21:36:56  It's not like we have a shortage for content at the moment anyways :)
21:36:59  cprofitt: does that sound good for you?  I'm betting you're close to done on that anywa
21:37:34  #action stickster edit, image-ize, and publish HDYF on Wed 2016-Sep-07
21:37:40 * stickster goes for it :-)
21:38:00 * jflory7 doesn't foresee any objections :)
21:38:08  #topic Drafts
21:38:12  #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:38:43  #info stickster needs to follow up with SELinux team on their article, his bad
21:39:03  #info Yubikey article is unlikely to get done at this point, would recommend holding pen
21:39:16  #info For the draft encryption article mentioned earlier, it's is a kind of follow-up to the encrypted FS article. still some content from Georg to come and then editing/cleaning itu p
21:39:34  and that's been touched recently, so that's cool
21:39:58  Excellent - so that's 3/5 drafts
21:39:59  #action stickster break out one of the short sections from Sylvia's security tips article, and move to Pending Review for next Thu meeting
21:40:08  s/3/4
21:40:13 * stickster just jumped in with that since it's been back-burnered too long
21:40:25  I have to go, sorry for my early ending
21:40:35  I will wait for the logs
21:40:35  Sounds good to me. I'm a little behind on the list right now so I'm not sure where that was standing.
21:40:41  x3mboy: Okay, thanks for coming out!
21:40:43  thanks x3mboy -- have a good one!
21:40:43  x3mboy: See ya soon.
21:40:58  See ya
21:41:08  jflory7: it's kind of in flux, but I'll follow up on list with detailed info on what I'll pull out for a first article
21:41:17 * jflory7 nods
21:41:22  jflory7: That leaves one other draft
21:41:25  Yep
21:41:32  #info === pgsql 9.5 ===
21:41:49  https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14181&preview=1&_ppp=02bb816352
21:41:55  This was one of the split-up version of what was once a larger article, right?
21:42:13  Mmmmmaybe?
21:42:45  Would someone not already #action'd like to take on the English wordsmithing here?
21:42:49  I have a memory of a really long but well-written post on Postgre, but I remember voting to split it up. This seems nice, short, and succinct.
21:43:06  Oops, but looks like a WIP
21:43:10 * jflory7 just hit the bottom
21:43:21  Oops, yeah
21:43:28  this is really a draft, not ready for review yet
21:43:48  #action stickster follow up with hhorak to see if he'll finish this article
21:43:55  +1
21:44:14  I think that's it for drafts
21:44:32  #topic Pitches
21:44:34  #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
21:44:41  We have some pitches-like-drafts in here, though :)
21:44:50  Ah, lookee here, *that's* the new pgsql article
21:44:52  I see the other part of the Postre article
21:44:53  Heheh
21:45:12  jflory7: *This* one looks reviewable
21:45:15  Agreed
21:45:36  Would someone not already #action'd like to take on the English wordsmithing here?
21:46:05 * downey volunteers
21:46:29  To confirm we're talking about this one? https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14346&preview=true
21:46:40  \o/
21:46:41  Yep!
21:47:10  Yep, will work on it.
21:47:28  #action downey take editing duty on Postgresql Quick Start article
21:47:37  #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14346&preview=true
21:48:16  I think unless the Firefox article is ready by next meeting, this article can be for next Friday
21:48:29  agreed
21:48:37  jflory7: i'll be sure to have it ready to review by this meeting next week
21:48:42  +1
21:48:51  #info tentatively schedule pgsql quick start for Fri 2016-Sep-09
21:50:10 * ryanlerch is back
21:50:44  #info === grub2 ===
21:50:55  #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14323&preview=1&_ppp=48cbab2f41
21:51:14  I think this article is more like pending review status. It looks like a lot at first, but I just think it needs markup - headers, code blocks, etc. to improve readability
21:51:16  This one's a bit of a grab bag... it's quite dense with technical stuff, which is fine, but it needs someone to do the fact checking
21:51:26  Definitely need technical editor for this.
21:51:33  agreed, but it's great coverage
21:52:37  I like the scope of it - I think a grub article will be good. :)
21:52:39  yeah +1 on concept and inital execution form me
21:53:08  I could take on the wordsmithing editing if we could match up with a grub-savvy tech editor.
21:53:37  It's not clear to me what the goal of the article really is... but i like the idea of having a grub intro
21:54:02  I wonder if pjones would be willing to look at it once it's more readable
21:54:07  downey: yeah i think a grub intro by itself is a good thing
21:54:22  stickster: was just typing that same thing out
21:54:27  :)
21:54:35  understanding its role and what it does, and maybe how to install as necessary
21:54:49  I'm totally willing to read things that seem readable.
21:55:06  haha
21:55:19  pjones: OK, we'll ping once it's ready -- probably middle of next week-ish?
21:55:29  it's jflory7 who's doing that part, fyi
21:55:38 * jflory7 nods
21:55:43  #action jflory7 wordsmith the grub2 article
21:55:49  pjones++
21:55:49  jflory7: Karma for pjones changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:55:54  pjones++
21:55:55  stickster: Karma for pjones changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:55:56  COOKIE PARADE
21:56:10  stickster: sure, sounds good
21:56:21  So there's also a Firefox article in the works...
21:56:36  pjones++
21:56:36  ryanlerch: Karma for pjones changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:56:38  I feel like our next week is pretty mapped out, can we cap off with a schedule reminder?
21:56:52  Ah, yeah, we're almost at the tail-end
21:56:57  the best part of cookie parade is the constant pings
21:57:15  There was the Hubs article in the queue, and that's one I wanted to take - but probably would be published a little far out from now.
21:57:28  I can reach out to devyani7_ on that one with an update.
21:57:58  jflory7: yeah, the whatishubs would be good for magazine IMHO
21:58:15  the how to hack on it, maybe not so much -- commblog maybe?
21:58:16  I was trying to decide on whether CommBlog or Magazine for it, but I think Hubs is at a place where we can do some showing off and telling what's coming in the future of the project.
21:58:37  I think this is right, jflory7 et al. confirm --> #info Tonight: FCAIC (DONE!); tomorrow/Friday: T-shirts + fs encryption; Tuesday: kernel; Wednesday: HDYF; Friday: Pgsql Quickstart
21:58:38  ryanlerch: Yeah, agreed - the angle would need some adjustment, but overall Hubs coverage I'm down for.
21:58:50  stickster: :100:
21:59:12 * jflory7 notes he has one update for AOB
21:59:26  
21:59:39 * ryanlerch too
21:59:47  #info Publishing schedule --- Tonight: FCAIC (DONE!); tomorrow/Friday: T-shirts + fs encryption; Tuesday: kernel; Wednesday: HDYF; Friday: Pgsql Quickstart
21:59:51  #topic Open floor
21:59:54  GO!
21:59:56  stickster++
22:00:01  So, this one is exciting :)
22:00:28  !
22:00:37  sayan is looking into the possibility of adding fedmsg integration to the CommBlog + Magazine, which would automate the awarding of badges! If it's successful, I think we should expand Extra! Extra! into a series based on quantity of articles authored.
22:00:48  WOOP WOOP
22:00:56  sweet
22:01:00  sayan++
22:01:00  stickster: Karma for sayanchowdhury changed to 12 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
22:01:06  sayan++
22:01:14  Definitely worthy of a WOOP WOOP!
22:01:24  Anyways, that's all I wanted to mention, just to keep you all on the same page :)
22:01:30  awesome
22:01:45  I think someone else had an item too?
22:01:48  me :)
22:01:51  ryanlerch and downey.
22:01:56  sayan: hum.... you know that that's going to be tricky to do given that magazine is outside of phx2?
22:02:00  (well network-wise...)
22:02:42  downey: go ahead
22:02:42  ryanlerch / downey: I think whoever is ready can go right ahead ;)
22:02:44  So in the non-Fedora meeting I was in just before this, we were talking about editorial fodder for opensource.com. They have a cool idea that I just wanted to share for consideration ... a monthly email going out with suggestions for potential content for the existing rank of writers to consider & inspire them to write more.
22:03:08  idk if it would work well here, but it seemed like a cool idea and was fresh in my mind, so i promised to share it
22:03:12  puiterwijk: sounds like a discussion we need to have in #fedora-apps tomorrow then :-)
22:03:40  #idea Sending out a monthly email with writing topic ideas to inspire new authors to write for the Magazine and inspire them to contribute
22:03:47  I see that email every month too
22:03:59  jflory7: i wondered if you might :)
22:04:00  downey: That sounds like a pretty awesome thing to me. Would you be able to write up a list email to explain how it might work? I mean, if there are plugins or something we can use to help
22:04:15  jflory7 can probably grab an example
22:04:17  Automation tools are always helpful \o/
22:04:45  love it
22:04:47  ryanlerch: go ahead
22:05:19 * ryanlerch was considering doing a small newsy article covering the neat new things in nautlius in 3.22
22:05:28  downey: Drop a line on the Magazine list so we can discuss it a little further, I think it would be cool to do if we can sustain it (maybe just better amplifying our starter pitches every month).
22:05:48  puiterwijk: plan is to add it to planet fedmsg messages and then filter the community blog posts while writing the badge rules.
22:06:03  the thing was, i was just considering linking to this post, with a bit of buffer text on how to try out the new features in Fedora
22:06:04  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/quick-look-new-features-nautilus-3-22
22:06:24  more just aksing if anyone cares if i link to that from the magazine
22:06:43 * jflory7 has no objections
22:07:03  I think we had a discussion about mentioning / linking content from other distros a week or two back as well.
22:07:15  ryanlerch: is that by trying in Rawhide, or something else?
22:07:18  it's good content, and i don't think re-writing it with similar content is useful or friendly to the work joey does on OMGubuntu
22:07:27  ryanlerch: oh wait, we have this in F25 Alpha
22:07:33  Sorry I was counting my GNOME releases wrong
22:07:41  So that's the point ^^ I get it
22:07:42  If it's relevant and adds to us telling to the story of Fedora, then I see no issue.
22:07:42  stickster: i was going to investigate, but prolly alpha or maybe a flatpak
22:07:54 * stickster OK with that
22:08:54  okies, shoudl have a draft thorugh today -- will email the magazine list when done
22:09:36  +1
22:09:43  Sounds great to me!
22:10:06  that's all from me
22:10:20  Love it
22:10:24  OK, anyone else?
22:10:45  Nothing from me :)
22:10:52 * jflory7 is social-media-izing the FCL announcement
22:11:41  jflory7: awesome! thanks!
22:11:43  OK, I guess we'll close out then, thanks for coming, everyone!
22:11:46  #endmeeting