21:01:40 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:01:43 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:01:47 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:01:51 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:01:52 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:02:16 <stickster> jwf: jwf|matrix: ryanlerch: ping
21:02:46 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
21:02:49 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:02:49 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
21:02:52 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:02:55 <stickster> o/ guys
21:02:59 <ryanlerch> morning linuxmodder stickster
21:03:45 <stickster> #chair jwf|matrix linuxmodder ryanlerch
21:03:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf|matrix linuxmodder ryanlerch stickster
21:04:17 <jwf|matrix> .hello jflory7
21:04:21 <zodbot> jwf|matrix: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
21:04:21 <jwf|matrix> Cell signal dropped, sorry.
21:04:33 <stickster> no worries!
21:04:43 <jwf|matrix> Here now. :)
21:04:44 <stickster> #topic Last week review (very quick)
21:05:16 <stickster> #info It was a good week, just over 57K page views
21:05:42 <ryanlerch> our average for march is looking good too!
21:06:00 <stickster> yep, we're not quite on target for our 3M page views, but close
21:06:05 <stickster> (for the year I mean)
21:06:25 <stickster> #topic Pending review
21:06:30 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=table
21:06:49 <ryanlerch> our daily average for march is currently 8006
21:06:54 <stickster> that's nice!
21:07:05 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
21:07:12 <ryanlerch> Feb was 7470, Jan was 7666
21:07:29 <stickster> #info --- NPAPI plugins in Firefox ---
21:07:37 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16892&preview=1&_ppp=9f33a40eb0
21:07:48 <stickster> #info stickster edited this earlier today, ready for an image
21:07:51 <jwf|matrix> Seems like we're maintaining the bar at least.
21:08:06 <jwf|matrix> Awesome!
21:09:08 <stickster> I can do one image tonight before I leave, tomorrow not sure what time I'll have
21:09:09 <jwf|matrix> If we were looking at this for Friday, I had a question for the publishing queue that would either affect tomorrow (Friday) or probably next Wednesday.
21:09:10 <jwf|matrix> Ahh, this might send late, cell signal keeps going in and out. :/
21:09:43 <stickster> jwf|matrix: Why don't you go ahead and we'll resolve it now so we can round out the schedule as we go... it's all good :-)
21:09:55 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: there really isnt anything lined up for today
21:10:17 <ryanlerch> the two i suggested on the list didnt really garner much action
21:10:18 <jwf|matrix> Okay, cool. Here's an idea I had and I wanted to get an opinion:
21:10:26 * stickster is totally open to pushing this today/Friday (down under time)
21:10:36 <ryanlerch> i whipped up the PDF one to fill the void on wednesday
21:10:58 <jwf|matrix> I'm attending Linux Weekend in Tirana, Albania this weekend, and there's going to be a decent Fedora presence there. I was wanting to do a post for the Fedora Magazine, but was trying to figure out the angle I wanted to go at it with.
21:11:19 <jwf|matrix> On one hand, I could put together a promo article for tomorrow announcing our presence and what talks are being given about Fedora.
21:11:20 <x3mboy> .fas x3mboy
21:11:21 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
21:12:03 <jwf|matrix> But I was also considering a more newsy write up about the event afterwards
21:12:10 <jwf|matrix> Keeping in mind the target audience on the Magazine
21:12:41 <jwf|matrix> I put together an article on OSDC from something this past weekend, and even though event report type posts don't perform well there too, this one is doing above average
21:12:51 <jwf|matrix> I think because of the way it was organized / presented
21:13:16 <jwf|matrix> I was mostly curious to what you all thought about which might be a more effective approach here because I was a little indecisive.
21:13:34 <jwf|matrix> #chair x3mboy
21:13:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf|matrix linuxmodder ryanlerch stickster x3mboy
21:13:39 <jwf|matrix> Hey x3mboy :)
21:13:51 <stickster> jwf|matrix: Can you describe that article a bit?
21:14:12 <linuxmodder> were we ever able to get a gsoc article out this week?
21:14:14 <x3mboy> IMHO event articles fit better on commops blog
21:14:32 <x3mboy> Hi jwf|matrix
21:14:36 <jwf|matrix> Yeah, one sec
21:15:04 <jwf|matrix> This is what I'm referring to: https://opensource.com/article/17/3/open-labs-48-hour-hackathon-albania
21:15:15 <x3mboy> Did you lost your nickname again???
21:15:15 <jwf|matrix> linuxmodder: Ah, yeah, this would also be a very, very timely thing to get out too
21:15:52 <jwf|matrix> This slipped my radar, but I think a GSoC article would be a great idea, if not for Friday, then for Monday.
21:16:13 <linuxmodder> bexelbie,  was game for a semi delayed to re-ignite inteerest which I'm also down with but let's not let it be forgotten if we are planning to do
21:17:00 <jwf|matrix> Kind of switching around topics here, but as for the Linux Weekend idea, I could go for the promotion for something tomorrow, or a more newsy write-up for Wednesday
21:17:23 <stickster> jwf|matrix: It feels like that article worked really well precisely due to the "open life" focus
21:17:43 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: Normally I'd agree, but I think it's possible to write an article covering an event in a specific way to an audience outside of the Fedora community depending on the approach.
21:18:14 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: Hah, no, didn't lose the nick, but using the Riot client from a bus terminal - no Internet connection for me to use on my laptop
21:18:25 <jwf|matrix> stickster: I'm inclined to think I could get that open life focus here too, albeit a little differently
21:18:45 <jwf|matrix> But I was thinking I could spin it a little more towards Fedora too and Fedora's role in this type of event and community.
21:18:45 <stickster> jwf|matrix: If the article was focused on user attendance, for instance... such as how users can find an event near them and learn more about how to use the distro... that might work
21:19:01 <jwf|matrix> stickster: Yeah, this is kind of what I was thinking.
21:19:08 <ryanlerch> stickster +1
21:19:19 <stickster> previously all the event articles have been focused on internal Fedora matters like Ambassadorial work or such... which is of course wonderful but not highly relevant to the Magazine audience
21:19:50 <jwf|matrix> I'd want to try to tell the story of how Fedora is the connector of open source and enabling people to have an influential role in their digital futures.
21:19:51 <stickster> a CTA that a reader can follow, without having to jump through a ton of hoops, would be a sensible focus IMHO
21:20:05 <jwf|matrix> Definitely a different angle from traditional Ambassador reporting
21:20:18 <linuxmodder> jwf|matrix,  if we still need one for gsoc by the weekend and nothing is ready ping me pls
21:20:28 <stickster> yeah, focusing on just one or two stories of actual people there, or maybe just a single CTA of "find an event near you"
21:20:52 <jwf|matrix> linuxmodder: Noted, will revisit GSoC in this meeting for sure, I had meant to bring that up originally too - - thanks for the reminder!
21:21:04 <jwf|matrix> stickster: nod
21:21:09 <linuxmodder> ack
21:21:09 <stickster> jwf|matrix: I think that would work... talking about the scope in advance def helps
21:21:15 <ryanlerch> stickster: jwf|matrix : i think that approach might work!
21:21:21 <jwf|matrix> So it seems like the post-event article might be the better approach?
21:21:25 <linuxmodder> I'm in about 3 repos making edits and such so ping me if you need something
21:21:42 <jwf|matrix> If so, we can aim this for Wednesday. I am confident I can deliver on that.
21:21:58 <stickster> *nod
21:22:13 <stickster> jwf|matrix: So with that in mind, should we return to the review stuff?
21:22:27 * stickster not impatient, just curious whether we're good
21:22:39 <jwf|matrix> Backup for Thursday, maybe, but I figured out a really good work flow this past weekend for putting an event article together, so I think Wednesday is reasonable.
21:22:50 <stickster> coolio
21:22:56 <jwf|matrix> stickster: +1! Sorry to have derailed a bit. :)
21:22:59 <stickster> not at all
21:23:21 <stickster> #agreed an audience-focused article from jwf|matrix makes sense, expected on Wed or Thu at latest
21:23:24 <linuxmodder> kinda last minute but realized today is world backup day  might wanna do something this week on backup options in fedora
21:23:25 <jwf|matrix> If the Mozilla plugin article already went through a pass by you, I'm okay to have that scheduled once we get an image.
21:23:52 <stickster> OK, I can whip up an image when done here
21:24:01 <stickster> #undo
21:24:01 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 21:23:21 : an audience-focused article from jwf|matrix makes sense, expected on Wed or Thu at latest
21:24:09 <jwf|matrix> Followup question for if we want Friday or Monday depends on if we can work on a GSoC article in time. I really think this should be a high priority for us, although it would help if we could borrow some insight from a GSoC admin to help craft it.
21:24:29 <stickster> #agreed an audience-focused article on the upcoming Albania event from jwf|matrix makes sense, expected on Wed or Thu at latest
21:24:41 <jwf|matrix> 👍
21:25:16 <x3mboy> 👏
21:25:37 <stickster> #action stickster whip up an image for Firefox/NPAPI article
21:25:49 <stickster> #info --- cloud-init + oVirt ---
21:26:00 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16429&preview=1&_ppp=a7c5e7dc5c
21:26:04 * jwf|matrix clicks
21:26:18 <stickster> #info stickster edited this earlier today too, ready for an image :-)
21:26:52 <stickster> I think it has one question pending from author to make sure I didn't mess anything up, but I think it's good to go. Should be a possibility for Monday
21:26:53 <x3mboy> That one is good, I read it while lunching and I like it a lot
21:27:28 <stickster> ryanlerch: would you be able to do a new image for this one? The existing one is pretty, but I looked at it at various sizes and it's hard to read when it scales to FB or G+ thumbnails
21:27:41 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure!
21:27:56 <stickster> #action ryanlerch make image for cloud-init + oVirt article
21:28:02 <stickster> OK, end of pending review!
21:28:03 <ryanlerch> this one also needs to make it clear about oVirt IMHO
21:28:35 <ryanlerch> i assume you do this procedure on an already set-up ovirt server, right?
21:28:57 <ryanlerch> i.e. it's not something you just do on your local machine?
21:29:29 <stickster> I believe you're correct ryanlerch -- you don't do like "dnf install ovirt" at the top :-)
21:30:19 <jwf|matrix> AFK for a moment
21:30:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: do you want to throw some text in there for that?
21:31:40 <ryanlerch> stickster: sure!
21:31:50 <ryanlerch> if we are thinking next week for this one
21:32:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: I was thinking Monday hopefully
21:32:43 <stickster> but we're really low on good articles
21:34:29 <ryanlerch> monday is doable for me!
21:34:35 <x3mboy> Nice
21:34:41 <stickster> cool
21:34:43 <stickster> thanks ryanlerch
21:34:51 <stickster> #topic Drafts
21:34:52 <ryanlerch> i can add the extra bit at the top and do the featured image
21:35:15 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:35:40 <stickster> Nothing here has been touched since last meeting 2 weeks ago :-(
21:35:49 <stickster> except a new Inkscape article by Ashutosh
21:36:52 <stickster> #info --- inkscape crop/clip ---
21:36:53 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=16913&preview=1&_ppp=5d4cf593ed
21:37:06 <stickster> This barely has any text or information with it :-(
21:38:03 <x3mboy> Yes, it has potencial, but is far to be done
21:38:05 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think if this was just to cover boolean ops, it might be a good next-step in the series
21:38:22 <stickster> ryanlerch: boolean ops = intersection, union, etc.?
21:38:51 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah! sorry -- went into inkscape mode there
21:38:51 <jwf|matrix> Would help to see a little more content there, or explaining of some of the steps along the way.
21:39:06 <ryanlerch> jwf|matrix: something like this? https://inkscapetutorials.org/2014/04/22/inkscape-faq-how-do-i-crop-in-inkscape/
21:39:07 <stickster> ryanlerch: no worries, just making sure I guessed right
21:39:35 <stickster> Hey, I know a guy who writes tutorials like that :-D
21:39:53 <jwf|matrix> ryanlerch++ exactly something along those lines.
21:39:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: but seriously, yes -- just explaining each operation and then showing an example or two would be great
21:40:46 <jwf|matrix> Bus here, AFK again
21:41:35 <stickster> doh
21:41:43 <stickster> ryanlerch: how should we handle this, y'think?
21:41:49 <ryanlerch> i'll respond to tthe list about this one
21:42:00 <stickster> We have Fri/Mon/Wed covered, so technically we're OK but Fri next week is bare
21:42:16 * stickster could try to find a short article to do for Friday to cover us
21:42:22 <ryanlerch> i might also suggest some other ideas for items in this series
21:42:59 <stickster> hey ryanlerch -- here's something. We got a comment on the pdf editing article: https://fedoramagazine.org/pdf-modification-tools-fedora/#comment-472364
21:43:16 <stickster> Maybe throwing a bunch of Starter Pitches in about helpful utilities would be good
21:43:20 <stickster> then we could farm those out
21:43:56 <jwf|matrix> stickster: ryanlerch we should push for GSoC next week.
21:44:06 <jwf|matrix> Would help to coordinate with bexelbie
21:44:21 <jwf|matrix> If he's not able, I can help put this together for Friday but it will stretch me a little thin
21:44:59 <stickster> jwf|matrix: are we asking him to write an article? something else?
21:45:35 <jwf|matrix> stickster: Ideally it would be helpful if Brian could put it together and we can help on editing. I'm not sure what his cycles are but u know he was aware of this too, from what I understand.
21:45:41 <jwf|matrix> * I know he
21:46:08 <stickster> I thought he was in meetings offsite this whole week and traveling, so I'm not sure we'll hear from him before next week
21:46:22 <stickster> I'll be happy to drop him an email. If he just drafts it in text, I can get it into the Magazine and ready to go
21:47:23 <jwf|matrix> Oh, ouch.
21:47:30 <jwf|matrix> Yeah, would definitely help to sync up with him about it.
21:48:10 <stickster> jwf|matrix: just emailed him
21:48:24 <stickster> probably will end up less sync and more async though :-)
21:48:39 <stickster> #topic All other business (AOB)
21:48:51 <stickster> #agreed a GSoC article would be useful
21:49:21 <stickster> #action stickster email bexelbie to see if he can provide a short article text, then help get it published
21:49:23 <jwf|matrix> stickster: Hahah, yeah, I can imagine. Hopefully we can get something for it
21:49:32 <ryanlerch> any ideas on more utility articles too!
21:49:43 <ryanlerch> the PDF one seemed to go down well
21:49:49 <stickster> #info --- ideas for utility articles ---
21:50:23 <stickster> #idea convert (ImageMagick)
21:50:28 <stickster> #idea mogrify (ImageMagick)
21:50:48 <ryanlerch> #PusleCaster
21:50:52 <x3mboy> We should include the hack of convert???
21:51:01 <jwf|matrix> I legitimately think ryanlerch's GIF script could be an article if he puts it in a git repo and calls it a project. :)
21:51:11 <jwf|matrix> I've made a few with it and had so many people ask me how I did it
21:51:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: flattery will get you NOWHERE sir
21:51:24 <stickster> :-D
21:51:37 <jwf|matrix> 😂
21:52:07 <ryanlerch> :)
21:52:13 <stickster> #idea tmuxinator  (as soon as I figure it out)
21:52:38 <jwf|matrix> #idea How to make GIFs in Fedora (with a polished version of ryanlerch's Python script?)
21:52:39 <jwf|matrix> Oops, lost cell signal again, hope this doesn't send too late
21:52:51 <stickster> nope, worked fine :-)
21:53:12 * stickster needs to come up with a quick script to dump ideas into WordPress using the API
21:53:39 <jwf|matrix> Heh, that would be helpful - think of something and run a script to bootstrap the article
21:53:44 <stickster> lol
21:53:51 <jwf|matrix> :P
21:54:17 <jwf|matrix> NEVER LOSE TRACK OF AN ARTICLE IDEA AGAIN!
21:55:02 <stickster> jwf|matrix: 8-O
21:55:18 <stickster> I just had a great idea... I had an MRI recently and I found an app in Fedora that let me read the results
21:55:50 <stickster> I'm going to think about writing that up... will put it in pitch now so I don't forget
21:55:54 <ryanlerch> a MRI? a Meal Ready to Ingest?
21:56:06 <stickster> ryanlerch: lol, precisely
21:56:11 * ryanlerch says sorry
21:56:29 <ryanlerch> stickster: that would be awesome actually!
21:57:07 <jwf|matrix> I remember reading the Twitter rant on that. Would be helpful to know how you figured it out, actually. 😊
21:57:20 <jwf|matrix> +1 to idea!
21:57:37 <x3mchat> Sorry, change my connection
21:58:23 <stickster> #action stickster enter pitch for aeskulap article (DONE)
21:58:37 <stickster> OK, anything else before we close up?
21:58:56 <x3mchat> Yes
21:58:59 <x3mchat> !
21:59:00 <stickster> go
21:59:02 <bowlofeggs> you could put MRI's into the new gnome recipes app
21:59:07 <x3mchat> 2 things
21:59:24 <x3mchat> He text editors articles is at pause
21:59:29 <linuxmodder> !
22:00:00 <linuxmodder> Respins SIG should have something in the coming weeks ( before bitcamp?)
22:00:03 <stickster> x3mchat: what do you need to happen for it to restart?
22:00:27 <x3mchat> Second, an ambassador is  putting together a book for begginers, I think is worth to be publicized
22:00:30 <stickster> linuxmodder: what are you thinking about?
22:01:04 <x3mchat> stickster, a little time to research
22:01:10 <stickster> x3mchat: before we pass around recommendations for a book, I'd want some technical review.  Many people have written books, and not all of them are reliable
22:01:14 <linuxmodder> A look into the respins sig and a quick look into how we make the respins kinda like the get started with qa article not too long ago
22:01:44 <stickster> x3mchat: if it's a book on a major publishing label, though, they probably have done that review, which would mean a lot toward an article :-)
22:01:56 <x3mchat> stickster, of course, agreed. I'm translating it to Spanish
22:02:05 <stickster> linuxmodder: So basically, how to do a respin like the Respins SIG does it?
22:02:20 <x3mchat> But from my phone is a little hard to navigate through pagure
22:02:28 <linuxmodder> stickster,  have a look: https://github.com/Fedora-Respins-SIG/Respins
22:02:46 <x3mchat> I will open an issue later to all of us give it a view
22:02:51 <linuxmodder> and how to do remix /customs yeah more or less
22:04:04 <stickster> linuxmodder: if we could keep the scope something like this, it would make sense: (1) introduce the Respin SIG; (2) explain the first section of that readme, i.e. how to make a respin; (3) short summary of what happens afterward; (4) invite people to be part of the community effot
22:04:33 <stickster> is there a respin guide or FAQ elsewhere already?
22:04:45 <stickster> that might make #2 less important
22:04:59 <linuxmodder> that was the logic I had but we all know I tend to go long and detailed if so would oyu be opposed to a SMALL  maybe 2 part series
22:05:15 <linuxmodder> working on that  stickster
22:05:35 <stickster> well, here's one more thing to think about... not putting same material in two places, esp. if only one is liable to change over time
22:05:36 <linuxmodder> if its too broad I can cx it and just let  the planet pick it up off my blog
22:06:38 <stickster> on more reflection... maybe just 1,3,4 makes sense and then you may not need to do two parts
22:06:57 <stickster> it would be a great addition to Magazine to talk about where the comm'ty respins come from
22:07:18 <stickster> I know they're advertised all over the place to avoid multiple update downloads
22:07:24 <linuxmodder> nm I'll just leave it on planet
22:07:44 <stickster> as you prefer
22:08:13 <linuxmodder> I'm jsut tired of everyone here thinking things are too technical or long for either the blog or mag  is all
22:08:24 <stickster> linuxmodder: that wasn't my point, please don't put words in my mouth.
22:08:27 <linuxmodder> and or opposed to a series so its bite size
22:08:28 <jwf|matrix> Bus moving and connection isn't stable. :( Not sure when this will send, but I'm going to head out for tonight. For now, I'm on the hook for Wednesday and work on getting it ready for then. Night all - thanks stickster as always for chairing. :)
22:08:29 <jwf|matrix> .thank stickster
22:08:29 <zodbot> jwf|matrix thinks stickster is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to stickster++ also)
22:08:59 <stickster> my point was specifically about whether it makes more sense to have a guide that survives longer and ages less poorly than a magazine article
22:09:02 <linuxmodder> stickster,  was a open statement from the whole team as I feel it not you or ryanlerch  or jwf|matrix  or anyone specifically
22:09:34 <stickster> OK, I'm done here.
22:09:42 <stickster> Thank you for coming, everyone!
22:09:44 <stickster> #endmeeting