21:00:00 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
21:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 15 21:00:00 2017 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:00:01 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:02 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:03 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:04 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:09 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:00:09 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:00:29 <stickster> ryanlerch: jwf: jhogarth: x3mboy[m]: cprofitt: hola/holla
21:00:35 <ryanlerch> Good morning stickster!
21:01:32 <stickster> Hiya ryanlerch
21:02:31 <jhogarth> .hello2
21:02:32 <zodbot> jhogarth: jhogarth 'James Hogarth' <james.hogarth@gmail.com>
21:03:39 <stickster> o/ jhogarth
21:03:50 <stickster> I guess, let's speed right along
21:03:56 <ryanlerch> morning jhogarth!
21:03:56 <stickster> #topic Last week in review
21:05:46 <stickster> Sorry guys, trying to wrap up elsewhere while doing this
21:06:02 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can do the stats!
21:06:36 <nb> .hello nb
21:06:37 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone>
21:06:38 <ryanlerch> Last Week (jun 5 - Jun 11) - 46,817
21:06:39 <stickster> #info 46.8K views last week, up vs week before!
21:06:44 <stickster> oops, thanks ryanlerch  :-D
21:07:05 <ryanlerch> This week so far: 31,939
21:07:21 <ryanlerch> Last weeks's average was 6,688/day
21:07:41 <ryanlerch> this week,s average so far is much better at 8424
21:08:04 <stickster> For sure!
21:08:22 <ryanlerch> Beta release helped us out a bit this week of course
21:08:53 <stickster> ryanlerch: I think we have one more article coming this week too -- HDYF from Charles
21:09:08 <ryanlerch> oh yeah! Fantastic!
21:09:54 <stickster> OK, moving on to articles then
21:09:59 <stickster> #topic Pending review
21:10:35 <stickster> #info --- HDYF ---
21:10:36 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17752&preview=1&_ppp=7ee2942d33
21:10:51 <stickster> I can do a quick edit on this one after the meeting
21:11:09 <stickster> #action stickster do quick edit pass and schedule for Friday 2017-Jun-16 as planned
21:11:30 <stickster> #info --- modularity testing ---
21:11:32 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17737&preview=1&_ppp=eecafeb80c
21:12:26 <stickster> So this one is very deep technically, which is not a problem for a Magazine article
21:13:04 <stickster> It's for developers, and we haven't had a good article like that in a whiel
21:13:26 <stickster> *while. but it could use some smoothing of the language... seems complete, just some normal ESL issues to iron out
21:13:39 <stickster> any volunteers?
21:13:41 <ryanlerch> yeah +1 for me
21:13:56 <ryanlerch> just not sure how it applies to Fedora Users, tbh
21:14:18 <ryanlerch> seems a little focussed to packagers
21:14:54 <jhogarth> It's not really packagers as such ... as Modularity hasn't really reached that area yet
21:14:55 <stickster> ryanlerch: I thought that at first, but it's more like it applies to our public audience who are developers -- because they can test their docker images, ISOs, etc. without regard to whether they're using any CI that's part of Fedora... it's an agnostic framework
21:15:19 <jhogarth> It is an interesting intriduction to one of the major "tech preview" bits of F26 though
21:15:38 <sub_pop[m][m]> i feel like the modularity part is kinda distracting from the test harness part
21:16:22 <sub_pop[m][m]> for example, i'm a packager. could i use this to test my packages? if so, how?
21:16:31 <jhogarth> maybe the author needs to pick a direction and then focus a little more ?
21:16:39 <stickster> o/ sub_pop[m][m] !  The thing I don't see here is where I get the basic module content from -- a reference to what that looks like would be good
21:17:13 <stickster> Like, it points to specific folders that one expects a module to have, but how do I, the reader, know what they are and what I should put in them? (Like a tests/ folder.)
21:17:38 <stickster> I think this is either missing some introductory material, or needs a reference to "how to make your first module"
21:17:54 <ryanlerch> stickster: outlining at the beginning how / why a "Developer", not specifically a fedora developer would use this
21:17:54 <stickster> langdon: ^^ in case you talk to phracek
21:18:01 <stickster> ryanlerch: yes, exactly
21:18:33 <stickster> So maybe let's hold on to this and is someone willing to contact phracek about it?
21:18:59 <sub_pop[m][m]> yea. i'm having trouble connecting these 3 files i'm supposed to create
21:19:01 * jhogarth gives a reminder AnsibleFest is next Thursday and his article will be ready for a Monday or Wednesday publication ... is working on it at the moment
21:19:18 <stickster> Also... I notice no email to the list about it, first I knew of it was this article. So it would be a good idea for Petr to follow the steps for authorship
21:19:30 <stickster> jhogarth: Good info, thanks! Looking forward to that
21:20:04 <ryanlerch> i can give this one a go, stickster
21:20:11 <stickster> ryanlerch: Okey dokey
21:20:21 <ryanlerch> might be good for me to learn a little bit more about all this stuff
21:20:33 <stickster> #action ryanlerch contact phracek about MTF article to see if it can be massaged into shape suitable for Magazine
21:20:52 <stickster> #topic Drafts
21:21:06 <stickster> #info --- controlling Windows with Ansible ---
21:21:19 <stickster> #info jhogarth is working on this, as he just pointed out... coming in next week hopefully
21:21:37 <stickster> #info --- Minishift ---
21:21:39 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17393&preview=1&_ppp=b9a134d8e4
21:21:59 <stickster> I had this on hold because of a problem I ran into, but it's since disappeared. So I think this article is probably good to go now.
21:22:28 <stickster> #idea Publish this Monday 2017-Jun-19?
21:23:39 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds good to me!
21:23:51 <sub_pop> i like it. looks well organized
21:23:51 <stickster> #agreed Publish this Monday 2017-Jun-19
21:24:04 <stickster> yeah, I already ran through an edit on it last week
21:24:09 <stickster> it was a good article!
21:24:10 <ryanlerch> stickster++ for editing this one
21:24:24 <ryanlerch> jhogarth++ for Ansible article
21:25:10 <stickster> #info --- Improving images in GIMP ---
21:25:21 <stickster> ryanlerch: can you throw the #link in for public preview?
21:26:42 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17661&preview=1&_ppp=4964c06770
21:27:06 <stickster> Coolio...  so... this looks like just getting started. Was someone in touch with this author already?
21:27:27 <ryanlerch> stickster: this is the first i have heard of this one
21:27:44 <stickster> I like the idea but don't know who pams1234 is
21:28:13 <stickster> Pamir Sujan
21:28:33 <stickster> ryanlerch: what do you think we should do about this one?
21:28:40 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah we also don't have any other GIMP stuff on the magazine, and this is also a topic where there is already a lot of content elsewhere on the internet
21:29:34 <sub_pop> maybe we need to start with a "Getting started with GIMP"? like we have a series of inkscape articles?
21:29:53 <stickster> we've had several people propose those but no one actually delivering them :-(
21:30:55 <sub_pop> :(
21:31:00 <stickster> I think the ones that are successful are something like... "Make your photo look old-timey with GIMP"... or "Turn your headshot into a cartoon character with GIMP"... etc.
21:31:08 <ryanlerch> yeah, TBH it might be a neater article if we get them to do this artile, but with GNOME Photos
21:31:11 <stickster> in other words, purpose focus
21:31:25 <ryanlerch> iirc, levels and other stuff was added recently
21:31:29 <ryanlerch> to GNOME Photos
21:31:33 <stickster> whoa, I didn't know that! Cool
21:31:38 <ryanlerch> i think
21:31:51 <sub_pop> or was that shotwell?
21:32:42 <ryanlerch> https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.24/
21:33:50 <ryanlerch> IMHO, GIMP is super complicated, and not sure how much value abovewhat tutorials already exist we can add on this topic
21:34:01 <ryanlerch> it turns into a bit of a rabbit hole
21:34:03 <stickster> yeah, you're probably right.
21:34:05 <sub_pop> Ah yea. Also showcases Cool New Feature in F26
21:34:28 <ryanlerch> aiming towards the simple editing tools in GNOME Photos might be a good deflection
21:34:34 <stickster> sub_pop: would you be interested to contact the author and see if they would refocus on doing this with GNOME Photos?
21:34:43 <sub_pop> sure.
21:35:05 <stickster> cool... and if not, maybe that's something you'd be comfortable writing... best case is we add a brand new author for this one, though
21:35:26 <sub_pop> i'm looking for a reason to upgrade to Beta lol
21:35:39 <stickster> #action sub_pop contact pams1234 to try to refocus article, and encourage to follow steps at https://fedoramagazine.org/writing-an-article-for-the-fedora-magazine/
21:36:29 <stickster> I fear everything else is dated. I move to eject everything older than 2017-05-01 to the trash bin or holding pen
21:37:08 <ryanlerch> +1 from me
21:37:23 <stickster> I think x3mboy[m] was still working on text editor articles, but he doesn't need the old "war of editors" post here either
21:37:30 <sub_pop> i have some notes written up on the games spin draft, so don't bin that one yet.
21:37:36 <sub_pop> i'm still collecting experiences for that one.
21:38:56 <stickster> sub_pop: I think I just moved it to Starter Pitches -- it's still active!
21:39:11 <sub_pop> d-(^_^)-b
21:39:16 <stickster> #action stickster move other articles not mentioned above and older than May 1 to trash or holding pen as appropriate
21:39:50 <stickster> adamw: Are you around?
21:39:57 <stickster> #topic Pitches
21:40:16 <stickster> #info --- PSA on libdb ---
21:40:18 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17725&preview=1&_ppp=958bab9fd6
21:41:15 <adamw> stickster: i am
21:41:16 <adamw> what's up
21:41:29 <sub_pop> the code snippets look funny. is that a preview quirk?
21:41:30 <stickster> adamw: Is this PSA still accurate and wanted for publishing?
21:41:36 <adamw> yes and yes
21:41:48 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: there are code tags in pre tags there
21:41:50 <adamw> sub_pop: the extra indentation?
21:41:57 <adamw> if anyone wants to fix any formatting issues, please do...
21:42:03 <ryanlerch> we just need to remove the codes
21:42:16 * adamw uses different editor plugins on his own wp
21:42:16 <sub_pop> no, they had white background fills around the text within the black code box. but reloading the page made it go away.
21:42:23 <sub_pop> must be CSS caching
21:42:54 * ryanlerch guesses stickster may have fixed them
21:42:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: since this is time sensitive... what if we swap publishing schedule? Put this out tomorrow, HDYF on Monday, and the Minishift article on Wed?
21:43:03 <stickster> sub_pop: ryanlerch: I think I fixed them
21:43:07 <adamw> yeah, it'd be appreciated to send this out asap
21:43:13 <stickster> adamw: fer sher
21:43:21 <ryanlerch> stickster++
21:43:33 <stickster> #action stickster finish any format polishing immediately after meeting
21:43:40 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image and schedule
21:43:44 <stickster> sound good?
21:43:45 <ryanlerch> might be good to add an example of the errors too
21:43:54 <ryanlerch> that is what people websearch for
21:44:48 <stickster> adamw: ^ do you have access to those? would it be a PITA to recreate and grab them?
21:45:07 <ryanlerch> stickster: on schedule, we also have jhogarth's Ansible one to schedule too
21:45:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: Oh yes! We could easily do that Tues or Wed
21:45:26 <jhogarth> wednesday would be best for that
21:45:29 <jhogarth> or tues
21:45:50 <stickster> jhogarth: ryanlerch: What if we set Minishift for Fri, and if something goes haywire we move it in
21:45:58 <jhogarth> ansiblefest itself is the thurs
21:46:11 <stickster> jhogarth: and you're trying to send your article out ahead of that, correct?
21:46:19 <jhogarth> bingo
21:46:40 <ryanlerch> stickster: IMHO, lets leave the HDYF as today, and just pust adamw 's out too
21:46:49 <stickster> Hey, I forgot a cookie for everyone's favorite QA mastermonkey
21:46:49 <ryanlerch> its's a newsy post anyway
21:46:52 <stickster> adamw++
21:46:56 <ryanlerch> adamw++
21:47:00 <stickster> hey, what gives
21:47:02 <stickster> adamwill++
21:47:15 <stickster> zodbot: wake up you bastard
21:47:28 <stickster> I'M TRYING TO GIVE OUT COOKIES HERE!!!!
21:47:33 <sub_pop> lol
21:47:50 <ryanlerch> stickster: ping
21:47:51 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings
21:47:54 <stickster> *sigh. My week in a nutshell. Anyhoo -- ryanlerch, sure we can do that
21:48:01 <stickster> lol
21:48:03 <ryanlerch> oh, still awake for that
21:48:34 <ryanlerch> there is also the gthumb article we could do on Friday
21:48:39 <stickster> OK, so we have HDYF + libdb PSA tomorrow (Friday)... Minishift on Monday... Windows+Ansible on Wednesday...
21:48:43 <ryanlerch> it is *fantastic*
21:48:55 <stickster> and yes! I was just getting to this, the gThumb article ought to be in Pending Review, it's greatr
21:49:08 <stickster> +1 on gThumb on Friday
21:49:14 <stickster> That means we now have a schedule :-)
21:50:01 <stickster> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Jun 16 - HDYF + libdb PSA... Mon Jun 19 - Minishift... Wed Jun 21 - Windows/Ansible... Fri Jun 23 - gThumb
21:50:02 <ryanlerch> woo!
21:50:06 <stickster> oops
21:50:08 <stickster> #undo
21:50:08 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 21:50:01 : PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Jun 16 - HDYF + libdb PSA... Mon Jun 19 - Minishift... Wed Jun 21 - Windows/Ansible... Fri Jun 23 - gThumb
21:50:13 <stickster> #idea PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Jun 16 - HDYF + libdb PSA... Mon Jun 19 - Minishift... Wed Jun 21 - Windows/Ansible... Fri Jun 23 - gThumb
21:50:21 <stickster> sound good?
21:50:28 <jhogarth> stickster++
21:50:38 <stickster> sub_pop++ jhogarth++
21:51:03 <stickster> I must have already cookied everyone
21:51:17 <sub_pop> +1
21:51:23 <ryanlerch> +1
21:51:50 * stickster makes note to submit patch that gives him unlimited cookie power and then force his minions to accept it.... NOT
21:52:01 <stickster> also, I have no minions, so there's that
21:52:15 <stickster> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Jun 16 - HDYF + libdb PSA... Mon Jun 19 - Minishift... Wed Jun 21 - Windows/Ansible... Fri Jun 23 - gThumb
21:52:17 <sub_pop> maybe a patch to fix the cookie handout though :(
21:52:22 <stickster> Okey doke, now we're good :-)
21:52:36 <ryanlerch> thanks for chairing stickster
21:52:36 <stickster> it only lets you give one cookie per release to each person
21:52:39 <ryanlerch> as always
21:52:43 <stickster> #topic All other business
21:52:47 <stickster> Anything else before we close up shop?
21:53:00 * stickster holds door for 60 sec
21:53:05 <ryanlerch> i dont think there are any other open pitches
21:53:34 * ryanlerch notes the gthumb article is a new author, so i will email the list
21:53:40 <ryanlerch> about that post being accepted
21:53:43 <stickster> ryanlerch: Oh hey -- we have an article on Atomic lifecycle changes
21:53:58 <stickster> We could put that out as an extra next Tue or Thu
21:54:31 <stickster> it's ostensibly a PSA too, aimed at the general public
21:54:36 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17670&preview=true
21:55:01 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1 for me on this too
21:55:46 <stickster> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Jun 16 - HDYF + libdb PSA... Mon Jun 19 - Minishift... Tue Jun 20 - Atomic lifecycle PSA... Wed Jun 21 - Windows/Ansible... Fri Jun 23 - gThumb
21:56:11 <stickster> OK, so with that it's off to the races! We can return to #fedora-magazine now. Thanks for coming, everyone :-)
21:56:16 <stickster> #endmeeting