21:00:11 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:11 Meeting started Thu Jul 20 21:00:11 2017 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:11 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:14 #meetingname magazine 21:00:14 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:18 #topic Roll call 21:00:19 .hello jflory7 21:00:20 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:00:21 .hello pfrields 21:00:23 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:00:35 #chair jwf ryanlerch 21:00:35 Current chairs: jwf ryanlerch stickster 21:00:37 hello 21:00:52 .hello ryanlerch 21:00:53 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' 21:00:58 * jwf waves to all 21:01:03 kdiegorsantos: Hello, welcome! :) 21:01:32 nice to meet you guys 21:01:58 Aloha everyone 21:02:22 .hello linkdupont 21:02:23 link___: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' 21:03:04 Hi all 21:03:07 #topic Last week's stats 21:03:10 kthebyrd: Hiya! Saw the DoD smartcard article go out, very nice! 21:03:19 polari refuses to change my nickname. sorry 21:03:37 Thanks! 21:03:37 #info Last week's pageviews went down to a more normal 48,420 21:04:10 The goal we really need to hit is to get the month of July 2017 past the 300K mark, which would make it the most viewed month ever 21:04:35 Pretty sure we can do that, but ideally we should try to hit 350K 21:04:58 stickster: ooh 350K would be awesome 21:05:09 what are we at now for the month? 21:05:20 we are currently sitting on 260Kish 21:05:39 last record month was november 2016 with 297K 21:05:49 To hit that target we should try to get as much content out as possible 21:06:01 stickster: agreed! 21:06:03 i.e. see if we can hit 4-5 days a week for the next couple weeks :-) 21:06:13 I think it's doable! 21:06:20 I have a simple article in pending review 21:06:21 https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18109&preview=1&_ppp=1c3ffd13e5 21:06:24 There's a Modularity post coming when their preview release is ready 21:06:27 i remember we had that article idea about doing image edits in gnome-photos. i might try to bang that one out 21:06:32 about How to use the same SSH key pair in all AWS regions 21:06:39 Seems doable if we can keep the pace… 21:06:55 kdiegorsantos: Awesome! We will get to this in just a minute, we go through pending review articles, then drafts, then pitches. :) 21:07:11 yup, right on 21:07:36 Let's hit it and see how many we can plow through 21:07:38 link___: I see that as a good topic too, a tool that any basic Fedora user likely knows but maybe didn't know how to use it to its fullest. 21:07:40 +1 21:07:54 #agreed try to get to 4-5 posts a week in home stretch to hit 350K views in July 2017 21:08:03 #topic Pending review 21:08:14 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending 21:08:43 #info --- same SSH keypair in multiple AWS regions --- 21:08:46 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18109&preview=true 21:09:31 It might be nice to flesh out the intro just a teeny-tiny bit more, just a sentence or two on what happens by default, vs. sharing a keypair... really that's just touch up, any editor should be able to add that text too 21:10:01 nice 21:10:23 Yeah, I was going to suggest the same. Maybe some context about why someone would want to do that (e.g. even explaining "you won't have to sync an SSH key to all of your servers each time") 21:10:49 or, are there specific operations that get easier as a result, like deployments, etc.? 21:11:17 I like the topic, though. :) A nice short and sweet one. 21:11:29 kdiegorsantos: is that something you can add in? Don't be afraid to take several sentences to explain the value. That's important. 21:11:45 * stickster is +1 on the article, will be easy to edit and looks good 21:12:01 ok, I will do that, if someone help will be nice too 21:13:35 kdiegorsantos: If you want any feedback after making edits, you can always find us in #fedora-magazine. :) 21:13:36 kdiegorsantos: Are you in that article right now? 21:13:56 #action kdiegorsantos finish making some introduction material on this article 21:14:21 ok, thanks 21:14:47 stickster: I am 21:15:53 #action stickster edit AWS article, make image, and push when done 21:16:03 i can do the featured image for this one 21:16:06 #undo 21:16:06 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:15:53 : stickster edit AWS article, make image, and push when done 21:16:08 haha 21:16:15 #action stickster edit AWS article 21:16:30 #action ryanlerch do featured image for AWS article and schedule for Monday 2017-07-24 21:16:53 if it's done earlier, no reason not to push tomorrow but I don't want to assume kdiegorsantos will get done right away 21:17:05 Let's look at drafts and we can solidify schedule afterward.[ 21:17:08 #topic Drafts 21:17:13 stickster: will do the featured image today 21:17:15 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 21:17:18 coolio 21:17:38 sub_pop++ for the new backups part 3!!! 21:17:50 #info --- Backups part 3 --- 21:17:56 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18192&preview=true 21:18:18 yey 21:18:35 Ooohhh, ryanlerch, **now** I see those new blockquotes 21:18:38 Those are nice 21:18:45 SUPER NICE! 21:18:46 ryanlerch++ 21:19:02 * stickster airmails a cookie since zodbot is not helping 21:19:20 i realized i didn't add a "Restoring files" section. I need to add that tonight. 21:19:23 thanks for the biscuits! 21:19:33 no problem sub_pop_ 21:19:43 sub_pop++ This looks awesome! 21:19:48 ryanlerch++ on the theme for sure 21:19:55 jwf: can you take editing on this one? 21:20:10 omg this is awesome 21:20:14 When are we thinking of shipping this, Tuesday or Wednesday? 21:20:21 sub_pop++ 21:20:21 ryanlerch: Karma for linkdupont changed to 3 (for the f26 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:20:35 jwf: Sure, let's say "next week" 21:20:44 stickster: Yeah, def. Sign me up. :) 21:20:55 the other two went out on the past two mondays. 21:21:24 let's keep the schedule hazy for the moment, we'll decide days at the end 21:21:28 * jwf nods 21:21:29 sure sure 21:21:42 but sub_pop_ writing is notoriously easy to edit and get ready 21:21:52 so should be a snap for finishing touchese 21:21:53 \o/ 21:22:00 #action jwf Edit and review "Easy backups with Déjà Dup" for next week 21:22:02 "touchese?" Like, cheesy. 21:22:15 I think ryanlerch already has a featured image template for this, right? 21:22:21 sub_pop_ also did a couple featured images for this 21:22:22 s/this/this series 21:22:26 did anyone see the links he posted? 21:22:27 i did a couple yea. 21:22:36 Oh, super cool! No, I haven't seen those yet. 21:22:48 sub_pop_: yeah i think the second one is a go! 21:22:53 I liked this one the best because it uses the GNOMEy safe 21:22:57 ryanlerch: +1 21:23:00 https://fedorapeople.org/~linkdupont/images/backing-up-3-deja-dup-alt.jpg 21:23:02 the one in the smae style as the others 21:23:10 +1 for that featured image 21:23:19 Wow, nice! 21:23:21 sub_pop++ 21:23:22 Might need the text centered in alignment on the drawing sub_pop_ 21:23:23 yea. that's Deja-dup's icon 21:23:24 Looks cool to me! 21:23:34 sub_pop: My only suggestion might be bigger text for the image, but this looks awesome 21:23:50 sub_pop_: the only idea i had was to make the safe an outline 21:24:07 i did this with the nautilus logo for the nautilis posts 21:24:14 yea. i can see that. did you draw those glyphs yourself? 21:24:15 but happy with it as -is 21:24:30 #action ryanlerch sub_pop_ work together on anything needed for featured image 21:24:41 i can try making an outline-shape. i'm still finding my way around inkscape 21:24:48 sub_pop_: you can submit the SVG when done as a pull-request on the images repo 21:24:51 k 21:25:02 sub_pop_: are you able to open a PR for it in the fedora-magazineimages repo? 21:25:05 if you're not conversant with that, you can always email it to me or Ryan and we'll git er done for you 21:25:15 haha, double teaming, /me shuts up 21:25:16 probably. i can fork and do a PR i assume, right? 21:25:25 disco 21:25:34 sub_pop_: yes please! 21:25:58 cool ok. i'll try drawing an outline glyph 21:25:58 #info --- Boltron/F26 Modularity preview --- 21:26:01 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18154&preview=true 21:26:05 #info Fedora Magazine images repo https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images 21:26:36 #info Modularity article is on hold pending the release, but is ready to push Publish whenever that happens... waiting on langdon to tell us when 21:26:55 #info --- Kernel config options --- 21:27:00 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18056&preview=true 21:27:12 This one is ready (I already edited); just needs a featured image 21:27:18 labbott++ 21:27:18 stickster: Karma for labbott changed to 1 (for the f26 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:27:32 langdon++ labbott++ 21:27:32 ryanlerch: Karma for langdon changed to 1 (for the f26 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:27:35 ryanlerch: Karma for labbott changed to 2 (for the f26 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:27:41 COOKIE PARTY 21:27:59 stickster: i can do featured image 21:28:09 ryanlerch: OK, I won't stop you :-D 21:28:23 #action ryanlerch make featured image for kernel config article 21:28:57 jwf: is it still the case that we are holding off on the CoreOS/Tectonic articles? 21:29:30 labbott++ as always for the super cool kernel articles :) 21:29:30 jwf: Karma for labbott changed to 3 (for the f26 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:29:37 stickster: Hmm, well… 21:30:38 I haven't heard back from dustymabe yet, but I am still hesitant on mixing too much with OpenShift for the series. I think I'd almost rather try experimenting with OpenShift in my free time and putting together a separate article once I'm more familiar with the tech 21:31:19 For the immediate sense of these articles, I think that that they're still good to go 21:31:33 I **do** need to make some minor revisions to pt. 3, but just small changes 21:31:44 stickster, ryanlerch we actually have the release out now.. but want to hold the announcement til a) the mirrors sync b) its a day people may read it.. plan to discuss with mattdm tomorrow 21:32:10 gotta take off.. but i thought i could provide a drive by :) 21:32:22 langdon: thanks, keep in touch 21:32:27 let us know outcome 21:32:44 stickster, will do.. as soon as we have a plan.. also interested in feedback 21:33:32 jwf: OK. On the one hand, I'm "meh" about promoting technologies that might be seen as alternatives to things being built by Fedora colleagues (and also our RH sponsors) 21:34:23 langdon: note there are are still a FIXME in the boltorn post 21:34:24 jwf: On the other hand, I don't want to hold indefinitely for assistance on articles written by volunteer contributors, where people are already interested in certain technologies and just want to use Fedora to try them 21:35:19 jwf: in particular, walters was offering some assistance in the area of cloud/containers, did you get any chance to talk to him? 21:36:19 stickster: I was thinking about this and the thing I was most concerned about was with regards to Fedora Atomic, since it wouldn't make much sense to advertise something else where Atomic could fit that use case. However, I'm not sure the topics I'm covering were explicitly something where Atomic would be a drop-in replacement. The main competitive point is OpenShift, but it's also a different use case than vanilla k8s. 21:36:55 Admittedly, I'm still a little shallow on some of the Atomic knowledge, but I think it's a different use case here. I'm wanting to explore that a bit now and hopefully do a follow-up in August or September 21:37:17 stickster: I did get to talk with walters a bit and he gave me some suggestions on places to jump into Atomic. 21:38:08 As the author, I think I'm a little biased, so I'm most curious to know whether you both think this is something that will click with FM readers 21:38:09 is there an article opportunity here demystifying k8s, CoreOS, Atomic, openshift, etc? how they differ and how they all fit together? 21:38:26 .hello nb 21:38:27 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 21:38:36 sub_pop_, I think that would be a great idea 21:38:44 sub_pop: That's been my idea for a follow-up article is trying to differentiate between some of these :) 21:38:45 * nb gets confused about all of the cloud jargon 21:38:53 sub_pop_++ 21:38:55 The challenge is to be neutral, I suppose, at least with Fedora technology 21:39:22 I feel like Openshift covers a lot of what CoreOS Tectonic seems to -- console, monitoring, installing, etc. 21:39:22 That's what I was wrestling with, but was going to decide a bit after some more self-education 21:39:33 well, the article doesn't need to push or recommend any over the others. just explaining what they are and what they attempt to solve would be helpful 21:39:44 stickster: Yeah, that's my understanding too 21:39:44 to me anyway. *waves cane at kids on lawn* 21:39:58 sub_pop_: Right, but as the voice of the project, the stuff we publish can easily be seen as "what we're pushing" 21:40:00 I think CoreOS Container Linux would be the closest equivalent to Project Atomic 21:40:23 But even then, with Tectonic, you can definitely use CentOS / RHEL / probably Atomic with it too instead of Container Linux. 21:40:34 * stickster finally got a chance to drive OpenShift around the block the other day and it seems like the kubernetes thing we should be talking about 21:41:05 +1 with kubernetes 21:41:09 hm. does Fedora ship a kubernetes RPM? 21:41:24 of course :-) 21:41:40 if it does, is that enough to say "here's how you can use $PACKAGE to achieve $GOAL"? 21:41:43 we also ship OpenShift Origin ('origin' package) 21:41:48 stickster: There are some fundamental differences between k8s and OpenShift that might make it a better fit for different people based on their needs. OpenShift bakes in little bit more than Kubernetes from my understanding. 21:42:13 and Red Hat funds a lot of OpenShift development, right? 21:42:14 My understanding was OpenShift is built around kubernetes, not competing with it 21:42:21 https://www.openshift.com/ 21:42:31 "OpenShift includes Kubernetes for container orchestration and management. OpenShift adds developer and operations-centric tools that enable: 21:42:34 Rapid application development 21:42:36 Easy deployment and scaling 21:42:39 Long-term life-cycle maintenance for teams and applications" 21:42:51 That sounds *really* coincident with CoreOS Tectonic to me 21:43:26 i think the fact that we're *trying* to decipher the differences is enough to warrant an article that does that :) 21:43:35 Yeah, fair 21:43:48 sub_pop_: fair point 21:44:01 What I was getting at a bit ago is that I'd be more comfortable doing something like Kubernetes v. OpenShift because it would be easier to be neutral with that, I feel 21:44:10 As compared to Container Linux v. Project Atomic 21:44:27 maybe that's a good next step -- part 3 is about abstracting away the kubernetes part and showing how to use OpenShift for that next level of automation 21:44:43 there's a "minishift" as I understand it that you can use to run it locally on a workstation/laptop 21:45:01 jwf: yea i can see that. that keeps a limited scope for the article too 21:45:03 anyway, I didn't mean to grind on this for too long 21:45:07 stickster: If we went that route, I'd definitely want to do a new series though, instead of mixing it into the k8s series 21:45:11 *nod 21:45:18 * jwf nods to sub_pop 21:45:37 sub_pop: Might be good as a one-off article, perhaps 21:45:44 jwf: I guess the Tectonic thing is the part that seems iffy to me, given it's directly in the scope of what Openshift is trying to do 21:45:50 yea. or even an article that grows into a multi-parter 21:46:08 Guess I do have a lot more homework to do on this. 21:46:28 jwf: maybe there's a way to wind up this series with a k8s-centric article that doesn't get into that part 21:46:35 I can look into it more over the weekend and try to put an update to the list next week. 21:46:40 stickster: That's sort of what I'm thinking too 21:46:45 then follow it up with a different multi-part series on the "next level up the stack" 21:47:29 yea, i'm +1 for that 21:48:05 #agreed jwf will think about a way to close out k8s series with a k8s-centric article; then we'll figure out another further series to show the next level of automation/control/orchestration 21:48:13 OK, fair to move on? 21:48:20 +1 :) 21:48:26 +1 ! 21:49:16 We have a couple new pitches in here from shivkumar 21:49:30 * jwf needs to jump away for a few minutes, hopefully will be back before meeting close 21:49:38 thanks jwf, we'll be here 21:50:31 #topic Pitches 21:50:52 I don't recall seeing these in the mailing list, but *shruggie* 21:51:06 #info --- what is Docker --- 21:51:08 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=18010&preview=true 21:51:31 There's some stuff in here that is clearly inaccurate 21:51:39 Hm, does that have a Fedora tie-in? 21:52:17 this solutions use gnu parallel and fedora to do the magic 21:52:23 disco 21:53:02 parallel rsync using fedora, something like that 21:53:05 ryanlerch: regarding this Docker article... I'm not super-chuffed about it. Here's an example: "The Project Atomic is upstream of project Docker." 21:53:09 huh? 21:54:01 the normal way to copy and delete files is serial 21:54:12 there is a package on fedora called gnu parallel 21:54:26 using this tool you can do parallel copy/delete/rsync operations 21:54:39 yeah, a -1 from be here 21:54:48 on the what is docker 21:54:55 -1 on the Docker article. 21:55:00 e.g. find . -type f | parallel rsync -av {} /mnt 21:55:12 it's kind of a shotgun mess, and doesn't seem to explain well. 21:56:08 #agreed -1 on Docker article pitch (-1: 2, 0: 0, +1: 0) 21:56:45 kdiegorsantos: I think your idea sounds interesting -- can we get close to the length of your SSH keys article? 21:57:06 yes 21:57:06 if it's *too* tightly focused, it might not be as interesting to readers 21:57:10 cool 21:57:16 i feel like a general article about parallel might be nice 21:57:17 I will write in the same way 21:57:17 ryanlerch: what do you think? I'm +1 for kdiegorsantos 21:57:25 stickster: yeah +1 from me 21:57:28 and using it to speed up AWS operations is one great practical example 21:57:43 #agreed +1 on AWS EFS speedup article from kdiegorsantos 21:57:46 agree +1 sub_pop_ 21:57:47 #undo 21:57:47 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 21:57:43 : +1 on AWS EFS speedup article from kdiegorsantos 21:57:56 #agreed +1 on AWS EFS speedup article from kdiegorsantos (+1: 2, 0: 0, -1: 0) 21:58:08 something like batch resizing of photos could be sped up using it too 21:58:09 OK, we need to sort out publishing now 21:58:16 #topic Publishing schedule 21:58:48 Right now we've got: Boltron, kernel config, backups part 3, SSH-AWS 21:58:56 Do we have anything for tomorrow? 21:59:39 stickster: we werer waiting on a HDYF, iirc 21:59:54 ah yes, cprofitt was vague on when but I know he's working on one 21:59:58 (probably several) 22:00:35 * jwf is here 22:01:12 ryanlerch: what about kernel config tomorrow (er, today your time); Backups pt 3 Monday; Boltron probably Tue (I'm guessing, that's a better PR day than Monday); SSH-AWS Wednesday; and I'll see if I can scramble something up this weekend for a Thu/Fri surprise 22:01:20 jwf: ^ 22:01:31 Yeah, was typing the same 22:01:33 +1 22:01:34 lol 22:01:43 WE SHARE BRAAAAAINZ 22:01:43 stickster: for sure, i can do the kernel image today ready 22:01:51 stickster: Definitely not a new trend ;) 22:02:16 kernel images are pretty much just text and tux 22:03:01 Has a nice ring to it… "text-n-tux" 22:03:17 Anyways, I think this schedule sounds good to me. We can follow up for the Boltron announcement on Monday 22:03:22 Sounds like it should be ready by then 22:03:25 #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri July 21 - kernel config (ryanlerch); Mon July 24 - Backups part 3 (ryanlerch/sub_pop); Tue July 25 - Boltron (TBD) (pfrields); Wed July 26 - SSH-AWS (ryanlerch); Thu/Fri July 27/28 TBD (pfrields) 22:03:43 Oh, I think you meant me for Monday instead of ryanlerch? 22:03:49 whoops! 22:03:50 #undo 22:03:51 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 22:03:25 : PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri July 21 - kernel config (ryanlerch); Mon July 24 - Backups part 3 (ryanlerch/sub_pop); Tue July 25 - Boltron (TBD) (pfrields); Wed July 26 - SSH-AWS (ryanlerch); Thu/Fri July 27/28 TBD (pfrields) 22:04:01 #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri July 21 - kernel config (ryanlerch); Mon July 24 - Backups part 3 (jwf/sub_pop); Tue July 25 - Boltron (TBD) (pfrields); Wed July 26 - SSH-AWS (ryanlerch); Thu/Fri July 27/28 TBD (pfrields) 22:04:09 there we go 22:04:10 :100: 22:04:13 \o/ 22:04:14 Sounds good to me! 22:04:21 OK folks, I'm going to run and get some din-din 22:04:27 okies! 22:04:43 * jwf is about ready for the same 22:04:45 Thank you kdiegorsantos sub_pop jwf ryanlerch nb for coming! 22:04:49 #endmeeting