21:00:00 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:00:01 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:03 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:04 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:04 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
21:00:05 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:08 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
21:00:39 <jflory7> Hiya!
21:00:46 <stickster> o/
21:01:06 <stickster> jflory7: I'm going to just barrel on ahead today, trying to turn over a "get started on time" leaf :-)
21:01:09 <stickster> #chair jflory7
21:01:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 stickster
21:01:14 <stickster> #topic Last week review
21:01:17 * jflory7 nods
21:01:20 <jflory7> Go for it!
21:01:51 <jflory7> I mentioned the meeting time to Anupama, so she might also join later on too.
21:02:23 <stickster> #info Oct-03 weekly stats down slightly, 38.9k views. September monthly stats were good, October off to a bit of a slow start
21:03:07 <stickster> #topic Pending review
21:03:31 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
21:03:46 <stickster> #info important note... stickster has already scheduled FreeOrion post for Friday Oct-14
21:04:21 <stickster> #info --- Grub2 ---
21:04:24 <jflory7> Hey Anupama! Welcome!
21:04:24 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14701&preview=1&_ppp=4dbe7f8790
21:04:32 <stickster> #chair Anupama
21:04:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: Anupama jflory7 stickster
21:04:33 <jflory7> stickster: I can give a quick update on this one.
21:04:40 <Anupama> Hello
21:04:41 <stickster> go 4 it!
21:05:19 <jflory7> #info Article reviewed last night and put out for a technical review - received feedback off-list from a few different people. ryanlerch created a featured image, so pending minor changes, this article should be good to ship at any time next week.
21:05:43 <stickster> jflory7++
21:05:51 <stickster> Awesome, shall we say Monday 8 UTC?
21:06:15 <jflory7> Hmmm...
21:06:19 <jflory7> Depends on the Raspberry Pi article.
21:06:33 <jflory7> I think that one could make a big kick-off for the week. We could revisit scheduling at the end.
21:06:53 <stickster> ah yes
21:07:10 <stickster> pbrobinson: if you can finish up the RasPi article, we'd definitely prefer to do that first thing next week
21:07:35 <jflory7> stickster: I haven't had a chance to look at since I spoke to him this morning, but he was aiming to have it complete by the meeting time, I think.
21:07:36 <stickster> OK, so most important point... Grub2 ready and on deck
21:07:37 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:07:40 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:07:56 <jflory7> Yes, GRUB2 is indeed ready (finally).
21:07:59 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch
21:07:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: Anupama jflory7 ryanlerch stickster
21:08:00 <jflory7> Hey ryanlerch!
21:08:03 <ryanlerch> jflory7++
21:08:04 <pbrobinson> stickster: I'll look at it tonight/tomorrow morning if that's OK?
21:08:15 <stickster> pbrobinson: not just OK, it's beautiful
21:08:20 <stickster> it's all coming together...
21:08:26 <ryanlerch> pbrobinson: i sitll need to do the featured image for it
21:08:27 <jflory7> Then we could have a strong start to next week. :)
21:09:00 <stickster> OK, sounds like we have a plan, so moving on then...
21:09:08 <stickster> #info --- Atom editor ---
21:09:17 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14863&preview=1&_ppp=d49acbfea1
21:10:24 <stickster> This is Anupama's article?
21:10:33 <jflory7> Yep!
21:10:45 <stickster> I can take on editing one thing for next week at thisp oint
21:10:50 <stickster> any objections?
21:10:58 <jflory7> I have none!
21:11:15 <Anupama> nope
21:11:17 <ryanlerch> none here
21:11:20 <stickster> #action stickster edit the Atom article and create featured image for release next week
21:11:23 <jflory7> anupama++ Thanks for answering the writing call on the mailing list for this one :)
21:11:29 <stickster> Anupama++
21:11:34 <ryanlerch> Anupama++
21:11:51 <jflory7> I think FAS doesn't recognize the capital 'A' yet.
21:11:58 <jflory7> s/FAS/zodbot
21:12:00 <stickster> anupama++
21:12:00 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for anupama changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:12:00 <ryanlerch> anupama++
21:12:03 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for anupama changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:12:07 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY
21:12:07 <jflory7> There we go :)
21:12:30 <ryanlerch> pbrobinson++
21:12:30 <Anupama> hehe... Thank you :)
21:13:13 <jflory7> pbrobinson++ too, although I'm pretty sure I also gave him cookies this release. :)
21:13:17 <stickster> https://media.giphy.com/media/pN6Jvdh6BwSEE/giphy.gif
21:13:26 <stickster> haha that will make the minutes
21:13:27 <jflory7> stickster++
21:13:36 <jflory7> Worth it :P
21:13:45 <pbrobinson> brilliant :)
21:14:02 <Anupama> good one :p
21:14:11 <stickster> #info --- Inkscape: Getting started ---
21:14:12 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14922&preview=1&_ppp=64dbb43a91
21:14:16 <jflory7> Ahh, a note about the two Inkscape articles coming up
21:14:21 <jflory7> This is intended to be part of a series
21:14:26 <jflory7> The "Getting started" one is pt. 2
21:14:30 <stickster> Oh!
21:14:35 <jflory7> "Design your imagination" is intended to be pt. 1.
21:14:38 <stickster> #undo
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21:14:40 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 21:14:11 : --- Inkscape: Getting started ---
21:15:01 <stickster> #info --- Inkscape: design your imagination ---
21:15:03 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14921&preview=1&_ppp=48fef08aa5
21:15:10 <jflory7> These were originally drafted in the Community Blog, but thought they would be better fit in the Magazine.
21:15:50 <stickster> jflory7: Hm, the content seems to be backward
21:16:00 <jflory7> Ohh, really?
21:16:03 <stickster> the DYI article has a procedure for drawing some specific pictures
21:16:09 <jflory7> Maybe *I'm* reversed
21:16:22 <stickster> Well never mind, let's just go with this one for now :-)
21:16:30 * jflory7 nods
21:16:40 <jflory7> I can probably take the first part of this series.
21:16:46 <ryanlerch> yeah, the one with the wallpaper is first, right?
21:17:11 <stickster> maybe?
21:17:21 <jflory7> Yeah, looking through them now, the "Getting started" one definitely looks to be better for a pt. 1
21:17:30 <jflory7> Introducing the layout / menus / etc.
21:17:40 <stickster> ryanlerch: it's hard to tell, because launching right into a procedure seems a little weird for an intro
21:18:07 <ryanlerch> the layout/menu one is pretty focused just on layers at the moment
21:18:34 <ryanlerch> which IMHO is more of a advanced topic
21:18:44 <stickster> I think whichever of these is part 1 could use a little more gentle intro on vector graphics in general
21:18:47 * jflory7 thinks he should read the full details before making a call - I see this now too
21:19:08 <jflory7> Perhaps it would be better to rebrand the "Getting started" one as an intro to layers since it focuses a lot on that.
21:19:10 <stickster> I like the idea of an Inkscape overview
21:19:15 <stickster> jflory7++
21:19:43 <ryanlerch> yeah, i like it too!
21:19:47 <jflory7> The "Design your imagination" one would be good to kick off the series (I also believe a2batic was planning on more of these) and help introduce Inkscape.
21:20:30 <jflory7> I'd be willing to take the "Design your imagination" one for review for late next week
21:21:19 <stickster> jflory7: Yeah, I know you have some Inkscape experience, but maybe you could put your Inkscape-newbie hat on and see if we could spruce up the beginning a bit
21:21:25 <stickster> it gets down in the weeds pretty quickly
21:21:53 <stickster> and some of the procedure gets hard to follow as I read along
21:21:53 <jflory7> Heheh, yeah, I'm definitely still in the newbie category. For the featured images, you and ryanlerch have made it almost too easy to make them :P
21:22:04 <jflory7> I could definitely help add that perspective here
21:22:09 <stickster> it's all ryanlerch, I'm still a n00b
21:22:32 <ryanlerch> i'm interested in this one for sure
21:23:04 <stickster> #info ryanlerch and jflory7 will fight over the inkscape series... two Fedorans go in, only one comes out
21:23:13 <ryanlerch> lol :)
21:23:25 <ryanlerch> i may have a conflict of interest on this one ;)
21:23:57 <jflory7> ryanlerch: If you want this one, I think you're the most qualified to take it. I could always review it afterwards and make sure it all makes sense to a newbie like me. :)
21:25:02 * stickster waits with #action poised
21:25:13 <ryanlerch> yeah, happy to take it!
21:25:21 <jflory7> Perfect.
21:25:26 <jflory7> ryanlerch++
21:25:32 <ryanlerch> it might be good to create a better idea of the series
21:25:47 <stickster> #action ryanlerch review Inkscape Design your Imagination article and work with author to finalize for end of next week
21:25:55 <stickster> ryanlerch: yeah, strongly agree
21:25:57 <ryanlerch> there is a *lot* of things to cover, so keeping it bite-sized would be good
21:26:11 <stickster> We get into trouble when we have series "concepts" where most of the articles aren't done or at least outlined
21:26:24 <stickster> series is serious busienss
21:26:27 <stickster> hee hee
21:26:45 <jflory7> Agreed - I feel good that we have at least two so far, but if the first one could be split up further, even better.
21:26:56 <jflory7> I think 4-5 articles should be the "minimum" amount for a series
21:27:08 <jflory7> Or at least when it could be finished and closed out
21:27:12 <stickster> jflory7: +1
21:27:33 <stickster> and it would be nice to have at least that many outlined so someone else could pick up one if desired
21:28:11 <ryanlerch> okies, i will owrk this week on a outline
21:28:15 <stickster> ryanlerch++
21:28:34 <stickster> #action ryanlerch will outline additional articles so we have a rough idea of the series before we launch into it
21:29:04 <stickster> That's it for Pending Review
21:29:11 <stickster> #topic Drafts
21:29:13 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:30:26 <stickster> #info --- C99 support in gcc ---
21:30:30 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14646&preview=1&_ppp=84b6c12483
21:30:45 <stickster> wow, this one is thick
21:31:02 <stickster> I would really like to see the screenshots be just <pre> blocks
21:31:45 <stickster> Especially since the terminals shown are using a reeeeeeeally old theme that I guess the author is still in love with :-)
21:31:59 <jflory7> Yeah, that would be helpful
21:32:11 <jflory7> We covered this one last week too and had some feedback - I saw the author editing earlier today.
21:32:23 * jflory7 digs last week's minutes
21:32:34 <stickster> yeah, it's been updated today for sure
21:33:15 <ryanlerch> do we know anyone that could be a SME that can give us an idea on this one?
21:34:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: The only ones I know are probably too busy, but maybe I can ask my friend Matt
21:36:29 * stickster sends an email
21:36:45 <stickster> #action stickster contact mattn to see if he or a colleague can review C99 articlel
21:36:54 <jflory7> Sorry, momentary freeze there
21:37:08 <jflory7> Yeah, a technical review would be helpful. This one is tough for me to take a look at.
21:37:23 <stickster> I'm going to skip ahead by one and come back
21:37:30 <stickster> #info --- Kernel 4.9 merge window features ---
21:37:36 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14879&preview=1&_ppp=3633fcb84d
21:37:45 <stickster> This one I can almost guarantee will be close to ready to go
21:37:55 <stickster> and probably we'd want to get it out soon before it's out of date
21:38:08 <stickster> Like perhaps an extra on next Tuesday
21:38:26 <jflory7> Yep, we've been planning in advance for this one to go out next week.
21:38:38 <stickster> BRILLIANT
21:38:48 <jflory7> I don't know if labbott is done yet, but we definitely should keep this one in mind for next week
21:39:06 <jflory7> The big release is forthcoming very soon (if I recall) and we were going to ship it early next week
21:39:10 <jflory7> I like the sound of Tuesday
21:39:37 <stickster> jflory7: I just skimmed and it looks done... wraps up nicely at the end
21:40:02 <stickster> Some light style editing needed, just to make it slightly less dense, capitalize some stuff, etc.
21:40:06 <jflory7> Awesome. Can probably drop a ping with labbott in case she forgot to follow up on the list.
21:40:10 <stickster> I can take it tonight if desired
21:40:27 <jflory7> Whatever is easiest. :) I think it would be great as a target for Tuesday.
21:40:34 <jflory7> Compensate for a slower week this week...
21:41:05 <stickster> agreed
21:41:35 <stickster> #action stickster to edit labbott article on kernel 4.9 merge window for release next week
21:41:44 <jflory7> :100:
21:42:13 <stickster> #info --- F-🎂 in the house ---
21:42:29 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14904&preview=1&_ppp=57882f8743
21:43:32 <jflory7> Brian asked if this would be better on the CommBlog or the Magazine.
21:43:42 <jflory7> I told him that I thought the Magazine *would* be a better fit for this.
21:44:02 <stickster> I think this position is important enough that an article like this introducing a new leadership guy is relevant
21:44:03 <jflory7> Even though it's definitely in the community side of things, I think it's similar to some of the big updates that mattdm has done in the past with regards to the Council.
21:44:07 <jflory7> Yeah.
21:44:08 <stickster> jflory7: +1
21:44:17 <stickster> ryanlerch: what do you think?
21:44:18 <jflory7> Plus, these articles (traditionally, anyways) generate a lot of comments and discussion.
21:44:43 <jflory7> So even though it's not as much traffic on the community content we publish, I think this is one that's a good update to share with the broad Fedora contributor and user audience.
21:45:08 <ryanlerch> i think magazine is perfect for this
21:45:17 <stickster> #agreed good fit for the Magazine
21:45:21 <ryanlerch> the title might need some review though
21:45:37 <ryanlerch> my first thought was it was swearing at me
21:45:45 <stickster> ryanlerch: I admit I thought the same thing until I got the joke
21:45:47 <jflory7> As much as I love the title, that might be better in the article content. The emoji will kill SEO too, I think.
21:45:54 <stickster> oh good point jflory7
21:46:08 * stickster will start calling him "F-cake" from now on though
21:46:17 * ryanlerch still doesnt get the joke i think
21:46:29 <jflory7> FCAIC => F-"cake"
21:47:07 <stickster> <cartman_voice> Follow your dreams, you can reach your goals! F-CAKE! F-CAKE! </cartman_voice>
21:47:12 <jflory7> A play on pronunciation. :)
21:47:27 <ryanlerch> i get it now hehe
21:47:55 <stickster> jflory7: do you want to take this one?
21:48:04 <jflory7> Yeah, I would be happy to. :)
21:48:19 <stickster> OK
21:48:33 <stickster> I'm going to call "uncle" for articles and publishing then
21:48:43 <jflory7> I was about to say the *exact* same thing
21:48:46 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule for next week+
21:48:49 <jflory7> Last ten minutes would be good for hashing out the schedule.
21:48:50 <stickster> coolio :-)
21:48:57 <stickster> GET OUT OF MY HEAD
21:48:59 <ryanlerch> nice!
21:49:06 <stickster> :-D
21:49:06 <jflory7> ;-)
21:49:23 <stickster> So... I think we are hoping for Monday for RasPi
21:49:23 <jflory7> Call it if I'm wrong, but I'm seeing it sort of like this...
21:49:28 <stickster> oh, go jflory7 !
21:50:49 <jflory7> #proposed Friday: FreeOrion by cprofitt; Monday: Raspberry Pi announcement by pbrobinson; Tuesday: What's good in the kernel by labbott; Wednesday: Atom for Fedora by Anupama; Thursday: F-cake by bexelbie; Friday: Inkscape Pt. 1 by a2batic
21:50:56 <jflory7> So a *full* week
21:51:08 <stickster> WHOA COOL
21:51:14 <jflory7> But I think that would be good, and I think a lot of this is content that is time sensitive
21:51:14 <ryanlerch> nice!
21:51:21 <stickster> Also good to think about the fact that the draft pool will get smaller
21:51:28 <stickster> so we need to recruit for more articles too
21:51:33 <jflory7> I'm okay with shipping out content every day too because we have a lot of stuff in the Drafts that we could try to follow up on as well
21:51:35 <stickster> jflory7: I'm +10 that schedule fwiw
21:51:37 <stickster> agreed jflory7
21:51:43 <jflory7> There's some security ones, Python getting started guide, etc.
21:51:51 <ryanlerch> nice work stickster , jflory7!
21:51:54 <jflory7> I'd def like to spend more time circling back to these ones next week
21:52:21 <jflory7> stickster: We could use this temporary surplus in content to generate some new starter pitches.
21:52:29 <jflory7> I'm going to throw something else at all of you...
21:52:34 <stickster> yeah, good idea
21:52:47 <jflory7> #proposed Dedicate 15-20 minutes of the next meeting strictly on coming up with new starter pitches to share with the mailing list to attract new writers?
21:52:54 <stickster> I like it
21:53:08 <stickster> or we could even do that separately next week in #fedora-magazine
21:53:13 <stickster> either is fine with me fwiw
21:53:16 <jflory7> Yeah, totally not opposed.
21:53:53 <ryanlerch> jflory7: yeah, i think a less formal brainstorm mightr work well
21:54:07 <jflory7> Then I'm +1.
21:55:05 <ryanlerch> stickster: i noticed there were a few PRs in the magazine images repo
21:55:17 <stickster> ryanlerch: I kind of cleared them out
21:55:25 <ryanlerch> feel free to merge those straight away too
21:55:31 <stickster> ryanlerch: not sure it's kosher, I sort of did my own... because they were published already
21:55:42 <stickster> OK
21:55:43 * ryanlerch just uses PRs as a way to track new images
21:55:54 <stickster> yeah, we don't need to treat these as e.g. infra does
21:55:58 * jflory7 needs to get back on track with filing issues promptly for featured images and keep up with triaging
21:56:06 <stickster> where you want someone else's eyes on the commit before you deploy something that breaks
21:56:10 <jflory7> Okay, so if no objections, I'm going to finalize the above schedule
21:56:12 <ryanlerch> its a little more work workflow, but makes things a little eaiser to find later
21:56:16 <stickster> jflory7: agreed
21:56:19 <jflory7> #agreed Friday: FreeOrion by cprofitt; Monday: Raspberry Pi announcement by pbrobinson; Tuesday: What's good in the kernel by labbott; Wednesday: Atom for Fedora by Anupama; Thursday: F-cake by bexelbie; Friday: Inkscape Pt. 1 by a2batic
21:56:28 <ryanlerch> jflory7: sorry! i thought we were openfloor
21:56:31 <stickster> jflory7: did you want to take #action for filing featured image issues?
21:56:53 <jflory7> stickster: I was speaking generally, but yes, I can take care of filing featured image issues for tonight's meeting. :)
21:57:12 <jflory7> #action jflory7 File issues for all upcoming articles discussed in today's meeting in the fedoramagazine-images repository on Pagure
21:57:20 <stickster> oh yeah, I understood you right
21:57:24 <stickster> cool
21:57:28 <stickster> what a great meeting this was
21:57:32 <stickster> Anything else before we wrap up?
21:57:34 <jflory7> Yeah, definitely!
21:57:41 <jflory7> Oh, one more thing to get in minutes
21:58:02 <jflory7> #agreed Going to try to find some time to discuss new starter pitches for new writers sometime next week (will follow up with these at the next meeting)
21:58:04 <jflory7> eof
21:58:07 <jflory7> I'm all good!
21:58:21 <ryanlerch> .byebye ryanlerch
21:58:29 <stickster> hehe
21:58:37 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Adios! Enjoy the rest of your morning. :)
21:58:40 <stickster> OK then, it's a wrap -- thanks everyone!
21:58:43 <stickster> #endmeeting